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Comments on news posted 2014-03-25 08:16:42: The Obama Administration is set to unveil a new proposal that would purportedly end bulk data collection at the NSA. ..



Uncle Paul

join:2003-02-04
USA
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As we move to IP based phones ...

... we end the bulk collection of traditional phone information but continue to collect and directly tap IP traffic?


pandora
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Outland
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Crap

Total crap, why do they even bother pretending. They're addicted to personal data.
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westdc

join:2009-01-25
Amissville, VA
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PLOY

The Gov't Didn't build a big data center in UTAH so they could stop the collection - they will just rename the wings as cloud storage for verizon,sprint,comcast,Google and insert you're ip provider (here).

All this does is make it (story) go away if it's not reported or reported as fixed it goes away and no longer happens - putting the sheep back to sleep



goalieskates
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land of big
reply to pandora

Re: Crap

The Obama Administration "says" lots of things. Unfortunately, what they do is often the opposite. It's their stock in trade. How many times can they pull this before people wise up?



StuartMW
Who Is John Galt?
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For sale

And I'm selling a bridge in Brooklyn. It's been in my family for generations. Cash buyers only.
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battleop

join:2005-09-28
00000

How long?

"would not be required to retain the data for any longer than they normally would,"

And that's how long? I'm not aware that we HAVE to keep the records at all.
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existenz

join:2014-02-12
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reply to pandora

Re: Crap

And it appears to be just targeting collection of phone data, not other types of data.



WillRegSoon

@optonline.net

2 recommendations

Yeah, sure

Sky is Blue.
Water is Wet.
Obama Lies.

President Pinnochio has Zero cred.



Twaddle

@verizon.net

1 recommendation

One word for this lie

HORSESHIT


shmerl

join:2013-10-21

1 edit

It says nothing

about bulk collection of the Internet traffic though. So it's all a game to fool the public.



Overtkill
Premium
join:2005-09-21
Magna, UT

Very correct Karl...

Once again, very correct. It almost sounds like they are thinking in terms not too unfamiliar with online computer gaming companies.. Institute a change, wait for the public to bitch, then nerf the law some. But too fond of their creation, so they'll fight change tooth and nail to keep it while simultaneously telling you they are thinking of changing the law. As though they think the talk is merely enough to pacify while they keep on collecting data.


MaynardKrebs
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reply to battleop

Re: How long?

said by battleop:

"would not be required to retain the data for any longer than they normally would,"

And that's how long? I'm not aware that we HAVE to keep the records at all.

It'll all be rolled into 'black' budget items, the same way secret aircraft are, and then the telco's will have billions funneled their way for dozens of new data centers with yottabytes of storage.

Telco press release of 2035:

"It's important for us to retain all your calling, surfing, and e-mail history from 2014 in order to serve you better. Suppose you were on a witness stand and you said that you can't remember something you said or where you were on a specific day, we'd be there to 'refresh' your memory - whether you had Alzheimer's or not. You'd want that so we could help you help the police and government, wouldn't you? There are a LOT of dangerous people out there and you could be one of them."


StuartMW
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said by MaynardKrebs:

There are a LOT of dangerous people out there and you could be one of them."

Correction: You ARE one of them whether you know it or not.
The NSA.
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battleop

join:2005-09-28
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reply to MaynardKrebs

Too bad people are to lazy or cheap to seek out the local and regional operators. It's just to easy to roll over and take in the rear from the big boys.

Greed by the Large ISP AND the Consumer has lead us to where we are today.
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axus

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They should have gone with filtered data collection

From what I remember reading about NSA whistleblower Thomas Drake, NSA could have put filters on their bulk collection, such that they don't have everything but only what is "possibly relevant". It wouldn't have generated as much outrage.

It's legal for the telcos to collect this data, and legal for the government to request it, but the warrantless part is still a problem. Government requests for private information should only be approved if they are limited to what a court authorizes, naming specific people, and naming specific topics.



el_huason

@verizon.net
reply to goalieskates

Re: Crap

said by goalieskates:

The Obama Administration "says" lots of things. Unfortunately, what they do is often the opposite. It's their stock in trade. How many times can they pull this before people wise up?

Until the Universe itself ceases to exist

"Only two kinds of human beings can be trusted - dead and extinct. All others must be avoided at all costs" me.

dra6o0n

join:2011-08-15
Mississauga, ON
reply to MaynardKrebs

Re: How long?

One day a real life "Fallout" may happen just so individuals can recreate the world in their vision. That's how much power humans have these day.



el_huason

@verizon.net
reply to StuartMW

said by StuartMW:

said by MaynardKrebs:

There are a LOT of dangerous people out there and you could be one of them."

Correction: You ARE one of them whether you know it or not.
The NSA.

An if they ever show up at my house with that kind of excuse, I'll make sure to greet them warmly - with hot lead and cold steel! >;(

"Only two kinds of human beings can be trusted - dead and extinct. All others must be avoided at all costs" me.

Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to battleop

18 months currently.


Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO

Preemptive

I think what we see here is the administration taking a preemptive step to make it look like they did something before the Supreme Court rules it is unconstitutional.

If they take the preemptive step the case may not even be reviewed by the USSC and thus there is not precedence set, which would be in the governments "favor" because then in the future they wont be breaking the law per se they will be performing a questionable act that may need to be debated and reviewed.



NormanS
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reply to Skippy25

Re: How long?

said by Skippy25:

18 months currently.

Based on what information? My ISP claims two weeks.
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AnonMe

@comcastbusiness.net
reply to battleop

said by battleop:

"would not be required to retain the data for any longer than they normally would,"

And that's how long? I'm not aware that we HAVE to keep the records at all.

According to the NYTimes, that is generally 18 months. AND NSA would still have a process to access those records, AND those telcos would be required to send them real-time updates to numbers of interest.

The NYTimes link is on the main DSLR page under Tuesday Morning Links.

At a high level, this whole move is really just slightly altering the NSA's processes as a PR stunt.


Edrick
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reply to battleop

Find me some local and regional operators that serve Woburn, MA with Fiber and speeds like verizon.

Expand your moderator at work

Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO

1 edit
reply to NormanS

Re: How long?

Based on reading beyond this website and we are talking phone records, not ISP data records.

"The White House is expected to propose that the phone companies hold onto the records for 18 months, just as they are required to do now by federal regulation."

»news.yahoo.com/obama-propose-end···439.html



Simba7
I Void Warranties

join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT

Don't blame Obama for everything..

Congress has done their fair share. They've stonewalled the President several times. If I was that freakin' lazy (filibuster), I'd be fired by now.



Rambo76098

join:2003-02-21
Columbus, OH
reply to westdc

Re: PLOY

They can always fill it up with other crap they steal from us, even if it's not call logs. Maybe just the calls themselves, internet traffic, etc.



tshirt
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reply to battleop

Re: How long?

said by battleop:

Too bad people are to lazy or cheap...

We know they are too cheap

said by battleop:

... to seek out the local and regional operators.

But it is disingenuous to imply regional operators are immune to court orders or federal regulations any more than the big guys, some even bend to the profitability of complying with requests.