Anon | Re: PPPoE & PacBell
Why did PPPoE come into existence if it is so crappy? I just ordered PacBell DSL and I hope to God they don't use PPPoE. I've never used it, but it sounds like a pain! Why would someone want to have to dial in to an always-on connection? Are there any ways around it and what are the chances of it going away anytime soon?
-david lindsay
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Anon | I have Earthlink and they use PPPOE (winpoet). It is kind of a pain because i really would like an "always on connection" and the PPPOE really limits my sharing capabilites. (very few hardware nat/firewall/sharing boxes support pppoe) Also Winpoet doesnt have a "connect at startup option" but i think some other pppoe clients might.
I have heard some reports that Pacbell does use pppoe (enternet client i believe). Anyone else hear this? |
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Anon | I have Pacbell enhanced DSL, and it does NOT use PPPoE. However their basic service does. I talked to one of their techs the other day to confirm this. And let me tell ya, they are NOT EVEN CLOSE to happy about it.. All of the techs seem to HATE it. |
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Anon | Re: PPPoE
DRAT! Unbinding TCP/IP from the NIC didn't solve my spontaneous disconnection problems.
When I moved into my new house a couple of months ago, I had to change from the reliable static IP "black Westell modem" I had at my condo to the DHCP "white Westell modem" that's used by the central office near my house.
Well, the "white modem" has been nothing but trouble since Day One, with spontaneous disconnects every couple of minutes... much more frequent than the 10 minutes reported above. I've also spent countless hours on the phone waiting on hold to speak to *clueless* Bell Atlantic technicians.
When I saw this article, I got all excited that salvation was at hand. I immediately went to Network 'Hood and saw that TCP/IP was indeed bound to my network adapter, so I unbound it and rebooted. Sadly, I still get "das Boot" every few minutes... the unbinding seemed to have no effect.
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Anon | Hello,
I have DSL with ameritech, and I am pretty sure that they use PPPoE (they use an ATM card that has to log onto the network like a fast dial-up connection, I guess that's PPPoE).
It bugged me for a little while, because I had a cable modem before this, and that was straight to an Ethernet NIC. That seemed to be the most flexible way to go.
Anyway, I was annoyed by the "dial-up" aspect of it all, and the way that I solved it is by putting it on my wifes machine, and using Sygate (which I was using with the cable modem anyway).
Now, I don't see the dial-up part of the connection, and it feels more like an always on connection.
The other thing that I did was install a keep alive utility on my wifes machine, but I unistalled that after a while, because I really had no need to keep the connection constantly on, and it was safer to have it log off (like an added form of protection).
I havn't had any login problems or any random disconnect problems. I do notice that the threshold for disconnecting is pretty short, like 10 minutes of inactivity.
Other than that, the connection has been smooth, reliable, and as fast as I am paying for for the entire time I have had it.
-Mike |
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Anon | I have WinPoet and hate it. When my term is up I will switch to a static IP ISP. Why?
1. WinPoet will lock up my brand new Win98 SE 733Mhz HP 100% of the time within 24 hours necessitating a reboot. Usually after 10-12 I must reboot, that is if I don't just lock up. Thankfully this is a personal not a business computer. I somehow think it is NOT an Intel, Hewlett-Packard nor Microsoft problem as everything else works fine (apps, games, musicmatch, CDR, DVD etc.). Remaining factor : WinPoet.
2. WinPoet requires me to log on after these daily reboots. I was sold "always on" service. Then why do I have to logon to get it to work (DSL dialup looks JUST like regular modem dialup but takes only about 3 sec., unless you have to do it again, and again...)? I must keep track of names, passwords and all that good stuff. Then reboot and try again if I mistype something. "WinPoet Preserves the dialup experience" my butt. Always-on does not mean logon! I'm just waiting until I get a DSL busy signal or whatever when they run out of IP's like dialup runs out of modems on Sat. night (hey it's happened to me on Mindspring and A-NET, as well as all the freebies).
Why would my ISP make me use this crappy software?
A) To enable oversubscription of IP addresses. (Although I recycle mine to keep at least ONE of theirs allocated to me 24/7)!
B) Bandwidth metering (by time, or MB). Seems like a fair concept but I resent the back-door sneaky setup approach the WinPoet (drug) dealers use. Whatcha wanna bet that sometime they unilaterally inform users (via an unexpectedly higher bill that month) that they've been moved up to the "enhanced", more expensive, metered dialup service that was sold in writing as "always on" but obviously is not.
Do you want to see something funny? Ask the ISP what advantages there are for YOU to use WinPoet. It's like asking a minister "How is it OK to blow people away just because I'm in the army?". They stammer like a parent asked about sex by their kid!
Remember : WinPoet = BAD |
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willardk
Mod 2000-03
join:1999-12-02
Jackson Heights, NY | reply to Anon
nope its PPPoA
different implemetation...even less common than PPPoE.
Will |
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Anon | Re: PPPoE
Bellsouth's new PPPoE was a terrible experience using the "NTS EnterNet 300 connect software" to pass a userID and password. The setup of EnterNet 300 on Windows NT 4 did not work at all. Has anyone had any luck with a firewall/router that supports PPPoE to pass the UserID and password? |
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Anon | I really hate it for folks who are stuck with PPPoE (or, evern flakier, PPPoA.) It's problematic and buggy, in my opinion.
What I really hate is that the ISP I work for, among others, STILL heralds their service as "an always on connection". It is NOT always on for PPPoE customers. My bridged/DHCP connection is always on. Having to launch WinPoet to connect is NOT what people think they are being sold. Boo! |
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Anon | PacBell PPPoe is actually....
pretty good to excellent... funny thing is I only hear nightmare in the forum, but from my exp since 2/24/2000 with PacBell Basic DSL is totally awesome. I talked to their REP with about 3 & 5 mins waiting time and I also get result. The e-mail is a bit slow (20 sec delay), but I got everything I sent. No complaints about the newsgroup. I actually prefer winpoet over NTS, seem alot faster at connecting. Since then, I tested it on everything, i.e. stream multimedia at 300K..flawless D/L about 1 Gbytes in 1.2 hrs.
By the way, they gave me a Alcatel Home Touch Modem.The Rep says it's much better than Alcatel 1000 which give people disconnect and wasting bandwidth problem.
From what Pacbell installer told me is that PacBell was hacked, but I think it probably a lame excuse for not being prompt with everything.
One last thing, their POTS splitter is great, actually solves some of the distortion on my existing phone. |
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Anon | One more thing.. I also setup a LAN in my house, and DAMN! PPPoe can't be shared without using a router, but I think there must be a way around this pretty soon because all of the machines are able to log on when no one has logged on. There should be some way to check if it's logged ,and if it is, then use ICS and share the connection. Logically, this way we don't need to have one machine on all the time. Not really interested in Static IP, just wanna surf....Also to let people know that the modem is SPEED TOUCH HOME and there is also SPEED TOUCH PRO which also have ROUTER, firewall, and NAT support built in. The PRO, I think, also support PPPoe, but I could be wrong. PacBell do not offer this modem as an option, but you always can ask. |
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Anon | reply to Anon
Re: PPPoE & PacBell
Well...you must have at least 5 PC connected for that 5 STATIC IP you paid for. By the way, how is th D/L speed is like when you have 5 PC D/Ling simultaneously with a max 6Mbits account. |
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Anon | reply to Anon
Re: PPPoE
Sadly, your problem may not be internal. Before trying anything else, though, try reinstalling your Bellatlantic software right over the existing install - that worked for me. Once I was started, my service has functioned flawlessly. BUT, I had to wait an extra week because BA was installing a new "red" router at my station - apparently the old router was unreliable and caused frequent disconnects. Next time you have a couple of hours, call BA and ask to have your inquiry kicked upstairs until reach you reach a level of tech support where they can answer this sort of question. Once you reach this level, the support is excellent, but I am not kidding about the wait time.
Also, for networking, two NICs and All Aboard has worked great for me, and I have not changed any TCP/IP bindings, although I have not tried games on the internet from either machine on my LAN.
My only complaints now are the LONG boot time while the computer searches for the DHCP server, and little boxes that ask if you want to close the connections when you exit the browser. Closing the connection is good security, but so is BlackICE which I installed. |
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Anon | Windows 2K WinPoet Bell Atlantic DSL
Hi all. I am having difficulty running my Bell Atlantic DSL line on Windows 2K. I have no problems with Win98. I downloaded the new WinPoet 2.0 but still can't get it running. I get a message saying that iVasion adapter not installed, as I am installing it! Any ideas? Help! Thank you.
Chris |
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Anon | Re: PPPoE
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I was about to take my ADSL modem and fling it across the room the next time I hung in the middle of playing Unreal Tournement or had to wait a minute to a minute and a half for a web page to refresh.
Now (with all the necessary tweeks from Speedguide.net - do them, you'll be amazed) I am surfing like never before. Did a download test from Microsoft (Links LS 2000 Demo - a 42MB file) and did it in under 5 minutes (MS appears to be geared for high speed links).
My only beef with the service had been with this "sleeping modem" problem and once TCP/IP was "unbound" everything is a ok.
Thanks again to whomever found this fix, you saved me more aggravation than you know.
FYI - anyone looking for a great personal firewall solution that is free to boot check out www.zonelabs.com. This is a work in progress but you'll be amazed the number of port scans I receive every hour not to mention all the unauthorized requests software on your PC makes. We are even looking into implementing and enforcing it for all our users in our organization who have xDXL or Cable and are dialing in to our VPDN (Virtual Private Domain Network).
The ADSL experience is great. The ATM one will be better, especially once they lightup all that Dark Fiber that runs right by our homes! |
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Anon | reply to Anon
Re: Windows 2K WinPoet Bell Atlantic DSL
Download the work in progress PPPoE 2000 software at »user.cs.tu-berlin.de/%7Enormanb/. I installed it on the Retail version of W2K Pro and it works fine. The W2K registry still needs to be tweeked to obtain the same performance as Win 98 (I have yet to try the TCP/IP unbinding trick, but it will probably make a difference as well).
Good Luck! |
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Anon | reply to Anon
Re: PPPoE
You can use the ISB2LAN. See my site below. For Windows NT you needed EnterNet 300 V1.3 which few are shipping, it is relatively new, also see my site below.
Bob
»www.carricksolutions.com/pppoe.htm |
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Anon | reply to Anon
Re: PPPoE & PacBell
I got Pacbell ADSL installed yesterday and Yes on the basic service they use PPPoE. I had a few problems wuth the service locking up. I'm getting about 30-45KB/s download speeds. I thinking of upgrading to the 5 Static IP address for $90 a month. |
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Anon | reply to Anon
Re: PPPoE & PacBell...the answer.
PPPoE came into being, really, for a number of reasons. I read the writeup on it over at the www.redbacknetworks.com website. PPPoE was jointly developed between RedBack and UUNet.
Despite the problems with it noted on this board, it's existence is really helping to spread the usage and adoption of xDSL formats. Why? Because most people (not power users, but everyday folks) would NOT go to the bother of having to configure ATM adapters and other kinds of arcane configuration setups for DSL.
PPPoE allows users --Windows users-- to use the familiar Dial-Up-Networking interface that they've used since Win95 came into being. There's very little configuration that has to be done by the user in this scenario.
Yes, it also allows ISP's the ability to proportion their bandwidth with much more flexibility than static, dedicated circuits. In other words, in the dedicated circuit configuration, the bandwidth is always provided whether it's being used or not. This is a MUCH more expensive way of doing business, and really is cost-prohibitive for most ISPs. With PPPoe using the "dial-up" scenario, bandwidth can be traffic-managed more effectively. In other words, smaller bandwidth allocations can be made for the same number of users because each circuit is not dedicated. This is how analog dial-up service works.
Of course, ISP's have to carefully note what their peak demands are going to be and purchase bandwidth accordingly. Nothing will tee-off customers more than not having the bandwidth they've been promised when they need it. Cable already suffers from this, as it is a shared medium.
I don't understand why the complaints about not being "always on" is troublesome...If you have your pc running, and have dialed up with PPPoE, then you're on until you quit or shutdown. What good is it doing you to have a connection that's on with a pc that's off?
For those who complain about password saving, etc., and no auto-connects...here's a couple of options:
"Gator" www.gator.com --a great, free utility for keeping track of names/addresses/passwords, etc.
"Push the Freakin Button"...a great FREE utility
that will "push" dialog buttons for you automatically, like "Connect", etc. I use it to totally automate file downloads and many other functions. Great for dismissing shareware nag screens, too.
»hotfiles.zdnet.com/cgi-bin/texis···ry=Utili ties&DispSubcategory=System+Utilities&DispTitle=Push+The+Freakin%27+Button%21&refresh_url= ftp%3A//zdftp.zdnet.com/pub/private/sWlIB/utilities/system_utilities/freakinb.zip&Fcode=00 0Q4I&Category=utilities&Subcategory=system_utilities&b=
You can use PTFB to autoconnect the WinPoet for you, assuming it will save your logon/password.
I would encourage everyone to go to the www.redbacknetworks.com website and read the PPPoE faq. It doesn't mean you'll have to like it, but you will come away knowing why, from an economic and aesthetic standpoint, it's being adopted. You'll see how existing local/regional ISP's can use it to remain competitive with the larger national types on price. It allows them to keep the dialup model they already have in effect for their analog customers. And you'll understand why BellAtlantic and others are adopting the RedBack router system. It utilizes a management system for billing as well as all the data traffic it handles/routes. WindRiver wrote the WinPoet software in conjunction with RedBack and UUNet. |
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Anon | reply to Anon
Re: Windows 2K WinPoet Bell Atlantic DSL
To install Winpoet 2 in Win2K.. install winpoet as normal... then go to Control Panel and "Add new hardware" choose to add a network adapter and then choose "Have disk" and point to the .inf file in the folder that u installed Winpoet. it'll add the Ivasion adapter. Reboot, and create a new Connection in the network control panel and choose to "dial up to a private network"... keep going through the setup of a connection and when it asks u for a phone num put in anything like (000-0000 hehe this looks funny when it's dialing). After u have it setup, u can logon using the Dialer for Win2K using Winpoet... works excellent |
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