dplantz
join:2000-08-02
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Data caps and pricing will make or break this offeringDepending on pricing and data caps this service will sink or swim. 100gig a month for say unde 75 a month would be a great price for this service Verizon's home fusion service is too little data for the money to be much of a replacement for slow DSL or sat broadband offerings |
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FYIThat J pole is not properly mounted on the fascia board, how did this get past dish? |
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probably not inspected. |
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5meg5 meg is good start but subscribers want more than that. It won't take much to overload an LTE node. With advances in video technology from Netflix, Apple TV and others demand more bandwidth.
Gaming requires low latency that LTE cannot offer. Higher upload speeds are required for video monitoring systems.
Eventually the LTE business model will be in trouble like everything else that couldn't keep up unlicensed spectrum technology.
700 meg is real for devices now but not LTE.. Sorry. |
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applerule
Premium Member
join:2012-12-23
Northeast TN (Software) pfSense
ARRIS SB6183
Asus RT-N66
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LTE has lower latency than most DSL lines. I game on lte with under 100ms latency consistently.
This has the potential to be a great offering for those of us on severely oversubscribed sub 3meg DSL connections, overpriced lte/3g, or satellite.
This will never be able to compete with FIOS or cable options, but this is targeted towards people who don't have those options available. |
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 mixdup
join:2003-06-28
Alpharetta, GA |
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Why would LTE have higher latency than DSL? Even if it were inherently 10-50 ms higher than a DSL line, it's still worlds better than the guaranteed 500ms overhead that satellite internet has.
The whole key to this taking off is what are the caps. Pricing doesn't matter, speeds don't matter. Issue number one is caps. Then tell me how much it costs and how fast it is. |
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mixdup
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2013-Nov-26 10:00 pm
They are talking about 300-400 users on one cell site, and one 20mhz block of LTE supports, from everything I can tell, about 300mbit downstream. Hope everyone doesn't want to watch Netflix at night. |
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 linicxCaveat Emptor
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join:2002-12-03
United State |
linicx
Premium Member
2013-Nov-27 1:21 am
They've got to be kidding?5Mbps? I can already get 10/1 and 15/5 if I want it. Both telco are sharing the same FIOS to the plant. My copper is new. |
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 davoice
join:2000-08-12
Saxapahaw, NC |
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Re: FYIHave you SEEN some of the jackleg Dish contractor installs?! |
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 redxii
Mod
join:2001-02-26
Michigan
Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH2
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Re: 5megI get around -105dBm in LTE extended coverage, nothing else other than sat/dial-up. I easily get under 100ms to my favorite servers.
Only thing that blows is the caps and overage costs. That is why the telcos want to rip out their copper or not fix it when it breaks. |
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 tobyTroy Mcclure
join:2001-11-13
Seattle, WA |
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Re: They've got to be kidding?People in rural areas would be happy with 1Mbps.
They are not aiming for city customers who already have choices, obviously. |
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 CodeeCB
Premium Member
join:2001-10-01
Minneapolis, MN
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said by linicx:5Mbps? I can already get 10/1 and 15/5 if I want it. Both telco are sharing the same FIOS to the plant. My copper is new. 10/1 and 15/5? Are you kidding? I already have ~70/10 and can get get ~150/20 if I want. What you are missing is that while I have those speeds at home, Comcast doesn't have plant 110 Miles north of me at my cabin on the lake. So yes, 5Mbps looks EXCELLENT to people in rural areas who have satellite or 3g cellular if they're lucky. It's not all about you, and even it it was your 10/1 and 15/5 speeds would be miserable for by standard needs at my house. |
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Re: FYIyes, which is the irony |
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linicxCaveat Emptor
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join:2002-12-03
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Re: They've got to be kidding?I agree 100%. The speeds you have at home are only a dream where I live. It will never happen because there are not enough residents in the county to support that type of upgrade. Even the local hospital is on 10/1 because the landline is more reliable than cable Voip. If it was not for the hospital we would have a whopping 1.5 down and consider ourselves lucky. Cable would not offer anything except entertainment. . |
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Re: 5megThat actually doesn't sound bad, so they'd essentially be overselling by a factor of 5. If they did proper traffic shaping you'd be guaranteed at least ~1Mbps. Add on caps (hopefully reasonable) and you shouldn't have many users perpetually downloading stuff.
Even more, start considering Dish had additional spectrum and they can potentially double the capacity per tower or more. Looking at it that way and you can certainly see a future in which rural users are well served by wireless internet as more spectrum from the carriers is used for LTE and beyond. |
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That's... Exactly what cable ISPs offer. Hundreds on a node that only has a few hundred mbit/s at best. |
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less speed, more capI rather them offer a slower but enjoyable speed and bump up the cap so we can actually use the service without feeling like theres a gun pointed at our heads.. Theres no point in all these fast speeds with these pathetic caps and overages.. Specially with them still charging the same monthly fee's that a couple years ago let us have unlimited usages |
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Re: 5megTWC modes are fiber fed I'm pretty sure in the 1-2Gig per node |
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mixdup
join:2003-06-28
Alpharetta, GA |
mixdup
Member
2013-Dec-1 10:22 pm
said by anon202 :TWC modes are fiber fed I'm pretty sure in the 1-2Gig per node That's not how cable works. Cable is restricted by the bandwidth on the coax side of the node. It depends on how many individual QAM256 channels they dedicate to DOCSIS. Each one represents ~30mbit shared. That's why channel bonding, even if you don't have a high throughput package, is important. You get to "share" a bigger pipe, even if you're on a 15mbit package. |
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