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|Comments on news posted 2014-02-20 08:30:19: US District Judge Dale Kimball of Utah has disrupted Aereo's string of legal wins by issuing an injunction (pdf) ordering the shut down of existing Aereo operations in both Salt Lake City, Utah and Denver, Colorado. .. |
said by ITALIAN926:*shrug* They either win or lose. I prefer they win, but, if they don't: All it means to me is sell the Roku 3 on eBay and, when the weather or aircraft prevent watching OTA TV: Do something else. For us: All the broadcasters stand to gain by killing Aereo is losing us as customers.
So long Aereo, you get an A for effort, F for foresight.
Which is fine by me, as TV is mostly mindless chewing gum for the mind, anyway, and we'll save $8/mo.
said by ITALIAN926:Broadcasters sell eyeballs -- not literally, but they live and die by their ratings. If people don't watch their broadcast, they can't sell commercials, or must sell them at a much lower rate. If he decides to cut the cord altogether and watch something else, the broadcasters lose -- not him.
Please explain how broadcasters lose if you are denied Aereo.
said by ITALIAN926:Time shifting with a DVR is a fact of life, but both the broadcaster and the advertisers account for it. It's not like it is anything new: before DVRs, viewers did time-shifting with a VCR, and fast-forwarded through the commercials. All the DVR did was make it more convenient. Before VCRs and DVRs, people weren't chained in front of the TV: they could do other things during commercials.
The commercials you dont watch via DVR?
The big advertisers spend their money on product placement during the content as well: do you really think the producers of Hawaii Five-O feature a Camaro for free? Microsoft has been spending a lot on product placement as well.
said by smcallah:Losing an individual viewer is not going to affect the ratings. But, Aereo is rapidly approaching enough subscribers in their service areas to make it statistically impossible there isn't some intersection between the sets of Aereo users and Nielsen participants.
Unless the OP is a Nielsen viewer, he doesn't directly go into the ratings numbers. That's the only way the broadcaster would lose advertising dollars, if they lose a Nielsen viewer because the person was using Aereo.
The real question is how many of those Aereo users will return to viewing the broadcast via OTA or MSO. Or alternatively, does an Aereo user watch more programming (at work, mobile, etc.) because it is more convenient?
Frankly, I think the broadcasters should be welcoming Aereo for expanding their viewing audience.
said by zod5000:If Aereo isn't shutdown and their users become a significant percentage of viewers in broadcast TV markets, Nielsen will find a way to include them -- along with Netflix, Hulu, and all the other video streaming services.
I don't think Aereo actually helps out the TV channels. They aren't hooked up Neilsen boxes, which means they don't count in the ratings.
For that matter, Aereo can provide a wealth of information about their users to advertisers: what shows were recorded, what shows were eventually watched, live TV vs. recorded, skipped commercials vs. viewing commercials (and even replaying commercials).
TiVo has already been doing this, for at least a decade:
| || |said by zod5000:not really, where a neilsen household, if you have a landline theyl send you a "box" you hook up to the phone line and every one in the house wears a "pager" (receiver listens to the tv). end of the day you put the "pager" on the charger, and via power line networking it transmits its collected data to the "box" and it then calls out via phone.
It doesn't really matter if your not a neilsen household. That being said I think the neilson technology has advanced
why is this relevant to your statement? simple, if your a cellphone only household you get the old fashioned paper journals.. the tech hasnt advanced, if it had that box could plug in to my router by now.. and i wouldnt have to keep explaining the paper journal thing to dad ::sigh :: maybe some day.
edit: about aereo id love if it was here, as a renter i cant just slap up an antenna, no matter what the FCC says, and ever since the digital transition you cant get a signal here with out an outdoor mast mount antenna system probably cheaper than basic cable, but not worth possibly getting kicked out over. (again, no matter what the fcc says, nothing stops a landloard from simply not renewing your lease after you install one, as is there right), so aereo would be great for those of us that rent. i dont know how much it costs, but it has to be less than the $30 + $2/per box im paying mediacom for BASIC cable tv. (no dvr's or anything, and thanks to there 100% encrypted system down here you cant use a vcr or dvd recorder, unless of course you set the box to that one channel, and get up to change its channel later.. ugh.)
said by ptbarnett:never seen one like that, ive still got an old RCA vcr, though its "retired" to just playing VHS movies i havent bothered to get DVD's for.. I switched to a DVD recorder years ago. it would depend on "vcr timers" on the cable box, odd thing about that is, if you rent the DVR from mediacom (about $20/mo for the first one when you account for the other associated fees to use it), but DONT pay for DVR service, the DVR option turns in to a "vcr timers" option button. but the DTA's ($2/mo) you would think theyd have "vcr timers" on the DTA's for this purpopse. thing is they want you to rent there DVR's..
Aereo is $8/month to watch/record 1 channel at a time, and $12/month for more DVR space and 2 channels at a time.
I don't know if you can even buy a VCR any longer, but my last one had a "cable mouse" -- an infrared transmitter that you could put in front of the cable box, and program the VCR to change the channel -- even on an all-digital system.
soo, using my current hardware id need to manually change the channels (2am recordings any one?) or, buy new hardware i didnt need before they forced the all encrypted switch over. (thank you FCC for allowing this)
i really hope aereo wins the SCOTUS case..
Clinton Township, MI
Whats the difference? Ok, so what IS the BIG DEAL with Aero. Seems to me, they are 'rebroadcasting' the same thing the cable companies are and what most of us can get off a digi antenna? Oh wait, I think it could be no revenue goes toward the likes of CBS, NBC, etc.. that they collect for the "service"? Whereas Comcrap charges a fee and they pay money to the before mentioned crybabies. It's more complicated than that I know but really people? It's not like they cut out the commercials or charge per channel. So, whoever this idiot judge is out west, it's clear where his investments come from. So, wonder how many apartments buildings violate this 1976 copyright act by putting antennas up on it's roof, providing it's renters a tv signal to a wall outlet for FREE (or a small fee)? Ok.. done with my morning rant.. Traffic is moving now..
Re: Whats the difference? MCE and TiVo are about the same price, although if you're going to have an HTPC anyways, then yes, MCE is a lot cheaper. However, all this is irrelevant. MCE's interface is horrible, it makes no sense, it's hard to use, there are no good remotes for it, and worst of all, it's unreliable, and even Windows itself has all sorts of issues reliably driving an HT setup, where TiVo just works.
consumers are the biggest losers If you are in where no OTA, you have to pay mega bill to cable/satelite or NO TV AT ALL!
Funny... a real judge (not in some network's pocket) would have issued a continuance given the case on the SCOTUS docket. FUBAR
Flaw In Judge Kimball's Reasoning From pp. 12 of the injunction, relying on Judge Chin's reasoning in his Second Circuit dissent:
This court is also not persuaded by the Second Circuits subsequent application of its Cablevision decision to Aereos system...
...the subscribers in Cablevision already had the ability to view television programs in real-time through their authorized cable subscriptions...
How is that materially different from OTA "subscribers" in a given market already having the ability to view television programs through their own equipment, such "as an antenna, digital video recorder, and Slingbox"?
Think of it this way.. Is it legal for me to put up an antenna in my attic and receive the broadcast stations.....yes.
Now suppose I don't get good reception with the antenna in my attic and so I ask my neighbor if he would allow me to put my antenna on his property to get a better shot at receiving the signal and he says yes. Is it legal to run a wire from my house to my antenna on his property....yes.
Now suppose I up the ante and ask my neighbor if it is ok if I put my TIVO on his property so that it's closer to the antenna to get less signal loss. Is that legal...yes.
Now, is it legal for my neighbor to charge me rent for locating my antenna and TIVO on his property....yes.
Is it legal if my neighbor actually owns the antenna and TIVO, but rents it exclusively to me....yes.
Remember, no one else but me can use this antenna/TIVO combination.
Now, suppose my neighbor decides that the rest of the neighborhood would also like a setup like this and he puts up a whole slew of antennas and buys a TIVO for each and rents a separate antenna/TIVO combo to each household in the neighborhood? Is it legal....yes.
Aereo maintains a completely seperate antenna for each customer and they claim that they record a separate video stream for DVR purposes for each customer that has scheduled a recording. No two customers get the same antenna feed and no two customers get the same recorded DVR stream.
So, how is this illegal?
West Chester, OH
Alternative There is a very good alternative for the cord cutters if you loose Aereo. It's called Simple.TV.
Basically, you connect your own antenna to it (the Simple.TV box) to get the free OTA signals. Then you plug in an ethernet cable which goes to your router or switch. This allows the signal to travel over your network. Then either watch TV on your iPad with the app, or on the computer via a browser, or for the best results, watch through a Roku to get it on your TV.
Plug a hard drive into it, and you can also DVR your shows for free!
If you want to schedule your recordings as say, "Channel 19 at 5:00", then there are no monthly charges. If you want a nice guide and easy programming such as, "Simpsons, new episodes and re-runs all season long", then there is either a small monthly charge (I think $5) or you can buy a lifetime subscription for $150. This subscription is transferable to each new hardware model you will upgrade to in the future.
So in short, if you have a Simple.TV, and a Roku and a USB HD, you pay nothing monthly for OTA TV. In return you get a nice DVR and the ability to watch TV almost anywhere.
Check it out, I love mine: www.simple.tv
Re: Alternative Yes this is in conjunction w/ Silicondust. The only problem is that the antenna needs to get the signal, but the product itself is like where boxee was trying to go before they sold out to the man along w/ Sage....
If people PAID for a professional to install the antenna, this wouldn't be an issue. We have become accustomed to plug-and-play and IMHO in many cases for OTA that is not the case. Also in more dense areas, that may be an issue also.
I think it makes sense, however their monthly charge is a drag. You can just build your own for less, but not as easy as simple.