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Comments on news posted 2014-03-04 07:18:54: As Aereo's April 22 showdown with broadcasters at the Supreme Court looms, broadcasters got some significant if not unsurprising support in the form of the United States government. ..

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tc1uscg

join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI

Lobby away.. lobby away

In other news... congressional leaders have seen a large influx of donations from the big 3 broadcast companies.. next the weather.



goalieskates
Premium
join:2004-09-12
land of big

Uh huh.

quote:
while arguing Aereo can be defeated without impacting the fate of other technologies
The current DOJ is so politicized and consistently wrong, I'd take their opinion with a huge grain of salt.


jseymour

join:2009-12-11
Waterford, MI
reply to tc1uscg

Re: Lobby away.. lobby away

This has nothing to do with Congress. The Justice (for me, but not for thee) Department is part of the Executive Branch, which is Barack Obama's bailiwick. Hollyweird and the broadcast industry have both pretty consistently supported the Pretender, so it's no surprise his "justice" department would sing their tune.

Jim



Kilroy
Premium,MVM
join:2002-11-21
Saint Paul, MN

1 recommendation

Let's continue to prop up outdated business models

Further proof we have the best government that money can buy. There is still hope that Aereo could prevail, but this does not bode well.
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"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." - Robert A. Heinlein


ptbarnett

join:2002-09-30
Lewisville, TX

1 recommendation

reply to goalieskates

Re: Uh huh.

said by goalieskates:

The current DOJ is so politicized and consistently wrong, I'd take their opinion with a huge grain of salt.

Yeah, this is the DoJ that claims that only certain groups of people can be victimized by hate crimes (and therefore, only certain groups of people can commit hate crimes).

Crookshanks

join:2008-02-04
Binghamton, NY

Wow

And here I thought Uncle Sam would happily drive a stake into OTA's heart, given the FCC's obsession with reclaiming that spectrum for more mobile broadband.



PlusOne

@comcast.net
reply to jseymour

Re: Lobby away.. lobby away

said by jseymour:

This has nothing to do with Congress. The Justice (for me, but not for thee) Department is part of the Executive Branch, which is Barack Obama's bailiwick. Hollyweird and the broadcast industry have both pretty consistently supported the Pretender, so it's no surprise his "justice" department would sing their tune.

Jim

+1


PlusOne

@comcast.net
reply to ptbarnett

Re: Uh huh.

said by ptbarnett:

said by goalieskates:

The current DOJ is so politicized and consistently wrong, I'd take their opinion with a huge grain of salt.

Yeah, this is the DoJ that claims that only certain groups of people can be victimized by hate crimes (and therefore, only certain groups of people can commit hate crimes).

+1


wizardry

@ohio-state.edu
reply to jseymour

Re: Lobby away.. lobby away

Exactly. The Comcast/NBC deal was helped by the fact that certain NBC executives are big campaign donors.


nasadude

join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
reply to goalieskates

Re: Uh huh.

you forgot corrupt


MaynardKrebs
Heave Steve, for the good of the country
Premium
join:2009-06-17
kudos:4

1 recommendation

When an individual wants to outsource their antenna .....

it's copyright infringement.

When a corporation wants to outsource anything, it's sound business practice.

If corporations are people too, then the corollary must also be true .....people can be corporations as well (and never serve jail time).



n2jtx

join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY

Lobbyists At Work

It looks like this DOJ filing was bought and paid for by the OTA industry. Aereo is complying with every technical aspect of the current law and DOJ claims they are breaking the law. Meanwhile other services that follow that same law and technical requirements ARE NOT breaking the law. Go figure that one out.

As I have said before, the simple solution is for the content providers to go to congress, drop a couple of hundred million on them and buy a change in the law.
--
I support the right to keep and arm bears.


biochemistry
Premium
join:2003-05-09
92361
reply to jseymour

Re: Lobby away.. lobby away

But but... hope... and change.


openbox9
Premium
join:2004-01-26
Germany
kudos:2
reply to MaynardKrebs

Re: When an individual wants to outsource their antenna .....

said by MaynardKrebs:

people can be corporations as well

I know it's not necessarily what you were implying, but you can establish a legal business entity to limit liability for business activities anytime you'd like. There are several options available.

shmerl

join:2013-10-21

So, how much

was DOJ paid for this exactly?


Kearnstd
Space Elf
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
kudos:1

Unknown but clearly some people in the right places just secured their high paying positions on Lobby Row in DC when they retire from the DOJ.
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[65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports



tc1uscg

join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI
reply to jseymour

Re: Lobby away.. lobby away

So, you REALLY think those f-tards in congress didn't have anything to do with "suggesting" this action. I need to stop watching CSPAN


Rakeesh

join:2011-10-30
Mesa, AZ
reply to PlusOne

+2

That, and Eric Holder is perhaps the most corrupt and incompetent attorney general to have ever held that position. Everything bad anybody has ever said about Reno (shudder,) Ashcroft, and Gonzales...those guys have nothing on Holder.


Automate

join:2001-06-26
Atlanta, GA

+1


Automate

join:2001-06-26
Atlanta, GA
reply to tc1uscg

And you think Obama does what congress wants?


firedrakes

join:2009-01-29
Arcadia, FL
reply to Kearnstd

Re: So, how much

"Money (That's What I Want)"
"Money (That's What I Want)"
"Money (That's What I Want)"
"Money (That's What I Want)"
DOJ



KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK

US Government Backs $$$$

Surprise!

Best Government money can buy (Off)



ieolus
Support The Clecs

join:2001-06-19
Duluth, GA
reply to jseymour

Re: Lobby away.. lobby away

The Pretender?

Damn that was a great show.
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"Speak for yourself "Chadmaster" - lesopp



IowaCowboy
Iowa native
Premium
join:2010-10-16
Springfield, MA
Reviews:
·Verizon Broadban..
·Comcast

Hello retransmission fees

Aero will have to probably pay retransmission fees and then raise their rates to those similar of a cable/satellite subscription.

It's not that broadcasters are against over the top technologies, it's those that push the technologies want retransmission contracts that would allow them to charge a fraction of the rates of traditional cable/satellite subscriptions. The average cable bill is about $70 a month, the streaming providers want to charge $12 a month for the same content. That's the sticking point and that is why over the top technologies are going nowhere. You can't charge $12 a month for content that costs you $50 per month to obtain. ESPN costs $5 per subscriber alone.

In the business world, if you pay the gatekeeper what they demand then you are allowed in. They'll gladly take the money of the streaming providers, the streaming providers will have to charge rates similar to a cable subscription and use some form of content protection.
--
I've experienced ImOn (when they were McLeod USA), Mediacom, Comcast, and Time Warner and I currently have DirecTV. They are much better than broadcast TV.

I have not and will not cut the cord.



dnoyeB
Ferrous Phallus

join:2000-10-09
Southfield, MI
Reviews:
·Comcast

I was under the impression that Cable was more than just a retransmitter. More like a local TV station that injected its own commercials? Is this not so?

Either way, cable has much more content than OTA so that may have a bit to do with the price difference.
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dnoyeB
"Then said I, Wisdom [is] better than strength: nevertheless the poor man's wisdom [is] despised, and his words are not heard. " Ecclesiastes 9:16


CXM_Splicer
Looking at the bigger picture
Premium
join:2011-08-11
NYC
kudos:2
reply to openbox9

Re: When an individual wants to outsource their antenna .....

Who'd of thunk... liability can vanish into thin air with the simple act of incorporation!



TOPDAWG
Premium
join:2005-04-27
Midland, ON
kudos:3

1 recommendation

reply to IowaCowboy

Re: Hello retransmission fees

and ESPN is why I find cable to be BS. damn if I care about paying for that crap as I don't watch sports at all. BS I have to pay for crap I don't want but mind you I don't have cable so I don't have to pay.


openbox9
Premium
join:2004-01-26
Germany
kudos:2
reply to CXM_Splicer

Re: When an individual wants to outsource their antenna .....

No, it doesn't vanish, nor is that what I said. But then you know that already.


CXM_Splicer
Looking at the bigger picture
Premium
join:2011-08-11
NYC
kudos:2

Their filing is rather comical

The Aereo business model (and the previous court decisions) rest firmly on the ground set by Cablevision's remote DVR service NOT being a 'public performance'. Since it is the user that is in control of the broadcast to themselves (in both cases) the performance is deemed private instead of public. The brief clearly states this then goes to say that the Aereo decision should be reversed but there is no reason to revisit the Cablevision decision since they are an innovative business. There is no legal precedent or justification to describe how the services differ... just that we don't have to bother Cablevision while we squash infringing Aereo. They argue that watching a recording (ala Cablevision) is completely different than watching live TV (even though they admit there is a 5-6 second buffer!) What little legal argument they actually put forward relies on the opinion of the dissenting judge in the Cablevision case. In essence, they DO argue that Cablevision's DVR service is infringing but we only need to consider that against Aereo. :/ If this was my lawyer I would fire him instantly.


Kearnstd
Space Elf
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
kudos:1
reply to Automate

Re: Lobby away.. lobby away

said by Automate:

And you think Obama does what congress wants?

Congress cannot even do what congress wants. The current fighting between the Dems and the Teatards that run the GOP means nobody in our government gets a damn thing done that benefits the people.
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[65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports