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Comments on news posted 2013-10-01 15:29:21: Sunday night's Breaking Bad series finale not only broke viewership records for AMC (10.3 million U.S. viewers), it also broke piracy records. ..

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BF69
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But wait

I though lack of availability of content was why people pirated. The last episode is legally available at places like Amazon, Vudu, iTunes etc so why is there so much piracy? This kind of disproves the point if you make content available people will stop pirating.



mackieg4
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Maybe because it's not available from iTunes, Amazon, Vudo, etc. until the next day in the USA. In other countries, it's not available for weeks or months.



batterup
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What is "Breaking Bad"?

I guess with only ten million viewers I'm not alone. I know what M.A.S.H. was; it had over ten times the number of viewers. Of course it was free OTA.



BF69
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reply to mackieg4

Re: But wait

said by mackieg4:

Maybe because it's not available from iTunes, Amazon, Vudo, etc. until the next day in the USA.

Well then wait 24 hours or get fucking cable or go to a friends house.


BF69
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reply to batterup

Re: What is "Breaking Bad"?

Yes and most people still didn't have cable so you had 3 choices



mackieg4
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reply to BF69

Re: But wait

Did you read the fucking article? Most were from other countries. Only 14.5% were from the USA. Geez dude, stop being so negative all the time.



batterup
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reply to BF69

Re: What is "Breaking Bad"?

said by BF69:

Yes and most people still didn't have cable so you had 3 choices

Four if they did their homework. I had C.A.T.V in 1983.


Pirate515
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reply to BF69

Re: But wait

said by BF69:

I though lack of availability of content was why people pirated. The last episode is legally available at places like Amazon, Vudu, iTunes etc. so why is there so much piracy? This kind of disproves the point if you make content available people will stop pirating.

Could it also be that copies from all of the legal sources are DRM'd and many people are not too fond of paying for something that will come with restrictions? Why doesn't Hollywood drop DRM as music industry finally did a few years ago, it just might work wonders for them.

And yes, I second the availability argument. If people outside of the US can't get it the same time that we do from legal sources, they will pirate it. And it has nothing to do with depriving those who worked on the show of their rightly earned income, rather with wanting to see how it all ends ASAP. IMO, that episode should have been available on iTunes, Amazon, Vudu, etc. worldwide at the same time it started rolling on TV.
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reply to mackieg4


That argument doesn't hold water. US was second highest and nearly equal to highest.

"18% of downloaders were from Australia, while 14.5% were from the United States and 9.3% were from the UK."



mackieg4
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If 14.5% were from USA, that means 85.5% were from other countries. Doesn't matter who the US was close to or equal to. My point is, 85.5% do not have legal access for weeks or months.


jjeffeory

join:2002-12-04
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reply to BF69

Maybe, but one instance of something hardly proves the fact. Even in scientific experiments this is true. The test must be reproducible.



Probitas

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It's not just the access

The access has to be in a format the customer wants. Maybe they don't want to deal with APPLE and their proprietary BS. Maybe they'd like it in something that can be moved to other mediums for personal use. The amount of anti-piracy apps out there and such make it impossible for people to watch something on the device of THEIR choice, not the choice of the provider...hence the piracy. You can't force people to sign up for services if they don't want those services, just the show. Try again providers, consumers want options, and not just YOUR APPROVED options.


wispalord

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Farmington, MO

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reply to BF69

Re: But wait

its also not free or subscription based it pay per view that shit don't fly well with most


wispalord

join:2007-09-20
Farmington, MO
reply to Pirate515

I agree or make it viewable online first at the same time for everyone in there zip code that would also put more ppl online at a given time for targeted adds aka hulu the tech is there to make a killing and never need to charge more than a subscription fee, when they figure this out it will get better till then its ran by old non tech ppl that don't understand technology and there just going to burry them selves, I see it no differently than recording it on vhs and letting all my friends borrow it. IF MPAA hd there way every person in front of the same tv would have to pay to watch like a theater there all crooks


PinkyThePig
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Not suprising

To those saying its available legally... Video games have always been available legally but I used to pirate them until steam came a long. steam was so easy and painless that it was easier to pay 5 dollars than it was to pirate and deal with potential viruses.

Piracy has almost always, to me, been a service issue and not an availability issue. Sure it's available on hulu but even if I pay I still have to watch adds, can only stream it (can't dll for offline viewing) and it is still going to be delayed.

I personally haven't watched BB except for the random episode at my parents but as a comparison of what is available automatically: I could have a torrent/usenet app autosubscribed to download said show, send a notification to my phone that it is available, and then watch it through plex which, with a subscription, allows me to download it for offline viewing painlessly on any of my devices. The current options out there (itunes, amazon, netflix etc.) offer nowhere near that level of convienence.

The day I can subscribe to something like plex with total control of my content (NO DRM) is the day I will stop current activities.

EDIT to add: There is currently no way for me to legally purchase the level of service that I want.

iTunes has DRM (last I checked) and cannot be automated.
Amazon has DRM and cannot be automated.
Netflix has DRM and cannot be downloaded or viewed on all of my systems without significant hackery and is delayed significantly.
Hulu, even with paying, forces me to watch ads, cannot automate, cannot download.
DVDs only come out AFTER the entire season is done and cannot be automated.

Why would it be so hard for the media companies to make something more like steam? Let me purchase a season or show (before it finishes or even in advance) and download non drm files the same day it airs with available tie ins to various apps (which all have open source, preprogrammed tieins). They could make it so that as soon as a file is released to them they push it to my computer. Let me redownload the file at a later date in case of a hard drive failure etc.

It's not like their current DRM does anything at all as this torrent swarm shows. It only hurts legitimate customers.



BF69
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reply to mackieg4

Re: But wait

said by mackieg4:

Did you read the fucking article? Most were from other countries. Only 14.5% were from the USA. Geez dude, stop being so negative all the time.

14.5% or 1 out of 7. Just pointing out the facts. Sorry you hate FACTS. Here's a tip if you don't like what I say they do have an IGNORE feature here. I'll save you some time just click the link and you can ignore my posts.

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BF69
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reply to wispalord

said by wispalord:

its also not free or subscription based it pay per view that shit don't fly well with most

Well tough shit. I want everything too be free too. That's not real fucking life though. It's like $4 for the HD version. They can't afford $4? A half hour's work at Burger King will pay for that.


BF69
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Re: What is "Breaking Bad"?

said by batterup:

said by BF69:

Yes and most people still didn't have cable so you had 3 choices

Four if they did their homework. I had C.A.T.V in 1983.

Yes I had cable in 1983 too. Over half the country didn't. If mini-dishes didn't exist you'd still have 1/3 watching OTA.

Four? I'm not counting PBS. Fox didn't exist until 1989.


BF69
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reply to Probitas

Re: It's not just the access

said by Probitas :

The access has to be in a format the customer wants.

Just because I don't like the price or the format doesn't justify me pirating it. If I don't like the price of movie ticket I'm justified sneaking in the back door for free?


BF69
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Re: Not suprising

said by PinkyThePig:

To those saying its available legally... Video games have always been available legally but I used to pirate them until steam came a long.

And people like you are why we can't have nice things. If you can't afford something or don't like the price your option is to NOT buy it. not take it anyway. Man the future is going to suck with everyone's lack of morals.

zod5000

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reply to BF69

Re: But wait

I think the content owners are the ones who are losing out with the 24 hour period.

The consumer has no need to wait. They can download it a few minutes after its done airing and watch it for free. Their alternative option is to wait 24 hours and pay for it.

Seriously how did you phrase your sentence like the consumer is in the wrong? Yes pirating is wrong, but when pirating is the only given choice for those 24 hours, what decision do you expect people to make.

As for other countries. I can't understand why there's international wait restrictions anymore. With the internet once something airs on a tv stations somewhere it's basically aired throughout the entire planet. Expecting fans to wait weeks/months to watch it as asking a lot.

I'm not condoning piracy. I'm asking them to release the products everywhere at the same time. The only people getting hurt by staggering releases are the content owners.



aaronwt
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said by zod5000:

I think the content owners are the ones who are losing out with the 24 hour period.

The consumer has no need to wait. They can download it a few minutes after its done airing and watch it for free. Their alternative option is to wait 24 hours and pay for it.

Seriously how did you phrase your sentence like the consumer is in the wrong? Yes pirating is wrong, but when pirating is the only given choice for those 24 hours, what decision do you expect people to make.

As for other countries. I can't understand why there's international wait restrictions anymore. With the internet once something airs on a tv stations somewhere it's basically aired throughout the entire planet. Expecting fans to wait weeks/months to watch it as asking a lot.

I'm not condoning piracy. I'm asking them to release the products everywhere at the same time. The only people getting hurt by staggering releases are the content owners.

I'll take the $2.99 1080P, 5.1DD download from Amazon over the free BitTorrnet any day.

zod5000

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reply to batterup

Re: What is "Breaking Bad"?

We'll probably never see ratings like that again for scripted television. There's too many options now. Netflix to watch great classic old shows, 200 channels on cable, internet video, piracy etc...

There weren't alot of options in the early 80s. No internet, no home video (you could only rent VHS), and a handful of channels.

People watch Mash because there wasn't a hell of a lot else to watch (I did like the early seasons of Mash, the later seasons got preachy. I'm not sure how they hold up today).

With the exception of live sports events I'm not sure we'll ever see a rating like Mash got.

10 million views is pretty good in the 21st century. Ratings are way lower across the board than they were at the turn of the millennium. 10 million is pretty damn good.


zod5000

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Re: Not suprising

It works both ways. I think it's partially the robin hood effect. Many people don't feel guilty when stealing from mega corporations who seem to also lack a set of morals.

I'm not sure how it impacts the future. Maybe the media companies will stop locking everything up and suing everybody and earn some goodwill.


ZZink

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reply to BF69

cry me a river


zod5000

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I agree. I like to collect blurays and find it so annoying that it takes forever to get through all the ads and warning screens. The warning screens take a few minutes to get through. It burns even more know that if you pirating bluray it would of gone right into the movie.

I have no idea why the pull all those warnings on the discs that people actually pay for. They're warning and agitating the wrong people.



weales

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reply to BF69

said by BF69 See Profile
And people like you are why we can't have nice things.
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It's corporate greed and society in general to blame, as in, YOU and ME. If you're doing something about it, in any which way, good for you, more people need to follow suit. If you haven't, get off your high horse and go out and try and teach some morals to the young people.

I do agree 100% with you that the future doesn't look good if society's morals go any further down the drain. See U.S.S.R in modern history for lack of morals and you get the drift, and I went off topic, bleh.



Anon21873

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reply to BF69

Re: But wait

said by BF69:

said by mackieg4:

Only 14.5% were from the USA. Geez dude, stop being so negative all the time.

14.5% or 1 out of 7. Just pointing out the facts. Sorry you hate FACTS.

I'm gonna agree with mackieg4 here. Chill out dude, you're making a scene.

I don't even understand what point you're trying to make. Yes, 14.5% is 1 out of 7 and that is indeed a fact as you say. Meaning the vast majority of the pirates (6 out of 7) were outside the US, which supports the argument he was making.

Again dude, just take a chill pill. The angrier you get, the more infantile you seem. Let people complain if they want to; it relieves stress.


Pirate515
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reply to wispalord

said by wispalord:

If MPAA had their way every person in front of the same TV would have to pay to watch like a theater. They are all crooks.

Wasn't that one of the concerns with Microsoft's upcoming XBox One (among many others). Allegedly, the required camera that came with it had the capability to detect how many people were in the room. So imagine this, you order a movie or a PPV event, invite some friends over, and right before it is about to start, it refuses to play because it detected 20 people in the room and demands 20x what you originally paid for it.
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