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jtel join:2005-06-28 Bristol, RI
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Tit for TatIn the wake of the NSA scandal China has directed Chinese companies to 'buy China made goods'. | |
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amarryatVerizon FiOS join:2005-05-02 Marshfield, MA
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In the meantime, the NSA continues violating our privacyAnd no one in DC seems to care
In Huawei's case, there is no evidence of spying, nor is there evidence of lying. In the case regarding our government, the opposite is true on both counts. | |
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SimbaSevenI Void Warranties join:2003-03-24 Billings, MT ·StarLink
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Sounds like a win....for Cisco. The less competition, the better. *sigh*
Maybe Huawei denied the NSA to insert the NSA spyware into their routers, so the NSA created a "controversy" and threw Huawei right in the middle of it.
As for Cisco, I wonder if they were all for it if the price was right. I mean less competition and a few million (or billion) dollars to add a "feature" for the NSA? Seems like a good deal.
Also, Huawei offered full access to it's source code. Let's see Cisco do the same. | |
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Re: Sounds like a win..said by SimbaSeven:Maybe Huawei denied the NSA to insert the NSA spyware into their routers, so the NSA created a "controversy" and threw Huawei right in the middle of it. That was my guess all along. Whether Huawei had "Chinese spy code" or not, the NSA probably couldn't get THEIR code into the hardware so it had to be thwarted by any means necessary. | |
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well - if any is true. I would assume that the NSA would NOT want to have that talk with Huawei as that would have tipped their hat.. no? | |
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pende_tim Premium Member join:2004-01-04 Selbyville, DE
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I Can Understand the ProblemThe "security" people in the USA don't want Huawei gear with the Huawei operating code. THey are afraid of China Spying on us.
THEY WANT TO INSTALL NSA's OWN SPY CODE! | |
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2013-Dec-3 9:46 am
The real message......is that the USA is no longer a market worth pursuing - too many hassles, too little profit, conniving competitors and government. This is a sad commentary on the state of the US. | |
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2013-Dec-3 9:52 am
Re: The real message...Best news I ever heard. Huawei out of the US wireless market, awesome! All their equipment is the result of corporate espionage anyway. Then they get it built by the slaves that work in their factories in China, so they can undercut the US and European competitors on price. | |
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2013-Dec-3 10:22 am
Re: The real message...said by ciucca:Best news I ever heard. Huawei out of the US wireless market, awesome! All their equipment is the result of corporate espionage anyway. Then they get it built by the slaves that work in their factories in China, so they can undercut the US and European competitors on price. I agree. China has just resumed their military expansionism by moving in to seas and islands of Japan & S. Korea. Better to withdraw assets from US before seized by US during the conflict that is coming soon. | |
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and FoxxCon is any better??? | |
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Re: The real message...FoxxCon is a Taiwanese company so in that way it is better. | |
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Hasnt america been slaving the world and doing the same thing for decades...? Only because someone is getting better at america's game now becomes problem... Dont hate the player, hate the game... | |
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2013-Dec-3 10:05 pm
Re: The real message...Well technically the US made the game when it rebuilt the world from carpet bombed rubble. | |
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KOakaKO
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2013-Dec-4 9:24 am
Re: The real message...You do realize that China was an ally of the U.S. in WWII, right? It was Japan that was carpet-bombed and not China... | |
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YDC join:2007-11-13 Hewlett, NY |
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2013-Dec-3 10:22 am
Agreed goodEven if all that is said is true and they are innocent, we now get a chance to use a US company over them. They undercut prices so much to get market share that we as a country lose, and our dollars go overseas to boot! We need a lot more "made in the USA" tags! Thanks Huawei! See ya later! | |
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| Ignite Premium Member join:2004-03-18 UK |
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2013-Dec-3 11:52 am
Re: Agreed goodAre Cisco manufacturing all of their equipment in the USA now?
Wow. | |
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2013-Dec-3 5:04 pm
Re: Agreed goodNo but at least they are a US company. | |
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Re: Agreed goodYeah, but they keep their foreign profits offshore to avoid US tax. So there's not all that much net benefit to the US economy. | |
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Lol...US company in name only. If given two choices, spend $300 on Cisco products and have $50 find its way back into the US economy, or $50 on Huawei products and HAVE $250 left over to potentially spend on the US economy. I think the US would be better off. Most US businesses aren't helping out the American cause all that much. US is in name only. | |
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Perhaps thought of in the USA is more appropriate .. lol | |
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2013-Dec-3 12:39 pm
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I don't even think the manuals are printed in the USA with Cisco equipment. Last 50 occasions I have used/seen/worked with Cisco hardware, it was sourced in SE Asia, if not China 80% of the time.
I assume that since they "manufacture" the Cisco parts in China, there are plenty of opportunities for things to be modified on a system, that we may not know about today. I don't see why an additional item cannot be added to firmware, or possibly on a capacitor that was modded before it was installed on a board, by another company that works with the Red state. Paranoid thinking, but 100% possibly and most likely has and is happening on enterprise systems being assembled in China.
Don't you think that China knows that Cisco runs major networks around the world, and the ability to have a tap into it, would be beneficial to them. How about how much data is stored in the NSA Utah data center, on EMC, NetApp, and IBM disk arrays that are made in China(some eastern bloc also) -- I am quite sure that our Chinese *friends* are very well aware what kind of power they would have, if they could access that data in any form. | |
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NSA Exiting the US Market?Can Huawei take the NSA with them? (exit the U.S. Market) -TimJ | |
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Re: NSA Exiting the US Market?The only difference between the NSA and the Chinese intelligence apparatus (not necessarily Huawei) is that the Chinese are better at hunting down and killing their potential Edward Snodens. | |
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Re: NSA Exiting the US Market?There is no chinese Edward Sondens because what Edward post about NSA is nothing what we dont know about the Chinese intelligence agency. | |
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silbaco Premium Member join:2009-08-03 USA |
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2013-Dec-3 3:30 pm
HuaweiI don't understand how Huawei can be so bad, but when I went to vote in the 2012 election and all the machines with voter information ran on Lenovo laptops, no one cared. | |
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2013-Dec-3 5:07 pm
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2013-Dec-3 4:17 pm
Witch hunt.The entire ordeal has been nothing but a witch hunt. There's no solid evidence that Huawei is doing the Chinese government's bidding. Our government just wants to make a Chinese company the convenient scapegoat to deflect criticisms from their own state spy apparatuses. Welcome to your dystopian future. | |
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2013-Dec-3 5:16 pm
Huawei Gives Up On Trying to Convince U.S. It's Not a SpyThey should have proposed to LA that they would expand and build the (just recently proposed) city of LA network, that all the plutocrats panned and critisized!
Once ten million people had really good connections, all the redneck spy stories would have been seen as the garbage from hillbilly heaven they really were. Result: GREAT internet (+video+all other services) for LA and well deserved big bucks for Huawei. A good oportunity gone to waste to benefit Barry Bubba (ans all the other currupt politicians) and his buddies! | |
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2013-Dec-3 5:55 pm
A sad day...When a company pulls out of a competitive market due to innuendo and politics. I haven't seen any reports about their gear being invasive, just the rumors.
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To me the saddest partHuawei U.S. = Americans with good jobs to sell and support it here. Now those jobs are gone. Thanks Washington, we NEED to throw away good jobs.
One step closer to MickeyD's and Wally World being the best paying employers in the U.S. | |
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2013-Dec-4 4:54 pm
Re: To me the saddest partYeah, don't you love the way the MSM credits the Obama admin with all this job creation and lowering the unemployment rate, but in the same breath they refuse to acknowledge most of these new jobs are shitty, part-time positions? | |
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2013-Dec-8 5:48 pm
Re: To me the saddest partBlame the republicans for killing off the unions, when there where strong unions in this country unemployment was very low and almost all of it was full time. | |
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