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Comments on news posted 2014-02-04 10:23:17: Cable overbuilder Grande Communications recently announced that it would be revising its internet tier speeds and pricing (for both internet-only and bundled service) for residential users across its footprint, which includes parts of Austin, San Ant.. ..

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netrixtardis

join:2013-01-08
San Antonio, TX
reply to RWSI

Re: What is the catch

The catch - Live in an area serviced by Grande... in San Antonio... that isn't a whole lot of places...

BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH

Not bad

Looks like excellent pricing. Something has to be done about the internet bundling, as it's not only hurt cord cutters, of which there are relatively few, but it's extremely anti-competitive against DirecTV and DISH, as in most markets, you have pay a ton extra to get fast internet and satellite TV.


TAZ

join:2014-01-03
Tucson, AZ
kudos:3

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reply to DataRiker

Re: What is the catch

said by DataRiker:

Upgrading edge routers is easy. Upgrading the last mile is not. If and when Google needs capacity it can easily be upgraded.

Sure. Just like DSL in fact.

said by DataRiker:

That difference is spectacularly significant, and your attempt to minimize it is both obvious and sad.

What are you talking about?

BTW, I'm pro-GFiber; you seem to think this is some attack on it. It's not. There's nothing wrong with any of this. This is simply how residential connections are (and that's good because otherwise the cost would be significantly higher).

I'm responding to this:

said by RWSI:

In our world $3 dollars a meg is the real cost for a true connection.

He's referring to dedicated circuits where capacity is actually reserved within the ISP's network. Indeed, those could be in the $3/Mbps (95th-percentile) range. (Of course, it all varies depending on who the ISP is, as well as commits. Premium carriers would be within that area while bulk/lower-end carriers are more in the $1 area.)

GFiber is a residential service. The last mile capacity is dedicated, just as DSL is (does anyone want to make that comparison?), but within their network it's not. In fact I'm willing to bet the access layer itself is oversubscribed.

And that's why GFiber has AUP restrictions on things like servers (with the "home server" exception), while this $3/Mbps dedicated circuit we're speaking of does not.


cork1958
Cork
Premium
join:2000-02-26
reply to borka

Re: great prices

I'd be happy to have those choices of tiers also, let alone the prices, but unfortunately I live in the land of a 2 tier only, take it or leave attitude that is Charter!

Their 50/5 plan is $5 cheaper and 1M up faster than Charters even!!
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notoz

@grandenetworks.net
reply to alexintexas

Re: What difference does this make for anyone?????

Here in Corpus they are in more homes than apartments, basically they are our best alternative to TWC. I am typing this in my house on Grande's 50 mbps tier.


DataRiker
Premium
join:2002-05-19
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reply to TAZ

Re: What is the catch

said by TAZ:

Sure. Just like DSL in fact.

Almost. I used to work on DSL. On our newest VDSL you are aggregated before the edge router with all of our xDSL at the co-location, and then sent via fiber to another co-location with backbone. ( really depends on your area )

xDSL customers had it worse. Almost all of our line cards were failing and ancient, which means we cram them full. Definitely way oversold before the edge.

That combined with the fact that the vast majority of our xDSL customers received less than 3.0 mbit/s would make for a bad comparison.

This myth really came about because xDSL was never really oversold to the extent of cable simply because it under delivered by a wide margin.

You definitely see wild shifts in speeds on xDSL these days with our setup.

clocks11

join:2002-05-06
00000

I'd be all over that $60 bundle

Shocked it includes HD, DVR, etc . at that price. That would be all I need, some basic tv and a fast net connection for a decent price.


TAZ

join:2014-01-03
Tucson, AZ
kudos:3
reply to DataRiker

Re: What is the catch

said by DataRiker:

Almost. I used to work on DSL. On our newest VDSL you are aggregated before the edge router with all of our xDSL at the co-location, and then sent via fiber to another co-location with backbone. ( really depends on your area )

But I'm not referring to that. I'm referring specifically to the customer circuit. DSL is dedicated in that aspect, and so is GFiber with dedicated GigE runs to each user. (In other words, point-to-point networks.)

It's of course possible for the access layer uplinks to be congested (happens all the time, in fact), but that is the same whether we're talking about DSL or GFiber. I suspect GFiber has ample capacity going to their access switches, so this isn't likely to be an issue, but the same can apply for properly-managed DSL.

said by DataRiker:

xDSL customers had it worse. Almost all of our line cards were failing and ancient, which means we cram them full. Definitely way oversold before the edge.

I assume by "line card" you're referring to a DSLAM chassis as a whole.

DSLAM uplinks being congested happens, but that's an issue with poor network management.

said by DataRiker:

This myth really came about because xDSL was never really oversold to the extent of cable simply because it under delivered by a wide margin.

It's not really a myth, it's just creative advertising. Telcos like to use it in their DSL vs. cable attack ads. It's technically true in that (as we've established) the DSL circuit is dedicated (a point-to-point connection) while a cable network is point-to-multipoint and hence shared between everyone on the node. They just conveniently forget to mention the access layer (i.e. the DSLAM) is still oversubscribed.

said by DataRiker:

You definitely see wild shifts in speeds on xDSL these days with our setup.

Not all DSL setups are like this.

CenturyLink out here has the same "two tier" setup. Their GigE-fed ADSL2+/VDSL2 DSLAMs are never congested (they're oversubscribed, but reasonably), but customers still on T1 or DS3-fed DSLAMs aren't as lucky and there's tons of complaints in the CL forum.

Crusty

join:2008-11-11
Sanger, TX
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reply to borka

Re: great prices

said by borka:

Those are some really good internet only prices!

I would be very happy with a 50meg connection for $45! but here in Comcast land a 50meg internet only is $75

I'd gladly pay $75 for that speed. CenturyLink (aka - CenturySuck) says I pay for 10Mbps/.768k all for the low low price of $67 after all those fees/taxes. Now, if I could only get above the 3Mpbs threshold during the times I want to use my connection..that be great.

ghosti

join:2014-02-01
united state

1 recommendation

reply to silbaco
Mediacom 50/5 standard is $80, 105/10 is $100 (in the few markets offered).I pay $40/month for 15/1 (on promotion, reg is $50). There is zero competition in my market, no dsl or anything fiber/hybrid. 50/5 was just launched in the past few months here, used to be 30/2 was the top tier.


odysseus

@grandenetworks.net
reply to BiggA

Re: Not bad

I'm surprised that no one comments on how *asymmetrical* the rates are: always 10:1. Even at 110 mbps down, it's only 11 mbps up. Very slow for backup applications.

cmarslett

join:2006-11-22
Pflugerville, TX
Reviews:
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reply to RWSI

Re: What is the catch

Grande is great in my son's neighborhood in Austin, but has had authorization to overbuild in Pflugerville for well over a decade. Still hasn't done it because, I have been told, build out is far more expensive here (maybe because the city honchos are not interested in challenging the big players: AT&T and Suddenlink).

That's perhaps not the catch you are looking for, but it does mean that they can't build out the way I would like them to. I guess I just need to leave this crooked burg.

BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
reply to odysseus

Re: Not bad

True, but at that pricing, you can just get the 100mbps plan to get 10mbps upload. Comcast is about 5:1 on most plans, but they are more expensive...

triggered

join:2002-07-06
Odessa, TX
Reviews:
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Ripoff.

I was told that my 30/3 would be upgraded to 50/5 on May 14, but it wasn't.
I called tech support and they told me that it is for new customers only.
As a long time customer I feel used and abused.
They used to be a good company but they grew too fast and got too greedy.