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| Google is offering a service. Cherry picking, aka, deployment where profit is most likely, is how companies assure return on investment. Google seeks to limit liability, have an option to quit, and to limit coverage. I applaud Google for deploying low cost high speed internet service wherever it wants.|
Mandates on local cable and telephone companies likely hinder deployment. If AT&T or Time Warner need to cover ALL areas of a town, where marketing determines great losses for much of the roll out to cover blighted areas, they will not deploy.
The choice is to have slow deployment of Internet, or fast, where cherry picking is allowed. AT&T, Verizon, Comcast and Time Warner would all love to cherry pick.
Letting the private sector handle 80% of the households at profit, is reasonable imo. Today we seem obsessed with fairness in all things. Yet, companies must profit to survive. Our fairness desire often conflicts with companies need to maintain profit.
Congress could mess up a one piece jigsaw puzzle.
Citizens interests too I don't think we can really split citizen's interests from city's. After all, obligations will be paid out of taxes and local budget, but citizens are clamoring for normal internet instead of what they get from current franchises.
It's perfectly normal for city to be concerned. It's also perfectly normal for Google to simply bypass them and go with the next eager participant. Once the list of eager places is empty, they might come back and revisit "reluctant" participants.
It's like adopting a cat. If you want a cat but local shelter waves a twenty page form to fill out and wants to do a background check on you, you probably will be very likely to get a cat from some other place, where requirements are not so strict
Oh and I still hate current form of franchise agreements. I understand the theory of equality, but practice means "if our low population / low income areas can't get service _nobody_ should have it", which is a bit... frustrating. It cuts out any chance of having alternative to those well established ISPs that dream about per-byte billing and do everything they can to prevent competition.
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Re: Citizens interests too
said by TBBroadband:And in the meantime, what happens? Incumbents either compete on service and price (the cities win) or nothing changes and everyone has the same, terrible service at high prices as always.
Any city would be smart right now to wait to see what path Google takes. In the end all of these cities that have signed on will take years for the network to be fully built.
Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
Google is the proverbial 800lb gorilla Google is just acting the part of what they really are - the 800lb gorilla, in negotiations with cities. Corporations do this all the time when they cut development deals that get them tax avoidance for multiple years if they put a headquarters bldg in a city. The only newsworthy aspect is that some people still think Google deserves their reputation a "Google the Good".
| |marigoldsGainfully employed, finallyPremium,MVM
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Re: Overland Park
said by TBBroadband:Yeah, Missouri not only waives those requirements for state level franchises, but invalidated all existing requirements for franchise agreements below state level.
But actually in some states- Ohio including, if you wish to become a cableTV provider; you must meet a certain amount of built out. failure to do so and note that on your application, you will be denied and could be ordered to shut down.
After this happened, AT&T, in particular, pulled out of a huge number of neighborhoods for TV (mine was one of them) and pulled or severely downgraded internet from existing deployments. Charter did as well, but not to the extent that AT&T did. Charter, instead, is allowing some neighborhoods to degrade without upgrades or repairs (since those standards were wiped out too).
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Re: Overland Park Internet is as vital to electricity to people these days, stop playing dumb. The whole point of a franchise agreement is to make a company service everyone and not just cherry pick.
| |skeechanAi OtsukaholicPremium
Towns that feel they are being treated unfairly... ...are free to tell Google no just as Google is free as a private enterprise to pick and choose who and where they begin negotiations over where they deploy their hobby/beta service.
Re: Towns that feel they are being treated unfairly...
said by skeechan:Of course Google has the right to decide where they go. Just as others have the right to point out that Google should not be extolled as some wonderful benefactor, but as a company looking out for their own interests(making billions of dollars and getting free publicity for their advertising business).
...are free to tell Google no just as Google is free as a private enterprise to pick and choose who and where they begin negotiations over where they deploy their hobby/beta service.
Google is no different than ATT, Verizon, Time Warner, etc. They are no different period. All of those companies get massive tax breaks, land, money, etc. from the local and state governments. Only difference is Google is supplying the people with massive speeds, while the rest of those losers supply the people with the least amount possible.
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Here is how telephone service was established in the good old days. The broadband industry is about where the Telephone Industry was in the early days of telephone service deployment. Unfortunately the incumbent broadband service providers are interfering with municipal deployment of broadband service. Overland Park's government did the right thing to be certain that the "T's" were crossed and that the "I's" were dotted. If Google wanted to be reasonable it would put Overland Park back on the deployment list as soon as there is a mutual agreement between both parties.
Here is a link to the website showing how telephone service was established in the good old days:
Warwick in History The following is a resolution taken from the Warwick Town Board minutes of June, 1928:
Be it resolved that the Warwick Valley Telephone Company of the Town of Warwick, State of New York, its successors or assigns, be and hereby is authorized to build and maintain a telephone system with the necessary exchange or exchanges in the Town of Warwick, New York, and for that purpose to set poles, string cables and wires, construct subways and do everything necessary for the building and maintenance of such telephone system in conformity to law, for a period of 99 years.
The resolution was carried unanimously.
Re: Google = Walmart
said by fartness:Really? Have you checked and backed this up?
Walmart came in and knocked a lot of competition out. Walmart used to have really cheap prices. Now that there's less competition, their prices are sky high. Same thing will happen with Google Fiber. It will start out cheap but sky rocket.
I can... Walmart has deals with certain very NAME BRAND CLOTHIERS to offer their products in the stores....An example recently I found is that a line of thermal underwear which sells for $18-30/piece elsewhere and at the site of the manufcaturer is $9.96/piece.. That is 50% or more LESS THAN the price at the competition ie: Target, Sears, Nordstrom, Macys, JCPenney, Kohls, Belk who all carry the same product.
I have the same items to compare and contrast the quality and material.. There is no difference. None. All foreign made, all same material content, and I have compared the fit and durability between the two.. No differences.
So if you know where to get these then you can save, big. Now the WM selection is LIMITED in the colors and textures.. versus the other stores and the direct site. Plus if you didn't some variants when they hit the shelf/peg they are gone for good and you will be off to the others to pay regular price. I've already seen it.. one particular variant is gone or a few pieces left over.. This was a one time stock, no replenishment...
Yes I know WM is predatory on the contracts. No, I don't like it. And no voting with my wallet is not going to change things a bit. WM doesn't care, neither does Target, et al. There are plenty of others to take my place and pay up. Yes I too would love to see more products made in the US, really made in the US and from US materials. The most recent PR scam is just that, scam. WM gets a bad rap for it, when JCP, Target, Sears and others are JUST AS GUILTY.
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