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Comments on news posted 2014-04-04 10:14:50: Back in February we noted that Google Fiber had announced they were working with thirty-four new cities in nine regions on making it easier for those locations to see fiber broadband deployed. ..

onthecake

join:2003-08-08
Kansas City, MO
Reviews:
·Google Fiber

Really.. Its not that bad

Maybe 1-2 per large neighborhood.



Duramax08
To The Moon
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join:2008-08-03
San Antonio, TX

Re: Really.. Its not that bad

Thats not bad. With fiber, they dont need any electricity for amps or equipment, which probably make those boxes small. Think of that box as a patch panel.

Thanks for posting the picture. Do you have google fiber?
onthecake

join:2003-08-08
Kansas City, MO
Reviews:
·Google Fiber

Re: Really.. Its not that bad

My neighborhood is scheduled for install sometime this summer so hopefully by then.

The area we are in is all underground utilities so really besides these boxes there isn't much else in the neighborhoods. The connection to the house comes from a small box that is flush with ground (looks like sprinkler valve box).

Duramax08
To The Moon
Premium
join:2008-08-03
San Antonio, TX

1 recommendation

Re: Really.. Its not that bad

Thats awesome. When you do get the service, dont forget to do a review!
existenz

join:2014-02-12
kudos:2
Reviews:
·Google Fiber

Re: Really.. Its not that bad

 
 
Just got GFiber today in KC! It rocks, so does TV.

I'm trying to find a way to do review but can't find it on BBR.
political_i

join:2013-11-12

Re: Really.. Its not that bad

Mind trying a speed test to another area perhaps that is on a fiber backbone?
existenz

join:2014-02-12
kudos:2
Reviews:
·Google Fiber

4 edits

Re: Really.. Its not that bad

Can you tell me of one on coasts that can test a Gbit?

Here's a site in Chatanooga (testing from KC), over 600 miles. I don't know if it is capable of doing full Gbit but still pretty good....




Here's another in KC to KC, over 800/900Mbps...


F100

join:2013-01-15
Durham, NC

Re: Really.. Its not that bad

Can you do the test to the speed test .net server in Washington DC? That is the only one that I can find that is fast enough that is not on a local network. I have to use that one to max out a desktop connection. This is on a 1Gbps connection to the 10Gbps core that has two active/active 10Gbps connections to the internet. I wonder how Google Fiber compares on this same server?


existenz

join:2014-02-12
kudos:2

Re: Really.. Its not that bad


See answer below in other thread.

F100

join:2013-01-15
Durham, NC

Re: Really.. Its not that bad

Not too bad for a GPON network. I'd take it in a heartbeat. Do wonder how it will compare to Active Ethernet once the service gets loaded up. Do you know if your fiberhood is on a 1:16 or 1:32 split?

This area is one of the 34 next possible locations but it's probably a long shot that we actually get picked.
existenz

join:2014-02-12
kudos:2
Reviews:
·Google Fiber

2 edits

Re: Really.. Its not that bad

I've heard it's an AE/WDM-PON hybrid. I was at a Google Fiber tech conference last Fall and a Gfiber net engineer told me that the network can sustain near 1Gbit to 80% user capacity within a fiberhood or something like that if I understood right. Given that very few would sustain high bandwidth concurrently, would be surprising if many would interfere with each other until maybe 4K streaming becomes common.

I'm in a condo hirise with nearly 150 units. Everyone got GFiber although many are using the 'free' 5Mbit. So the distribution of 5M users will keep load of the fiberhoods as well.
existenz

join:2014-02-12
kudos:2
I've posted a new Google Fiber review here. Post here to ask any questions or tests you'd like me to perform.

»Google Fiber Kansas City
Ganthet

join:2009-08-05
Kansas City, MO
I'm also in a neighborhood with underground utilities (still in the "rally" phase. I've been wondering about this. Are there any pictures around of the house connection you mention?
onthecake

join:2003-08-08
Kansas City, MO
Reviews:
·Google Fiber

3 edits

Re: Really.. Its not that bad

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They basically ran larger boxes that are flush with ground on one side of the street then every 2 houses they run conduit under the street and place these smaller boxes. For the most part its been pretty clean in my area.

Not sure where these pictures were taken in KC though.

Duramax08
To The Moon
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San Antonio, TX

Re: Really.. Its not that bad

And all of this is done with one strand of fiber. Technology has come a long way.
verta

join:2007-05-29
Tallahassee, FL
It's not bad until the darn kids start spray painting it, and it's your responsibility to repaint it weekly at your cost or face code violation fines. Just sayin. It's a trade off .
onthecake

join:2003-08-08
Kansas City, MO

Re: Really.. Its not that bad

How about moving to an area that doesn't have idiots running through tagging everything?

tshirt
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Snohomish, WA
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said by verta:

and it's your responsibility to repaint it weekly at your cost or face code violation fines

It's never your responsibility to repaint Telco equipment in the public RoW.
Even though you are attempting to "beautify" YOU are technically tagging just as much as the kids.

fg8578

join:2009-04-26
Salem, OR

Oh the irony!

It's funny that Portland is now doing what it can to bring google fiber there.

It was the City of Portland that originally tried to regulate AT&T cable modem service back in 2000: AT&T Corp. v. City of Portland, 216 F.3d 871 (9th Cir. 2000).

That eventually led the FCC to deregulate cable modem service (2002). And that decision led to the later decision in which the FCC deregulated DSL service (2005).

So you can thank Portland for the two decisions that deregulated broadband and left us with the mess in which we currently find ourselves (i.e., deregulation but no competition).

tshirt
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Re: Oh the irony!

said by fg8578:

...

Portland hasn't been really successful in providing public network solutions
Remember MetroFI?
»betanews.com/2008/02/22/in-portl···he-dust/

fg8578

join:2009-04-26
Salem, OR

Re: Oh the irony!

In fairness, I agreed with Portland at the time, and still do. They wanted an "open" cable modem infrastructure. Had they succeeded, we would have retail ISP competition over the last mile. As it is, we don't.

tshirt
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Re: Oh the irony!

Everybody wants that, Portland just happens to have demonstrated multiple way/times, how not to get that done.
AND has generate public expense each and every time.
I only hope they are thinking VERY carefully what they are giving up and how they can/intend to deal with the conflicts the current plan will generate.
don't want them walking face first in to the windmill again.
TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH
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Re: Oh the irony!

what gets me is they'll bed over backwords and change everything for someone like Google only to find out it's years down the road to even get the service- IF it at all happens in in 5-10years. Look at Austin- it's not started. KC isn't even half done.

tshirt
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Re: Oh the irony!

Google may "win" either way, worse consumers may actually lose.
IF they (Google) can fool enough of the other players into abandoning their own business plans too instead try and match Google's unproven broadband investment plan, Google will still reap the major data collection benefit even if not first hand.
In return the existing majors could become financially unstable long before they can complete a meaningful rollout leaving many unserved with little chance of new investment (Google pocket aren't deep enough to rescue every new iProvo clone)
Race to the bottom (line) "gas wars" often do MORE damage to consumers/the marketplace over the longterm, in return what is sometimes a very brief benefit.
"I want it NOW" consumers are just as bad as "next quarter return" investors.
TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH
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Re: Oh the irony!

Google never really "rescued" iProvo. The city and tax payers are still on that hook. The only thing they got was $1 that didn't even pay for crap. The city gave that network away and the tax payers were stupid for allowing it. Google should had to have paid just like any other provider.

But if Portland was still serious about anyone else, they would have made it easy for any other true overbuilder to move in.
TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH
MetroFI was NOT cable. It was the free wireless Internet company that got cities to give them millions. A main reason cities should not be in the internet business.
TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH
Brand X was the case that ended up having cable modem services turned into an information service, not AT&T and the city of Portland.

fg8578

join:2009-04-26
Salem, OR

1 edit

Re: Oh the irony!

said by TBBroadband:

Brand X was the case that ended up having cable modem services turned into an information service, not AT&T and the city of Portland.

It was both, but Portland (2000) preceded Brand X (2003) by three years.

The FCC Order that labeled cable modem service as an information service came out in 2002; it decided the Portland case (AT&T filed suit against Portland in 1999). The FCC Order came out a year before the initial Brand X case, which was a decision that overturned the FCC decision. The Supremes decided the Brand-X case in 2005, relying on the FCC decision as a precedent and affirming it.

It was the Portland case that first teed up the issue, but yes, the Brand-X decision settled the question once and for all.

tshirt
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But it's for Google...

...you have to sign over the deed to your property, your first born virgin child, and the key to the city.
After all you can trust corporations who say they "will do no evil" because corporations never lie or change direction.
nothing like offering special legislation to please one entity.
Expand your moderator at work

karlmarx

join:2006-09-18
Chicago, IL

4 recommendations

Re: But it's for Google...

That may be true.. But, that's just MORE reason for the municipalities to OWN the backbone, and let any ISP rent out capacity. Ever wonder why, I don't know, 35 or so countries have FASTER and CHEAPER internet than the US? Maybe because their governments OWN the infrastructure, and rent out the capacity. You do have a point though. The SOLE reason for a corporation to exist is to MAKE MONEY. However, much like the tragedy of the commons, what's good for the corporation is not good for the majority. First step, is to take away the 'personhood' rights from corporations. A corporation should exist SOLELY to collect money, pay money, and sign contracts. NO 'person' rights apart from that. As soon as you tell me how we can put a 'corporation' in prison for breaking the law, I will happily give them free speech and other rights. Until then, nada.
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battleop

join:2005-09-28
00000

1 recommendation

I wonder..

Would the city of Portland provide the exact same thing for anyone who wanted to offer service in Portland? Have they been just as helpful from the beginning to the local ILEC and Cable co or has the city pissed them off by trying to tax, regulate, and sue them into dictating what they want the Cableco, ILEC, and Clecs to do for them?

I can see that this leads to an unfar advantage to Google over competing (not just the cable and ILEC) companies.
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I do not, have not, and will not work for AT&T/Comcast/Verizon/Charter or similar sized company.

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existenz

join:2014-02-12
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In other news, I just got Google Fiber today!

Hooked up today in KC...



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mhathaway

@fuhsd.org

Why can't they just do the right thing

The people that have issues with these cabinets almost every time is when they are not placed on the far edge or on the property line. No one wants a cabinet in the middle of there yard. And almost everything there are complaints its because they did not place it on the edge of the property line, which most of the time is due to lazy crews.

tshirt
Premium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:5

Re: Why can't they just do the right thing

RoW's are generally very specific in size and location and any restrictions on usage. it isn't the crew being lazy if the engineer says "RIGHT HERE"
Rekrul

join:2007-04-21
Milford, CT

Above ground?

Can't they just bury them? Leave it exposed until they're sure everything is running smoothly, then cover it over with a inch or so of soil so that grass will grow. Maybe not as convenient as having it sit on top of the ground where it can be accessed at will, but really, how often do they need to go inside these things?
political_i

join:2013-11-12
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·Charter

Re: Above ground?

Cost and regulations are probably the main two reasons. It costs less to go above versus below ground even though I would agree that underground in many cases should be more reliable than above ground. If regulations do not require underground utilities, unless the reliability is significantly improved, there is no reason.
tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Brooklyn, NY
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·ooma
·Optimum Online
·Verizon FiOS

sooner or later..

companies like Verizon are going to look like DSL offering a measly 150 megabits (the 300 & 500 tiers are less available than DSL was back in the day due to high prices and failure to upgrade the network) when Google ramps up beyond 1 gigabit. By the time a city like Portland comes online, there will likely be upgrades to Kansas City & others for 10, 40 & 100 gigabits. this transition to ultra-band something that is long overdue. meanwhile, the big carriers trying to find ways to COMMODITIZE the peering network (as with other parts of the backbone) by artificially throttling and causing bottlenecks where none existed before under *REASONABLE* utilization curves & required upgrades as per customer uptake rates.

broadband IS NOT and SHOULD NOT be charged for like so much retail gasoline, corn and bacon.

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiVUQWHE180

HINT VERIZON, IT'S ALL YOU! Doing one thing, while saying another is... called ugh hypocrisy, along with "That's not all you get!" commercials.
AT&T is on the edge of not being called a broadband provider these days.
davidhoffman
Premium
join:2009-11-19
Warner Robins, GA
kudos:3

Reworked ordinances.

The benefit I see is that the possibility of getting Google Fiber has incentivized municipalities into using the GF planning guide to confront some entrenched municipal government bureaucracies. Why should it take so long to get permits as it has in the past? Why have we not properly staffed certain agencies so permitting goes faster? Why do we not have a easily accessible database of infrastructure that is kept up to date? Fixing these problems can benefit all sorts of construction contractors, not just GF. If every municipality in the USA confronted and solved the issues in the GF planning guide, there might be a statistically significant reduction in construction costs for many types of construction.