EFF: Leaks Prove NSA Has No Meaningful Oversight

They lack the money to establish over-site. Give them a few more billion, and ...

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

I'm glad I wasn't drinking my coffee!

They really hope that all this BS is true and still have no evidence to support that claim.

Uh, they have plenty of evidence. None of this is BS. Do you mind taking off your rose-colored glasses for a bit and looking at this objectively like a rational, intelligent individual?

Looking at it objectively would require a bit more than just the testimony of one man.

That 'one man' has plenty of evidence on his side.

What evidence do you have that the EFF is wrong?

Burden of proof falls on EFF, and they have no evidence. All they have is the testimony of a man. That's barely enough to prove anything.

Alright then, EFF has to make their case. Just for the sake of argument, assume that the evidence exists. How do you suggest they obtain and reveal it? Or satisfy themselves that it is a mirage?

On the other hand, the government maintains that it is doing nothing wrong. I think the burden of proof is on the government.

If the government is going to reveal anything, I expect congress to get it out. That's their purpose. They give the NSA the money and they can make rules about proper oversight. They are in charge, not me. I get to tell them what to do on election day and that's the end of my real participation.

There is no place for mutiny in government.

Spoken like a true Tory!

Uh, that man has released documents from within the very organizations in question. That is the evidence we're talking about. It is real, it's not just hearsay.

Makes me wonder if ArrayList is one of the techs that ISN'T getting laid off? Or was that 90%-getting-fired deal an urban myth?

Heard of the expression "Fool me once..."? They've had a habit of getting caught doing stuff they claim not to, for decades. O_o

"After several weeks of repeated lying, the EFF has eloquently illustrated that the EFF clealy has no adequete oversight"

So you're going to use your personal bias against the EFF to just disregard this? You're perfectly ok with the NSA violating privacy and the Constitution?

EDIT: My apologies, sir! I re-read the article and you are indeed just pointing out a mistake in it, lol. Please disregard the above.

It's the same rationale he probably uses to vote Republican. and to watch Faux Noise.

Or to vote Democrat and watch MSNBC.

The only people okay with the NSA violating privacy right now are people giving up their rights and people who cheerlead for Obama...

If that were true, you would see the House of Representatives killing the NSAs "evil" programs. I bet that they are just as on board with it.

Wrong, we where the ones that told you all this was going on back under Bush and you pachyderms said it was all good to catch "the ter'ists" and that it could never possibly come back to bite us in the ass.

We're still here and still pissed that it's still happening.

Please do not inject the D/R red herring. For the purposes of this discussion they are one and the same.

The NSA doesn't violate "privacy and the constitution". the supreme court has the authority to grant them the privileges that they have.

Uh, no it doesn't. It can't violate the Constitution either. Everything the NSA is doing right now violates the 4th Amendment.

No, it doesn't violate anything. The supreme court has already answered that question. It's been settled.

Imagine if a kid could decide how much candy they could get. Do you think that no kid, ever, would just keep asking for more?
It's the classic fox guarding the hen house, here - they can do anything they want because it's illegal to prove a violation!

That was done to prevent the three-letter agency from scooping up the paragraph!

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Leaks Prove NSA Has No Meaningful Oversight

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The gummint should solve this by forming the NSAW (NSA Watchers) and pouring billions into it so it can have "oversight" over the NSA. After some time we'll need the NSAWW, NSAWWW...

We can't limit the NSA's activities (and funding) since that would allow "the terrorists" to blow up the whole US and us along with it.

Congress is supposed to be the ones to watch over it, but they are okay with it, so yeah. Our form of government apparently doesn't work.

Actually, they are not ok with it; most of Congress didn't know.

Why not just list the NSA as terrorists?

Here is my view on it all.

I don't care if a machine is parsing through all my data as I have no plans to kill my brothers and sisters but I do care if it's stored long-term or a person is allowed to do as they please with it. I understand SOME basic freedoms must be given up to ensure safety but the problem is they are not doing it properly.

It should be all automated in that specific keywords or combination or other alg. of them are flagged for review or only people who known ties etc. and beyond that everything else ignored. Wouldn't you want them to know if the guy 3 houses down form you had access to nukes and planned to nuke your town? You would cry if they didn't but cry that they do. Now grant it he shouldn't have gotten access to it anyway but you get the point.

We live in a sick world where people can no longer be trusted or care about eachother. It's sad we have to lock our doors at night and need guns to protect ourselves but that's why these things exists, to help protect us.

Now I am against the widespread spying on people but I also understand it needs to exists somewhat, just not in the manner they have implemented and use it. Don't also be fooled also, NSA is not only one doing this... The whole problem is that they lie and the way they allow access and no oversight over the mater.

End of the day it's not the information that matters, it's what they do with it and who has access to it that does.

...the most corrupt and totalitarian in American history.

No one in government has credibility at this point.

I have no trust in our federal government. Both political parties have become bad characters.