 Chris 313Come get somePremium
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Houma, LA | The truth...Finally Of course it is. MPAA/RIAA only say what they do to push their own agenda vs what is actually happening and helping them. |
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| This is only "the truth" if you believe in their analysis. I for one believe that there are benefits, but that without piracy, these industries would be making more money.
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| said by Nightfall:This is only "the truth" if you believe in their analysis. I for one believe that there are benefits, but that without piracy, these industries would be making more money.
I have to grudgingly agree.
But, knowing that they are raking in the dough regardless of Piracy allows me to sleep at night as I torrent.
Last night I bought music that I have on vinyl but was too lazy to get the record, put it on my usb turntable, fire up Audacity and rip it to MP3.
Blob
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| make it easier to get the stuffz, and people will do so. As long as you are reasonable about it. So far, costs for movies and music aren't exactly reasonable. |
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Re: The truth...Finallysaid by workablob:But, knowing that they are raking in the dough regardless of Piracy allows me to sleep at night as I torrent. This right here is where the rub is.
I am not asking you these questions, but they are good questions to ask.
A company is making money, so that is the justification for torrenting? Does that mean if the recording industry or movie industry was losing money, then it wouldn't be ok to pirate?
A company's loss or profit shouldn't be linked to right and wrong. Just because I make a profit off my photography doesn't give a newspaper the right to use my work and not pay me for it as a freelance photographer.
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Re: make it easier Especially when there was a bust for cd price fixing.
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Re: The truth...Finally said by Nightfall:A company is making money, so that is the justification for torrenting? Does that mean if the recording industry or movie industry was losing money, then it wouldn't be ok to pirate? Excuse me. If I BOUGHT an album on vinyl, then BOUGHT it again on cassette, then BOUGHT it again on 8-track, then yet AGAIN on CD -- it's perfectly Ok for me to torrent it to my hard drive. Who is the "Pirate" here? Me? Or the company who has already received money from me 4 times over for the same album and demands yet another extortion payment.
said by Nightfall:Just because I make a profit off my photography doesn't give a newspaper the right to use my work and not pay me for it as a freelance photographer. Wrong analogy! If I contract you to photograph my event, and PAY you for your services, you do NOT have the right to get paid again every time I change the frames those photos are put in, right? Making such a demand would make you a PIRATE. Don't you agree?
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| I'd like to see more introspective debates about copyright? Copyright was something someone thought up in the last 100 to 150 years (probably in the era of technology that could record music and video).
Before that time it seems everything was in the public domain. You couldn't record songs but you could share them, people could play them, and you didn't have to pay fees to cover or play someone elses music?
It seems people jump all over copyright infringement because its illegal. It's illegal because a bunch of fat cat politicians were lobbied by content creators to make it illegal.
There's never really been conversation on how to shape that within a country. Should music be shared, should it be copyright, should there be flexibility, etc....
I don't know what the answers are so I'm not being helpful, but I have to think there's a better way that making everything illegal.... a notion that has only had impact in the last century or so. |
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1 recommendation | Shit my efforts have failed! If pirating is actually helping the industry, I may just have to stop pirating. Damn-it! fail! |
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Re: I'd like to see more introspective debates about copyright? said by zod5000:I don't know what the answers are so I'm not being helpful, but I have to think there's a better way that making everything illegal.... a notion that has only had impact in the last century or so.
A wonderful documentary dealing with the abuse of copyright laws and how they have become so damaging to culture and technology can be seen here: RiP: A Remix Manifesto
The film also outlines what is being done to correct copyright abuses, and answers your fundamental question in a very succinct and powerful way.
Why is Micky Mouse, and the "happy birthday song" still copyright and not yet in the public domain? How are our convoluted copyright laws preventing cancer cures? Watch the film and be informed.
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Re: The truth...Finally Piracy, like many things in life, has a balance. A certain amount is good an "natural", but some is not.
Commercial piracy is almost always wrong, but your normal culture sharing friend-to-friend sharing is quite natural and is typically good.
Oxygen is actually a poison, but don't worry, in low doses it's good, and generally required to live. Same with culture sharing. You CAN NOT have a society without sharing culture, and that's exactly what piracy is, but like Oxygen, it needs to be used the correct way and remain in balance. |
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1 recommendation | Other studies There have been many other studies over the past 15 years since Napster, and almost all showed that Pirates spend about 2-3x the mount on content than non-pirates and when they share with their friends, it is free advertising that increases demand.
The hording pirate that doesn't spend much is completely out-weighed by the, gotta watch every movie in the theatre on opening day, kind of customer. So pirates are the BEST customers.
What you don't want is the pirate that sells what they pirate. They're d-bags.
The biggest issue right now is that the industry is treating customer like criminals, and that's pissing off their customer base. It's changing people from "Let me pirate to try this out" to "I'm never paying again".
Netflix already uses pirate charts, no not maps to booty, to decide which content to purchase next. The more something is being pirated, the higher the demand and most pirating is because of a lack of service. There is demand, but no one is selling to them. |
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Re: The truth...Finally Not sure why you're yelling here. Nightfall's post referenced nothing about re purchasing the same content. He was asking general questions about the quoted sentence - he even said that his inquiry was not to the OP that he replied to. It appears you misunderstood what he was replying to.
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said by TamaraB:said by Nightfall:A company is making money, so that is the justification for torrenting? Does that mean if the recording industry or movie industry was losing money, then it wouldn't be ok to pirate? Excuse me. If I BOUGHT an album on vinyl, then BOUGHT it again on cassette, then BOUGHT it again on 8-track, then yet AGAIN on CD -- it's perfectly Ok for me to torrent it to my hard drive. Who is the "Pirate" here? Me? Or the company who has already received money from me 4 times over for the same album and demands yet another extortion payment. said by Nightfall:Just because I make a profit off my photography doesn't give a newspaper the right to use my work and not pay me for it as a freelance photographer. Wrong analogy! If I contract you to photograph my event, and PAY you for your services, you do NOT have the right to get paid again every time I change the frames those photos are put in, right? Making such a demand would make you a PIRATE. Don't you agree? We are in 100% agreement. If company A pays me for the work that I did, they own the rights. Now if company B gets my work and uses it, thats different.
I also agree with you on the albums and movies and all the extra dipping that the RIAA and MPAA does. I believe that buying them in different formats is different though, but if you have it on CD you should be able to rip and use them as you see fit. Same with Blu-Ray DVD movies if you want to rip them in high quality format. If you own the movie on VHS format, then it doesn't give you the right to download blu-ray rips and say that you owned the movie. That just my .02 cents though.
I avoid the extra dipping by the MPAA and RIAA though. I have invested a lot into Blu-Ray movies over the regular DVDs that I have on the shelf because of the quality difference. I don't think I will be investing in the next format though since the quality is probably already maxed out on HDTVs. When it comes to albums though, I don't invest in buying albums of music that I already have.
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said by PaulHikeS2:Not sure why you're yelling here. Nightfall's post referenced nothing about re purchasing the same content. He was asking general questions about the quoted sentence - he even said that his inquiry was not to the OP that he replied to. It appears you misunderstood what he was replying to.
Thanks for mentioning this. I went ahead and answered anyway, even if it was off the mark. 
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said by Nightfall: .... I believe that buying them in different formats is different though, but if you have it on CD you should be able to rip and use them as you see fit. Well, you see over the decades, my vinyls got scratched, my cassettes and 8-tracks got eaten by the player, and many of my CDs got scratched or finger-printed to the point then would not play anymore. I bought the work of art, not the media it was recorded on. The artists who produced the work got paid.
said by Nightfall: If you own the movie on VHS format, then it doesn't give you the right to download blu-ray rips and say that you owned the movie. That just my .02 cents though. Well, we disagree here. The entire argument made by the entertainment mafia is that such copies are depriving the artist of his or her labor. The problem here is that a movie or an album is produced once and the artist is paid once for the performance. I bought a VHS copy of Gone With The Wind. My purchase of that movie paid the performers. How am I ripping off any artist if I now replace my eaten-alive copy of that movie with a Torrented DVD-Rip? I am merely replacing the bad media, I have already payed for the performance.
said by Nightfall:I avoid the extra dipping by the MPAA and RIAA though. I have invested a lot into Blu-Ray movies over the regular DVDs that I have on the shelf because of the quality difference. I don't think I will be investing in the next format though since the quality is probably already maxed out on HDTVs. Someday your Blu-Ray player will break, Blu-Ray will be obsolete and you will not be able to buy another player. How will you watch one of your paid-for movies then? Will you be happy purchasing the movie again at full performance price, on different media? Or will you torrent it to your HD?
I thought Blue-Ray discs were so heavily protected that you can't make copies nor play them on an unapproved player. No? How many pennies does a plastic disk cost? How much will you have to pay to replace a defective Blu-Ray disk?
said by Nightfall:When it comes to albums though, I don't invest in buying albums of music that I already have.
Providing the media those albums are on are still playable. How do you replace a botched song? Purchase the entire album at full performance price?
The entertainment industry has become a criminal enterprise. No other industry can get away with what they do. How would the automobile industry fare if you had to buy a new car to replace a dented door? They would be laughed out of the room, and an industry of cheap car doors would be born overnight.
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| said by TamaraB:Someday your Blu-Ray player will break, Blu-Ray will be obsolete and you will not be able to buy another player. How will you watch one of your paid-for movies then? Will you be happy purchasing the movie again at full performance price, on different media? Or will you torrent it to your HD?
I thought Blue-Ray discs were so heavily protected that you can't make copies nor play them on an unapproved player. No? How many pennies does a plastic disk cost? How much will you have to pay to replace a defective Blu-Ray disk? Without quoting your entire post.....
I believe in something very different than you do, so there really is no middle ground. Sounds like we will have to agree to disagree.
In short, I believe you are buying a product and you are entitled to use that product up to its capability. So, just because you bought VHS doesn't entitle you to the Blu-Ray version. I rip all my movies to the computer and keep the blu-rays in my basement. Its true that discs go bad over time, and technology changes all the time so blu-ray players disappear eventually. It took 25 years for VHS to disappear and you can still find VHS players out there.
I know, I have a rather different view. I definitely don't think that just because you bought the movie 20 years ago means you are entitled to every release after that for free. Still, if it happens the way you want it, I won't complain. I think that is the easiest to police.
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1 recommendation | Most of the stuff I torrent... ... is stuff I would never have intended to buy or could never justify buying in the first place so if I couldn't torrent it, I simply would have lived without it or continued seeking alternate options. No chance of me changing my mind about buying it or recommending it to friends, family, etc.
Funny how the MAFIAA needs so many studies to tell them the same thing before accepting what every closet pirate has known all along: most people still buy stuff after torrenting it if it is good enough to justify the price. |
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Re: The truth...Finally I just don't care. I sell software online and I have created a torrent for my programs so people can download it for free if they want to.
It's the reality of the Internet.
Adjust or die.
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