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wrad
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2013-Aug-19 9:02 am
NSA OversiteThey lack the money to establish over-site. Give them a few more billion, and ... |
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vircotto Premium Member join:2002-06-04 searching... |
vircotto
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2013-Aug-19 9:19 am
Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
I'm glad I wasn't drinking my coffee! |
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ArrayListDevOps Premium Member join:2005-03-19 Mullica Hill, NJ |
eff clings to anythingThey really hope that all this BS is true and still have no evidence to support that claim. |
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Bootes Premium Member join:2005-01-28 New York, NY |
Bootes
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2013-Aug-19 9:21 am
Mistake"After several weeks of repeated lying, the EFF has eloquently illustrated that the EFF clealy has no adequete oversight" |
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Re: eff clings to anythingUh, they have plenty of evidence. None of this is BS. Do you mind taking off your rose-colored glasses for a bit and looking at this objectively like a rational, intelligent individual? |
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Re: MistakeSo you're going to use your personal bias against the EFF to just disregard this? You're perfectly ok with the NSA violating privacy and the Constitution? EDIT: My apologies, sir! I re-read the article and you are indeed just pointing out a mistake in it, lol. Please disregard the above. |
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n2jtx join:2001-01-13 Glen Head, NY |
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said by Bootes:"After several weeks of repeated lying, the EFF has eloquently illustrated that the EFF clealy has no adequete oversight"
That was done to prevent the three-letter agency from scooping up the paragraph! |
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pawpaw join:2004-05-05 Asheville, NC |
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Re: eff clings to anythingWhat evidence do you have that the EFF is wrong? |
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MaynardKrebsWe did it. We heaved Steve. Yipee. Premium Member join:2009-06-17 |
to TheRogueX
Re: Mistakesaid by TheRogueX:So you're going to use your personal bias against the EFF to just disregard this? You're perfectly ok with the NSA violating privacy and the Constitution?
It's the same rationale he probably uses to vote Republican. and to watch Faux Noise. |
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StuartMW
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2013-Aug-19 9:54 am
We need...quote: Leaks Prove NSA Has No Meaningful Oversight
The gummint should solve this by forming the NSAW (NSA Watchers) and pouring billions into it so it can have "oversight" over the NSA. After some time we'll need the NSAWW, NSAWWW... We can't limit the NSA's activities (and funding) since that would allow "the terrorists" to blow up the whole US and us along with it. |
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AnonMan
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2013-Aug-19 10:10 am
My viewHere is my view on it all.
I don't care if a machine is parsing through all my data as I have no plans to kill my brothers and sisters but I do care if it's stored long-term or a person is allowed to do as they please with it. I understand SOME basic freedoms must be given up to ensure safety but the problem is they are not doing it properly.
It should be all automated in that specific keywords or combination or other alg. of them are flagged for review or only people who known ties etc. and beyond that everything else ignored. Wouldn't you want them to know if the guy 3 houses down form you had access to nukes and planned to nuke your town? You would cry if they didn't but cry that they do. Now grant it he shouldn't have gotten access to it anyway but you get the point.
We live in a sick world where people can no longer be trusted or care about eachother. It's sad we have to lock our doors at night and need guns to protect ourselves but that's why these things exists, to help protect us.
Now I am against the widespread spying on people but I also understand it needs to exists somewhat, just not in the manner they have implemented and use it. Don't also be fooled also, NSA is not only one doing this... The whole problem is that they lie and the way they allow access and no oversight over the mater.
End of the day it's not the information that matters, it's what they do with it and who has access to it that does. |
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skeechanAi Otsukaholic Premium Member join:2012-01-26 AA169|170
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skeechan
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2013-Aug-19 10:57 am
The entire government is lacking oversight......the most corrupt and totalitarian in American history.
No one in government has credibility at this point. |
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Re: My viewsaid by AnonMan :Here is my view on it all.
Wouldn't you want them to know if the guy 3 houses down form you had access to nukes and planned to nuke your town? You would cry if they didn't but cry that they do. Now grant it he shouldn't have gotten access to it anyway but you get the point.
No. If your "guy" already harvested/imported/acquired nuclear materials ... it is already too late and government failed miserably even before he detonates. Besides your hypothetical scenario is a stretch and having NSA infringing on USA's residents freedoms does not guarantee any prevention from such event. I am not willing to be spied upon and having my data recorded(and god knows what being done with it and "analyzed") in hopes of catching some hypothetical person participating in hypothetical event that may or may not happen. Please... Infiltration is still the best means of intelligence gathering on terror groups ... this domestic spying does jack-shit against hypothetical lone-wolfs like in your scenario. Government employees and agencies are required to uphold the constitution ... they need to stop disregarding fundamental documents at their own discretion and be prosecuted for having this free-for-all. |
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NOCTech75 Premium Member join:2009-06-29 Marietta, GA |
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Re: Mistakesaid by MaynardKrebs:said by TheRogueX:So you're going to use your personal bias against the EFF to just disregard this? You're perfectly ok with the NSA violating privacy and the Constitution?
It's the same rationale he probably uses to vote Republican. and to watch Faux Noise. Or to vote Democrat and watch MSNBC. |
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Re: My viewThat is a very sad thing to say.
I am not willing to give up any of my rights, my neighbor's rights or my children's rights for the very small amount of "protection" the government will give in return.
If I have to die, my neighbor has to die or my children have to die to maintain those rights I am perfectly fine with it. There have been many that have served this country on the front lines and have died before any of us, so we can do the same for them so their efforts were not in vein. |
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Metatron2008You're it Premium Member join:2008-09-02 united state |
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Re: Mistakesaid by MaynardKrebs:said by TheRogueX:So you're going to use your personal bias against the EFF to just disregard this? You're perfectly ok with the NSA violating privacy and the Constitution?
It's the same rationale he probably uses to vote Republican. and to watch Faux Noise. The only people okay with the NSA violating privacy right now are people giving up their rights and people who cheerlead for Obama... |
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ArrayListDevOps Premium Member join:2005-03-19 Mullica Hill, NJ |
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Re: eff clings to anythingBurden of proof falls on EFF, and they have no evidence. All they have is the testimony of a man. That's barely enough to prove anything. |
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Looking at it objectively would require a bit more than just the testimony of one man. |
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Re: MistakeThe NSA doesn't violate "privacy and the constitution". the supreme court has the authority to grant them the privileges that they have. |
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If that were true, you would see the House of Representatives killing the NSAs "evil" programs. I bet that they are just as on board with it. |
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Duramax08To The Moon Premium Member join:2008-08-03 San Antonio, TX |
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Re: My viewIm sure those who died for us was to protect us from people who wanted to hurt us, not to protect the brand of lube you purchase off of amazon. |
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Re: We need...Congress is supposed to be the ones to watch over it, but they are okay with it, so yeah. Our form of government apparently doesn't work. |
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Re: My viewI don't want anyone to know if the guy down the street has nukes. I don't want the government to stop any terrorists acts. I have an IQ high enough to know that they won't stop anything. |
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Americans don't know what their rights are half the time. You don't have the right to privacy on the Internet. What a joke. |
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Re: The entire government is lacking oversight...yeah, when people genuinely don't care, you get this. |
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pawpaw join:2004-05-05 Asheville, NC |
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Re: eff clings to anythingAlright then, EFF has to make their case. Just for the sake of argument, assume that the evidence exists. How do you suggest they obtain and reveal it? Or satisfy themselves that it is a mirage?
On the other hand, the government maintains that it is doing nothing wrong. I think the burden of proof is on the government. |
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Re: MistakePlease do not inject the D/R red herring. For the purposes of this discussion they are one and the same. |
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ArrayListDevOps Premium Member join:2005-03-19 Mullica Hill, NJ |
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Re: eff clings to anythingIf the government is going to reveal anything, I expect congress to get it out. That's their purpose. They give the NSA the money and they can make rules about proper oversight. They are in charge, not me. I get to tell them what to do on election day and that's the end of my real participation.
There is no place for mutiny in government. |
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pawpaw
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2013-Aug-19 2:07 pm
Spoken like a true Tory! |
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Re: My viewIt doesnt matter if they know their rights or not. That is still no justification for taking them.
Though the internet is a part of this, it not just about a right to privacy on the internet it is much deeper than that. It is more about the government doing what they are lawfully required to do, which is to uphold the constitution and not hide behind a cloak of "classified" when they choose not to for their convenience.
The saddest part about all this is that the people that straight up lied to congress have not been charged yet and probably never will be. People should be outraged by that as well regardless of how you feel about the rights violations. |
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