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Comments on news posted 2013-09-05 14:55:38: Continuing to illustrate how the NSA leaks have obliterated traditional partisan lines, Patriot Act author Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner has joined forces with the EFF to argue before a court that the NSA has taken things too far. ..



n2jtx

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Too Late Senator

There are no do-overs Senator. You failed to learn from history that the monster you were creating would have a life of its own free of the controls of its master. There are no amount of safeguards that you will be able to put in place to tame it. Live with the fact that you made a biga$$ mistake and that history will more than likely remember you for it.
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cableties
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Repeal this mess...

...the two real threats: Saddam (CIA created) and Bin Laden (CIA created) are dead.
Any other threats to the American people are located in District of Columbia
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Probitas

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I think "THEY" heard that. You best watch yourself. ;p


FFH5
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reply to cableties
said by cableties:

...the two real threats: Saddam (CIA created) and Bin Laden (CIA created) are dead.
Any other threats to the American people are located in District of Columbia

There are real threats all over the US in major cities and there are real threats all thru the Middle East and South Asia. Playing at ostrich and sticking your head in the ground doesn't make the threats go away.
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If you want to anger a liberal tell him the truth."

Squire James

join:2013-08-21
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Re: Too Late Senator

You seem to be blaming the person who fumbled the football rather than making an attempt to recover it.


dregstudios

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Living in a Society of Fear

The dystopian fantasies of yesteryear are now a reality. We’ve allowed the coming of an age where the civil liberties our forefathers fought so hard for are being eroded by the day. Freedom of Press, Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Assembly are mere ghostly images of their original intent. We’ve woken up to an Orwellian Society of Fear where anyone is at the mercy of being labeled a terrorist for standing up for rights we took for granted just over a decade ago. Read about how we’re waging war against ourselves at »dregstudiosart.blogspot.com/2011···ars.html


batterup
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reply to FFH5

Re: Repeal this mess...

said by FFH5:

Playing at ostrich and sticking your head in the ground doesn't make the threats go away.

Nether does what Obama/Bush are doing; look no further than Boston as proof.


FFH5
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said by batterup:

said by FFH5:

Playing at ostrich and sticking your head in the ground doesn't make the threats go away.

Nether does what Obama/Bush are doing; look no further than Boston as proof.

No one and no amount of spying will catch EVERY terrorist attack. But not spying will let dozens take place instead of an occasional successful attack.
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tommy2text0

join:2011-05-24
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reply to FFH5
said by FFH5:

There are real threats all over the US in major cities and there are real threats all thru the Middle East and South Asia. Playing at ostrich and sticking your head in the ground doesn't make the threats go away.

Of course. Terrorism is rampant and its all to save the children. Oh and if you are not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about lol.

sonicmerlin

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reply to FFH5
said by FFH5:

said by cableties:

...the two real threats: Saddam (CIA created) and Bin Laden (CIA created) are dead.
Any other threats to the American people are located in District of Columbia

There are real threats all over the US in major cities and there are real threats all thru the Middle East and South Asia. Playing at ostrich and sticking your head in the ground doesn't make the threats go away.

What threats? What evidence do you have of this?


FFH5
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said by sonicmerlin:

said by FFH5:

said by cableties:

...the two real threats: Saddam (CIA created) and Bin Laden (CIA created) are dead.
Any other threats to the American people are located in District of Columbia

There are real threats all over the US in major cities and there are real threats all thru the Middle East and South Asia. Playing at ostrich and sticking your head in the ground doesn't make the threats go away.

What threats? What evidence do you have of this?

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_un···ost-9/11
»english.alarabiya.net/en/News/wo···cks.html
»blog.al.com/breaking/2013/08/13_···ppe.html
»www.heritage.org/research/report···n-terror
»www.theguardian.com/world/2013/j···nce-live
»www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/···edc62cef
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reply to cableties
I think you misunderestimate the number of monsters the CIA/political fumbling have created over the years.
Few people REALLY paid attention to those two until it was too late. Lets not wait for the next one to make himself known to the press/general public.


tshirt
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reply to batterup
You do realize how minor 2 brothers in Boston are on the big stage?


tshirt
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Re: Too Late Senator

But, He right. Given all the time congress spends arguing over nothing, on those rare occasion they try to do something this big, they could/should/HAVE TO spend a little more time thinking through ALL the possible ramifications. ie what does the law allow, not just what they intended it to allow.

CXM_Splicer
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reply to FFH5

Re: Repeal this mess...

If that were true we would have dozens of attacks this program stopped. Last count I saw was ONE... in 12 years.


FFH5
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said by CXM_Splicer:

If that were true we would have dozens of attacks this program stopped. Last count I saw was ONE... in 12 years.

The links prove you are WRONG!!!
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StuartMW
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reply to n2jtx

Re: Too Late Senator

said by n2jtx:

You failed to learn from history that the monster you were creating would have a life of its own free of the controls of its master.

A monster indeed

»www.theguardian.com/world/2013/s···security
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batterup
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reply to tommy2text0

Re: Repeal this mess...

said by tommy2text0:

Of course. Terrorism is rampant and its all to save the children. Oh and if you are not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about lol.

Don't forget the NSA is fighting pedophilia too.


jap
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reply to FFH5
You fail to understand why people terrorize in the first place. It's a feedback loop.

CXM_Splicer
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reply to FFH5
Hahaha, you haven't read those... have you

They give conflicting accounts and are old claims already proven false. Give the last link (feinstein) a good read and you will see that the same plots they were using as justification for the domestic spying were actually discovered in other ways. In other words... they were LYING (gee, there's a shocker!) Here is the latest:

quote:
Testifying before the Senate on Wednesday, National Security Agency Deputy Director John Inglis conceded that the bulk collection of phone records of millions of Americans under Section 215 of the USA PATRIOT Act has been key in stopping only one terror plot — not the dozens officials had previously said.

»www.democracynow.org/2013/8/1/ns···llection

»www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/08/···5336800/

calibax

join:2000-12-08
Sunnyvale, CA

A politician acting like a politician

The sad thing is that guy is just upset that the Patriot Act powers are being used by a Democrat, and not a God-fearing, upright Republican president as he intended.

If a Republican was in the office he'd be sitting quietly in a corner.


TamaraB
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reply to FFH5

Re: Repeal this mess...

said by FFH5:

But not spying will let dozens take place instead of an occasional successful attack.

Your attitude is based on cowardice and fear, and is as un-American as fascism!

"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" - Benjamin Franklin


When any Government becomes all-knowing and all-powerful, they become the epitome of oppression. I don't want to go there, no matter how much "temporary security" it may bring. Our biggest enemy is a fearful and cowardly population.

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=amNpxQANk0M


Grow a spine!!

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Gunpowder, Treason and Plot.
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