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2 recommendations | But wait I though lack of availability of content was why people pirated. The last episode is legally available at places like Amazon, Vudu, iTunes etc so why is there so much piracy? This kind of disproves the point if you make content available people will stop pirating. | |
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2 recommendations | Re: But wait Maybe because it's not available from iTunes, Amazon, Vudo, etc. until the next day in the USA. In other countries, it's not available for weeks or months. | |
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1 recommendation | Re: But wait said by mackieg4:Maybe because it's not available from iTunes, Amazon, Vudo, etc. until the next day in the USA. Well then wait 24 hours or get fucking cable or go to a friends house. | |
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2 recommendations | Re: But wait Did you read the fucking article? Most were from other countries. Only 14.5% were from the USA. Geez dude, stop being so negative all the time. | |
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West Tenness | Re: But wait said by mackieg4:Did you read the fucking article? Most were from other countries. Only 14.5% were from the USA. Geez dude, stop being so negative all the time.
14.5% or 1 out of 7. Just pointing out the facts. Sorry you hate FACTS. Here's a tip if you don't like what I say they do have an IGNORE feature here. I'll save you some time just click the link and you can ignore my posts.
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14.5% or 1 out of 7. Just pointing out the facts. Sorry you hate FACTS. I'm gonna agree with mackieg4 here. Chill out dude, you're making a scene.
I don't even understand what point you're trying to make. Yes, 14.5% is 1 out of 7 and that is indeed a fact as you say. Meaning the vast majority of the pirates (6 out of 7) were outside the US, which supports the argument he was making.
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| Re: But wait said by BF69:said by mackieg4:Did you read the fucking article? Most were from other countries. Only 14.5% were from the USA. Geez dude, stop being so negative all the time.
14.5% or 1 out of 7. Just pointing out the facts. Sorry you hate FACTS. Here's a tip if you don't like what I say they do have an IGNORE feature here. I'll save you some time just click the link and you can ignore my posts. » /useremail/u/1···re=START I do agree with you BF69. Those facts are very hard to refute, which is why people are getting all pissy about it.
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3 recommendations | Re: But wait I agree with what he's trying to say but not the manner in which he chooses to convey it.
I get it, I really do. I understand how satisfactory it must feel to be able to say "Hah, it's legally available like you claimed you wanted and yet piracy continues. Your argument is invalid." It's human nature to enjoy those types of "I told ya so!" moments.
But there's no need to be so condescending about it, or strongly imply the mindset of "I'm morally superior to anyone who disagrees with me." That's what I have a problem with. That is how children act, not full grown adults who should know better. | |
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I get it, I really do. I understand how satisfactory it must feel to be able to say "Hah, it's legally available like you claimed you wanted and yet piracy continues. Your argument is invalid." It's human nature to enjoy those types of "I told ya so!" moments.
But there's no need to be so condescending about it, or strongly imply the mindset of "I'm morally superior to anyone who disagrees with me." That's what I have a problem with. That is how children act, not full grown adults who should know better.
I in no way directed my post at anyone posting here. If anyone took it personal that's THEIR problem not mine. | |
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I get it, I really do. I understand how satisfactory it must feel to be able to say "Hah, it's legally available like you claimed you wanted and yet piracy continues. Your argument is invalid." It's human nature to enjoy those types of "I told ya so!" moments.
But there's no need to be so condescending about it, or strongly imply the mindset of "I'm morally superior to anyone who disagrees with me." That's what I have a problem with. That is how children act, not full grown adults who should know better.
I in no way directed my post at anyone posting here. If anyone took it personal that's THEIR problem not mine. You and I both know that that's bullshit. You did in fact direct your posts negatively towards anyone who doesn't share your "HAIL CORPORATE VERIZON" opinion. Stop trying to backtrack and make yourself seem like the "unsung hero" or "golden boy that nobody understands" or stuff like that. We don't buy it. | |
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| Re: But wait Because he states his opinion that anyone that purposefully breaks copyright laws, are immoral turds, that makes him a "golden boy"?. He is simply a law abiding citizen regarding this matter, and everyone else should follow the same laws. For some incredible reason, people feel justified to break these laws, and I impatiently wait for the day when it all blows up in their faces.
Everyone who feels they are morally just, anyone who believes they arent doing anything wrong by trading music/movies/software like theyre trading baseball cards, feel free to publicly state your IP address. Better yet, write a signed letter to the MPAA and RIAA telling them to go F themselves, and attach a list of all the content you COPIED, not STOLE.
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The consumer has no need to wait. They can download it a few minutes after its done airing and watch it for free. Their alternative option is to wait 24 hours and pay for it.
Seriously how did you phrase your sentence like the consumer is in the wrong? Yes pirating is wrong, but when pirating is the only given choice for those 24 hours, what decision do you expect people to make.
As for other countries. I can't understand why there's international wait restrictions anymore. With the internet once something airs on a tv stations somewhere it's basically aired throughout the entire planet. Expecting fans to wait weeks/months to watch it as asking a lot.
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| Re: But wait said by zod5000:I think the content owners are the ones who are losing out with the 24 hour period.
The consumer has no need to wait. They can download it a few minutes after its done airing and watch it for free. Their alternative option is to wait 24 hours and pay for it.
Seriously how did you phrase your sentence like the consumer is in the wrong? Yes pirating is wrong, but when pirating is the only given choice for those 24 hours, what decision do you expect people to make.
As for other countries. I can't understand why there's international wait restrictions anymore. With the internet once something airs on a tv stations somewhere it's basically aired throughout the entire planet. Expecting fans to wait weeks/months to watch it as asking a lot.
I'm not condoning piracy. I'm asking them to release the products everywhere at the same time. The only people getting hurt by staggering releases are the content owners.
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2 recommendations | Re: But wait said by aaronwt:I'll take the $2.99 1080P, 5.1DD download from Amazon over the free BitTorrnet any day.
I'll take the 1080P 5.1DD free BitTorrent instead. | |
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| said by zod5000:I think the content owners are the ones who are losing out with the 24 hour period.
The consumer has no need to wait. They can download it a few minutes after its done airing and watch it for free. Their alternative option is to wait 24 hours and pay for it.
Seriously how did you phrase your sentence like the consumer is in the wrong? Yes pirating is wrong, but when pirating is the only given choice for those 24 hours, what decision do you expect people to make.
As for other countries. I can't understand why there's international wait restrictions anymore. With the internet once something airs on a tv stations somewhere it's basically aired throughout the entire planet. Expecting fans to wait weeks/months to watch it as asking a lot.
I'm not condoning piracy. I'm asking them to release the products everywhere at the same time. The only people getting hurt by staggering releases are the content owners.
I can understand the way it was years ago, when you had to wait months for a full series to be released. However, 24 hours? I think thats a little excessive. If you want immediate access, then pay for cable or Satellite. That simple.
IMHO, the consumer is wrong in this case. Its pretty simple to see. As you said, piracy is wrong, and consumers should be able to wait 24 freaking hours to get the content legally.
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The consumer has no need to wait. They can download it a few minutes after its done airing and watch it for free. Their alternative option is to wait 24 hours and pay for it.
Seriously how did you phrase your sentence like the consumer is in the wrong? Yes pirating is wrong, but when pirating is the only given choice for those 24 hours, what decision do you expect people to make. I expect people to act like fricken grown ups with morals. If my posts are childish what is pirating something because one can't wait 24 hours? And if one wants to watch it now how come they aren't watching it on TV when it's on in the first place? | |
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Or don't wait anything at all and just watch it because it's everywhere.
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West Tenness | Re: But wait said by Kamus:said by BF69:Well then wait 24 hours or get fucking cable or go to a friends house.
Or don't wait anything at all and just watch it because it's everywhere. Not everyone has their head in the sand, get over it. yes let's not have morals anymore in society because that has been proven so successful in the past. | |
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3 recommendations | Re: But wait said by BF69:yes let's not have morals anymore in society because that has been proven so successful in the past.
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2 recommendations | If I go to a friends house, they still don't get my money, so I'm cool with that. Either way. Further down you've made this into a matter or morals, and maturity. What I don't understand about this, is how is watching it at a friends house any different that Pirating? Either way I watch it with no compensation to the rights holder. How it it that one is immoral while the other one isn't.
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That argument doesn't hold water. US was second highest and nearly equal to highest.
"18% of downloaders were from Australia, while 14.5% were from the United States and 9.3% were from the UK."
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2 recommendations | said by BF69:I though lack of availability of content was why people pirated. The last episode is legally available at places like Amazon, Vudu, iTunes etc. so why is there so much piracy? This kind of disproves the point if you make content available people will stop pirating. Could it also be that copies from all of the legal sources are DRM'd and many people are not too fond of paying for something that will come with restrictions? Why doesn't Hollywood drop DRM as music industry finally did a few years ago, it just might work wonders for them.
And yes, I second the availability argument. If people outside of the US can't get it the same time that we do from legal sources, they will pirate it. And it has nothing to do with depriving those who worked on the show of their rightly earned income, rather with wanting to see how it all ends ASAP. IMO, that episode should have been available on iTunes, Amazon, Vudu, etc. worldwide at the same time it started rolling on TV.
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A more popular product will regenerate more negative reviews. You need to consider how many sales it made vs how many people complained to determine how bad or good it is. This is common sense.
A more popular TV show will draw higher piracy numbers. Period. It doesn't mean no one watched it legally. You are just not looking at the whole picture.
How many people legally watched the finale?
How many people legally watched the finale and then downloaded it anyways?
How many people downloaded it who had a legal alternative in their country vs those who downloaded it and did not?
And then from there, you can break it down even further if you like to get real scientific:
How well was the show marketed in said country?
How well connected in said country for their legal means of watching said show?
Was the show competing with another popular TV show in that country at the time?
There is not enough data here to draw any conclusions. So stop trying.
Here is a bonus question for you geeks:
How many people who are tired of paying for old fashion cable TV, download it, and then buy it on bluray the next year (therefore still supporting it)? (Hint: me for one)
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AMC made a business decision to have that kind of piracy. Just like Redbox and netflix and peers made business decisions that significantly dropped piracy and picked the money up off the table.
HBO is another major one that is sitting there with piles of money on the table that they refuse to pick up. Maybe they do it on principle ("people shouldn't pirate"), or maybe they have poor leadership, but either way the money is there, whether they want to grab it or not. | |
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| Not necessarily. 10.3 million viewers on a premium channel is really good. Add the 500k torrent users and you got yourself a really good viewership. Just because people still use bittorent doesn't mean that they aren't aware of other legit offerings. In this case it may be a case of "a little to late." Those 500k downloads could be people who are just comfortable with using bittorent and can't be bothered with changing there ways. | |
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The show is so popular though it crosses typical demographic lines. So you're going to have pirates crawling all over it. And the numbers themselves don't look amazingly huge.
It's far easier to just watch AMC than bother with downloading the show illegally the day after it showed. | |
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2 recommendations | No it proves that the industry does such a shitty job of providing services, that a large swath of society has simply stopped giving a shit.
I have programs that will automatically seek out episodes in whatever size and format I desire. It's brutally efficient, unlike the retarded attempts of large portions of the industry which have nothing to do with efficient.
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cloud 9 | I though lack of availability of content was why people pirated. Unlikely to be a true statement as you're stretching so hard you're likely to tear something. Besides, some people like me refuse to pay for media, for no other reason than to deprive the copy right holder my money. But that's neither here nor there.
Those numbers work out to .7% as many people pirated it, as watched it broadcast. The number may be big, but insignificant from a relative stand point. So no, you're wrong. This doesn't even apply to your side of the argument. Interesting, but not relevant to point you were trying to make.
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I though lack of availability of content was why people pirated. The last episode is legally available at places like Amazon, Vudu, iTunes etc so why is there so much piracy? This kind of disproves the point if you make content available people will stop pirating.
Who is operating under that fallacy? ? ? You?
I am not!!
Matter of fact this is the year..
Dropped DBS Dish level
No longer watch traditional network prime time live
I import more shows from outside the US.... and get to watch them long before their airing on US channels.. like Bron, Broadchurch, Lillyhammer, Cracked, Saving Hope (which is no longer even aired in the US)...
I am not sampling any new shows from US broadcasters, as far too often any show I like is cancelled for dreck from the reality genre, or is just so distasteful see anything from the x-nbc network.. RIP NBC 1938-2013.
How is this done...
seed box sucking in shows at 10mbs
scp to home NAS array.
Plain and simple your "legal" methods don't meet my needs from availability to cost to disruptive conent..ie: ads! Nope, don't care if the ads pay or support the show... find a better model in 2013.
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1 edit | Not suprising To those saying its available legally... Video games have always been available legally but I used to pirate them until steam came a long. steam was so easy and painless that it was easier to pay 5 dollars than it was to pirate and deal with potential viruses.
Piracy has almost always, to me, been a service issue and not an availability issue. Sure it's available on hulu but even if I pay I still have to watch adds, can only stream it (can't dll for offline viewing) and it is still going to be delayed.
I personally haven't watched BB except for the random episode at my parents but as a comparison of what is available automatically: I could have a torrent/usenet app autosubscribed to download said show, send a notification to my phone that it is available, and then watch it through plex which, with a subscription, allows me to download it for offline viewing painlessly on any of my devices. The current options out there (itunes, amazon, netflix etc.) offer nowhere near that level of convienence.
The day I can subscribe to something like plex with total control of my content (NO DRM) is the day I will stop current activities.
EDIT to add: There is currently no way for me to legally purchase the level of service that I want.
iTunes has DRM (last I checked) and cannot be automated.
Amazon has DRM and cannot be automated.
Netflix has DRM and cannot be downloaded or viewed on all of my systems without significant hackery and is delayed significantly.
Hulu, even with paying, forces me to watch ads, cannot automate, cannot download.
DVDs only come out AFTER the entire season is done and cannot be automated.
Why would it be so hard for the media companies to make something more like steam? Let me purchase a season or show (before it finishes or even in advance) and download non drm files the same day it airs with available tie ins to various apps (which all have open source, preprogrammed tieins). They could make it so that as soon as a file is released to them they push it to my computer. Let me redownload the file at a later date in case of a hard drive failure etc.
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If AMC provides a quick and easy legal way to watch their shows outside of cable subscription (which they already do via, say, Amazon) to too many people cable companies will say: "Hey, now nobody will have a reason to subscribe to cable TV, you are now competing with us directly - we will no longer carry AMC". Then AMC loses all cable subscriber revenue, which is at this time is probably the largest part of their income. I think the only reason cable companies don't say this now is because the number of people consuming show via Amazon/Apple pay per view is not that large at this time. | |
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I will say it again Netflix has it figured out; Easy beats free.
Easy... what is any easier than setting up ONCE rutorrent to scrape an RSS feed for /Some.Show.S0[1-9]E[0-9][0-9].*720p.*/i
Do it once.. for each show...setup a nice little cron job to scp everything to the home NAS array. Done once.
Each AM I have the shows I want... all appear on my DLNA server... I can binge on them at my leisure.
No delays due to stupid sportrcarp overuns..cough cough CBS cough... plus again.. no interuptions every 5 mintues for 10 minutes of drivel ads for ED drugs which don't sound like they fix that problem with out killing the patient.
Can't be any easier... and I get ALL the shows I want.. no waiting for netcrapx to aquire them... so while most of the US waited for Broadchurch to show up on BBCA, I saw it first hand and knew MONTHS in advance that the DS Millers husband did it... along with great shows... like Doc Martin.. got that on netcraphax?? It is in its final run on ITV sadly... urrrhrhr  Along with Whitechapel, Silk, Lewis, Endeavour... no waiting I get it a few hours after it airs on BBC, ITV etc....
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