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Chaos?I know it's spelt different (kaos) but it looks like the cone of silence still works |
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63475675 (banned)
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2014-Jan-7 1:46 pm
The NSA is a criminal treasonous and tyrannical organization which constantly has been violating our 4th Amendment Constitutional rights, anything that can hinder and obstruct it should be praised. |
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w0g
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2014-Jan-7 1:50 pm
signals intelligence public rhetorical cover upsIncentive to use brain reading technology on people, anyone? The NSA goes crazy if there's anyone or thing they don't have access to. Remember, NSA is just trying to push for legal access to things it probably already has access to. Their ELINT satellites can surely track a moving plane and it's signals.. Don't expect any public statements to be legit complaints or requests, but filler or requests to get legal authorization for more power for things they're already doing. Or just rhetorical cover ups. Learn more on NSA space/brain reading capability and SIGINT at: » www.oregonstatehospital. ··· ebl.html (space capability being used on Americans, confirmed by whistleblower Russell Tice on RT/Breaking the Set (videos on this site)). |
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Re: Chaos?The NSA is doing exactly what they have been tasked to do leave NO stone unturned in the search for enemies of the USA. If you don't like it, convince the congress and president to change the tasking. said by 63475675: anything that can hinder and obstruct it should be praised. THAT would be a waste of taxpayer money, modify or end it's mission, don't pay it to waste time. |
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Re: signals intelligence public rhetorical cover upsRemind me again how the United States is the beacon of Hope freedom and all that is democratic?
How is this mass surveillance of anyone and everything not a violation of our human rights?
The world needs to black list the US from the Internet blacklist the companies involved who have back doors for the NSA and refuse any sort of access to the Internet for the US and its zombie companies until they can learn to play nice.
As for the business of tapping under water Fiber cables well their little toy the USS Jimmy Carter needs to be sunk because its use is a crime against humanity and promotes terrorism |
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(Software) Sophos UTM Home Edition
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WhenDo we get to hear about NSA spying actually paying off?
Preventing an attack. Stopping Crimes. Maybe turning in Corrupt politicians?
To me a citizen here's what The NSA looks like:
It's a giant money hole where I'm paying to have my privacy violated, the integrity of communication ruined, the quality of the internet in question, and a waste of natural and human resources. |
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Didn't you hear about those 50 terrorist attacks that were thwarted? You know, the ones where apparently no one was arrested and no announcement was made at the time because, you know, the government wouldn't want to brag about stopping 50 attacks. I guess they didn't want to tip off the terrorists that they had foiled their plans...except the terrorists would have known that, since their plans were foiled. But you know, we aren't supposed to understand how all this super-secret stuff works, so don't think about it too much. |
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NSAalive to 63475675
Anon
2014-Jan-7 2:41 pm
to 63475675
Re: Chaos?said by 63475675:The NSA is a criminal treasonous and tyrannical organization which constantly has been violating our 4th Amendment Constitutional rights, anything that can hinder and obstruct it should be praised. An organization that is keeping you alive. |
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Re: WhenYou mean the 50 terrorists waving the Alqaida flag who are supplied with arms by the CIA? then ya i heard lol |
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None of those attacks were prevented because of the PRISM program, though. Spying on Americans has yielded zilch, other than the ability for government to spy on all our thoughts and personal information, allowing for them to control and feed us misinformation that's designed for us to believe more accurately than ever before. The 702 international program apparently prevented a few "would be" attacks, but it's a measure that cannot be confirmed - who knows if the "attacks" would have happened or not had the government not "acted"? » yro.slashdot.org/story/1 ··· -attacksquote:
According to a member of the White House panel that recently called for the NSA's metadata-collection program to be curtailed, that program has not stopped any terrorist actions at all. This runs counter to the stories we've heard for months, which claimed as many as fifty prevented attacks. 'Stone declined to comment on the accuracy of public statements by U.S. intelligence officials about the telephone collection program, but said that when they referred to successes they seemed to be mixing the results of domestic metadata collection with the intelligence derived from the separate, and less controversial, NSA program, known as 702, to intercept communications overseas.
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DanteX
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2014-Jan-7 3:04 pm
They have to make use of that super computer in Utah somehow dont they? The super computer is capable of building profiles on each and everyone of us from our shopping habits to how many times to we sext or how many times we try to evade phone calls from an annoying family member. its all in there profiled just like the movie "Enemy of The State. |
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Re: Chaos?you are joking - right? |
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An anologyAn analogy I came up with is. There is a public restroom in a restaurant and the manger is the ISP. There is a voyeur (NSA) who wants to install cameras that route to his home computer so that he may do sick sexual stuff with the videos. The manager declines and tells him no and the voyeur throws a temper tantrum like a little child who is too used too being allowed to do what he wants. In the case of the NSA, they are too used to being allowed to monitor the public. |
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Re: Chaos?The gov't CANNOT task them to VIOLATE the
4th Amendment of the US Constitution. PERIOD.
Any thing that VIOLATES the supreme law of the land
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Nonsense.
The U.S. Government has created this situation from the beginning by meddling in other nations business.
I guess you don't remember the 1953 CIA backed coup in Iran called TPAJAX Project.
That is a crime. |
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CXM_SplicerLooking at the bigger picture
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The is a very fine line between humor and delusion. |
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said by tshirt:The NSA is doing exactly what they have been tasked to do
leave NO stone unturned in the search for enemies of the USA. Not according to one of the authors of the bill: » sensenbrenner.house.gov/ ··· D=360167In an interview last week with The Washington Post, Sensenbrenner said that if Congress had known what the NSA planned to do, the Patriot Act would not have passed — and he wouldn't have supported it.
"What the NSA has done, with the concurrence of both the Bush and Obama administrations, is completely forgotten about the guarantees of civil liberties that those of us who helped write the Patriot Act in 2001 and the reauthorization in 2005 and 2006 had written the law to prevent from happening," he said.said by tshirt: If you don't like it, convince the congress and president to change the tasking. In his 2007 while campaigning for the Democrat nominations for President, Obama said this in a speech: » www.cfr.org/elections/ob ··· r/p13974I will provide our intelligence and law enforcement agencies with the tools they need to track and take out the terrorists without undermining our Constitution and our freedom.
That means no more illegal wire-tapping of American citizens. No more national security letters to spy on citizens who are not suspected of a crime. No more tracking citizens who do nothing more than protest a misguided war. No more ignoring the law when it is inconvenient. That is not who we are. And it is not what is necessary to defeat the terrorists. The FISA court works. The separation of powers works. Our Constitution works. We will again set an example for the world that the law is not subject to the whims of stubborn rulers, and that justice is not arbitrary.He told his supporters what they wanted to hear, then turned around and did the exact opposite: escalated domestic spying. Obama signed a reauthorization of the Patriot Act in 2011, despite objections from members of his own party: » www.washingtonpost.com/p ··· ory.htmlWyden said there is a growing gap between what the law says and what the senators call a classified interpretation of the law by the Justice Department.
Udall said his constituents “would be alarmed if they knew” how the Patriot Act was being carried out.
Sen. Jeff Merkley of Oregon complained that “the government won’t even tell the American people how it interprets these provisions, or whether it sees any limits on its authority at all.” Sen. Tom Udall of New Mexico said almost 10 years after the Patriot Act’s passage, “we still haven’t had the debate that we need to have on this piece of legislation.”Do you really think the Obama administration is going to listen to citizens? Their NSA has already been caught lying to Congress: » www.theblaze.com/stories ··· roneous/Last month, in an interview with NBC News after revelations about the program, Clapper said: “I responded in what I thought was the most truthful, or least untruthful, manner” – because the program was classified.It was wrong when Bush did it, and it is doubly so when Obama continues, after promising to stop it. |
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KearnstdSpace Elf
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to NSAalive
said by NSAalive :said by 63475675:The NSA is a criminal treasonous and tyrannical organization which constantly has been violating our 4th Amendment Constitutional rights, anything that can hinder and obstruct it should be praised. An organization that is keeping you alive. They are? No sorry that is people like Police and Fire... And in the current weather the gas and power company is keeping more people alive than the NSA ever will. the NSA has never saved anybody or we would get told about it by a talking head feeding us feel good information that our tax dollars are "not being wasted". |
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Re: WhenYep, and how long will it be until some new social movement comes along that threatens the status quo, and then some juicy tidbits of information will magically appear to discredit it? Either they'll be from an anonymous source, or they'll be from an "ongoing law enforcement investigation". After all, if someone has access to all the details of your life, they're going to be able to get _something_ to embarrass you. |
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NSAalive to 63475675
Anon
2014-Jan-7 5:11 pm
to 63475675
Re: Chaos?said by 63475675:Any thing that VIOLATES the supreme law of the land
(US Constitution) is automatically null and void. The Supreme Court is the Supreme law of the land and NOT the Constitution. It is they who decide what the Constitution means or doesn't mean - NOT YOU. And they say NSA spying is LEGAL. |
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63475675 (banned)
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2014-Jan-7 5:32 pm
Wrong.
Not EVEN the Supreme Court can order anything that
VIOLATES the SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND, which is
the US Constitution.
This simply means that the Supreme Court is GUILTY
of TREASON.
This action allows for the citizens to invoke the Second Amendment to remove those guilty of tyranny and treason. |
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hmmIt's really amazing how many people know so much about politics and our government and can offer insight and direction. These threads are borderline hilarious >.> |
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vpoko
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2014-Jan-7 5:42 pm
I don't buy itI wouldn't be surprised if the NSA planted this story so that people would think they don't have access to in-flight communications. This exclusion seems very suspect given their other, well-known capabilities. |
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NSAalive to Kearnstd
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2014-Jan-7 5:49 pm
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Re: Chaos?said by Kearnstd:[
the NSA has never saved anybody or we would get told about it by a talking head feeding us feel good information that our tax dollars are "not being wasted". Yes they have: » www.heritage.org/researc ··· n-terror» en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li ··· ost-9/11» www.feinstein.senate.gov ··· edc62cef |
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said by NSAalive :said by 63475675:Any thing that VIOLATES the supreme law of the land
(US Constitution) is automatically null and void. The Supreme Court is the Supreme law of the land and NOT the Constitution. It is they who decide what the Constitution means or doesn't mean - NOT YOU. And they say NSA spying is LEGAL. read the constitution on the powers of congress. they NEVER had the power to pass that law, as a matter of fact, most laws passed by congress go outside the scope of powers invested in congress.. |
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Re: I don't buy itI agree, their skulduggery has no bounds apparently.
Diversion is one of their tools. |
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CXM_SplicerLooking at the bigger picture
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to vpoko
They also neglect to mention that the other end of the call is completely accessible to them... unless both parties are in airplanes  They can also get the metadata from the carriers after the fact if that's all they wanted (since it goes through the PSTN eventually). This story suggests they want real-time access to the communications, something the excusists still insist they aren't doing. |
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2014-Jan-7 6:56 pm
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Re: Chaos?said by iknow_t:read the constitution on the powers of congress. they NEVER had the power to pass that law, as a matter of fact, most laws passed by congress go outside the scope of powers invested in congress.. Unless you're willing to take up arms to enforce YOUR version of the Constitution and not the Supreme Courts version, then you are stuck with the version decided by the 3rd Arm of Government - the Supreme Court. But we know that won't happen. Talking in a forum isn't the same as actually enforcing YOUR version with action. |
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openbox9
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Interpretation of the Constitution is what the SCOTUS exists for. |
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So you acknowledge that the US Constitution IS the
Supreme Law of The Land and that because the gov't has VIOLATED Constitutional Law (4th Amendment) , We The People have the legal right mandated by the Supreme Law of The Land to remedy the tyranny and treasonous actions by the gov't by use of the 2nd Amendment, which allows for
us to forcibly remove those tyrants.
It is "THE" legally binding FINAL LAW as provided by OUR FOUNDING FATHERS in the US CONSTITUTION. |
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