SunnyD join:2009-03-20 Madison, AL |
SunnyD
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2014-Apr-7 2:46 pm
Wireless is a Cash Cow**For incumbents only. |
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Mr Guy
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2014-Apr-7 3:41 pm
said by SunnyD:*For incumbents only. so? |
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tshirt Premium Member join:2004-07-11 Snohomish, WA |
to SunnyD
said by SunnyD:*For incumbents only. Cincinnati Bell is about as incumbent to the telephone business as you can get and 16 years in wireless is several generations. This is more about the end of limited local players, needing the size and footprint to compete nationwide. You can be sure Cincinnati Bell got plenty of money for the spectrum and whatever customers who will stick through the transition. |
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I live in Cincinnati and I am surprised it went to Verizon.
Cincy Bell has no LTE, is all GSM based and has had roaming contracts with both ATT and T-Mobile over the years. They have never released a CDMA phone either.
I am glad they are keeping their fixed line. They are doing awesome at it. I have 50/10 and I sometimes get bursts of almost 90 mbps download |
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Mr Guy
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2014-Apr-7 3:23 pm
said by Trogdor9000:I live in Cincinnati and I am surprised it went to Verizon.
Cincy Bell has no LTE, is all GSM based and has had roaming contracts with both ATT and T-Mobile over the years. They have never released a CDMA phone either. They are selling their spectrum to Verizon. And their spectrum fits in nicely with what Verizon already has in that area. Doesn't matter what it's being used for now. Verizon current 700 MHz spectrum used to be used for TV until 5 years ago. |
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But I am saying the pain it is to switch customers over to CDMA. It might be a small enough pool of people that it wont be too bad |
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SunnyD join:2009-03-20 Madison, AL |
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said by Mr Guy :said by SunnyD:*For incumbents only. so? So don't expect any competition to help control or bring down prices any time soon, if ever. |
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tshirt Premium Member join:2004-07-11 Snohomish, WA |
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Within a year or so most phones will handle CDMA or GSM and all will use sims so they can build the LTE network and transition people later on |
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I think it could, just not in this case.
The problem for Cincinnati Bell is that they're a carrier with a very small footprint, which means that, if a customer left the metro area, they'd be roaming. At that point, the company has two choices: charge the customer for roaming or not charge them and absorb the cost. Since most people expect their plans to include nationwide roaming, that rules out the first option. So that means the company has to eat those roaming charges or hide them in the overall bill, resulting in higher prices overall. Not a good prospect for a small company. |
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C Spire and US cellularC Spire and US cellular won't be far behind. I look for T Mobile or Sprint to acquire both of them in the near future. |
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BiggA Premium Member join:2005-11-23 Central CT |
to Mr Guy
Re: Wireless is a Cash Cow*Exactly. The phone swap-out cost is minimal compared to the value of the spectrum. People upgrade anyways, so in a year or two, they can switch that spectrum over to LTE. |
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Exactly, and this was crushing the profitability of the company as a whole. I stuck with them as long as possible and they continued to force users to swallow more and more costs to offset the roaming losses. It was really bad for families with kids off at college, because you had to maintain an 80/20 balance of in/out of network data usage, per line, or you were cut off. Personally I think T-mobile would've been a better suitor, competition wise, but I'm not sure if they could've pulled it off. |
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BiggA Premium Member join:2005-11-23 Central CT ·Frontier FiberOp.. Asus RT-AC68
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Re: C Spire and US cellularNot sure who will eat up C Spire, but US Cellular will go to AT&T. They already dumped the Chicago market, which is the only major divestiture (plus Downeast Maine, but that's hardly a major market, and an easy divestiture to Verizon for spectrum, network, and subs). USCC's spectrum fits up perfectly with what AT&T doesn't have, and now that AT&T is running quad band LTE, and they promised to switch to Band 12 from 17 in their phones (although they haven't yet), they are the perfect match. |
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Os
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2014-Apr-7 8:44 pm
US Cellular's network is compatible with Verizon and Sprint. I would consider them the frontrunners for it, especially Sprint who already took US Cellular's markets in Chicago and St. Louis. |
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juicem2 join:2006-03-05 Mastic Beach, NY |
Good expansionTo bad Verizon has no interest in expanding Fios. They could have bought out the wire line business and converted the fiber optic TV to Fios. |
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Re: Wireless is a Cash Cow*a year or two? It may take longer than that. You still have to get those to upgrade, and this approved, etc. It will take a year to get everything in order to move those customers over to the VZW billing system. |
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Many carriers have that same 80/20 balance. TMO has it, Sprint has it, and I'm sure if you use VZW and roam more than 60% of the time you are in your "home" coverage they will do the same. |
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Re: Good expansionCinci Bell is NOT going to sell their wireline business. They make a killing on it and they know it. Plus their the own "bell" left that wasn't part of MaBell and the only ILEC that actually owns an HFC network as well. |
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swintec Premium Member join:2003-12-19 Alfred, ME |
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Re: C Spire and US cellularsaid by BiggA:Not sure who will eat up C Spire, but US Cellular will go to AT&T. They already dumped the Chicago market, which is the only major divestiture (plus Downeast Maine, but that's hardly a major market, and an easy divestiture to Verizon for spectrum, network, and subs). Chicago went to sprint. Where was it said that USC sold out downeast maine? Maine is one of their better markets, doesnt make sense they would piece it apart like that. USC and Sprint are very cozy with each other. LTE roaming between the two and other smaller carriers is very close. A sprint take over of USC would be fantastic (if only for the beefed up rural coverage in USC markets) and is really the best option for them I think. |
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Re: Wireless is a Cash Cow*I don't doubt it, but with cbw it wasn't explicit roaming so much as implicit nationwide coverage through TMo and ATT. With the big nationwide carriers, it's not as common to be in a populated area and be roaming. But outside of the Cincy network, in a populated area, you were considered out of network (which was different than roaming), and all was well until you hit that split. I was just pointing out that it was untenable in a world where a growing number of customers do actually travel out of network. |
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juicem2 join:2006-03-05 Mastic Beach, NY |
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Re: Good expansionIt doesn't matter anyway. Verizon has no interest in wireline. All Lowell cares about is wireless. |
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Re: Wireless is a Cash Cow*said by TBBroadband:Many carriers have that same 80/20 balance. TMO has it, Sprint has it, and I'm sure if you use VZW and roam more than 60% of the time you are in your "home" coverage they will do the same. Except since Verizon is pretty much everywhere you don't roam that much. |
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said by Trogdor9000:But I am saying the pain it is to switch customers over to CDMA. It might be a small enough pool of people that it wont be too bad Verizon is moving away from CDMA anyway. They will be selling phones without CDMA radios within a year and they will be starting their VoLTE service by the end of this year. Verizon plans to be CDMA free no later than the end of 2020 anyway. Probably sooner. |
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Mr Guy to juicem2
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2014-Apr-8 6:56 am
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Re: Good expansionsaid by juicem2:It doesn't matter anyway. Verizon has no interest in wireline. All Lowell cares about is wireless. Wireless where where most of the profit comes from. So yeah that's what he cares about the most. I'm pretty sure though he is defiantly concerned if FiOS is making a profit or not. |
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Re: Wireless is a Cash Cow*True, but it hasn't always been that way. Just maybe 7-10 years ago, there were still a decent number of places where you could be roaming. Remember, before Cingular got the old AT&T Wireless, they had no native coverage in NYC, and T-Mobile had no native coverage in California. And, until VZW bought out Unicel and ALLTEL, their coverage in Alabama and Mississippi was limited. In Alabama, if you were outside of a major metro area, you roamed on ALLTEL, and, in Mississippi, if you were just about anywhere but Jackson, you roamed on Cellular South. |
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juicem2 join:2006-03-05 Mastic Beach, NY |
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Re: Good expansionWell that's my point. They are so worried about profit now for the investors. Fios is making a profit. Verizon doesn't want to take the hit now and upgrade the non Fios markets. They are trying to ditch the regular wireline business. They are hanging up on millions upon millions of customers. If they upgrade the other markets it will pay off in the long run. People are literally begging for this service. |
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BiggA Premium Member join:2005-11-23 Central CT |
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Re: Wireless is a Cash Cow*After it's approved. |
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BiggA to Os
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2014-Apr-8 5:45 pm
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Re: C Spire and US cellularSprint doesn't have ANY Cellular anywhere, so it makes no sense to buy a carrier with cellular. Plus, they are an urban/wholesale carrier which doesn't fit USCC's model. |
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I was saying when AT&T acquires USCC, Downeast Maine has to go, as it overlaps with AT&T's CLR. The rest fits in with AT&T's spectrum and markets. |
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BiggA to Os
Premium Member
2014-Apr-8 5:46 pm
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Also, suggesting Verizon would take them over is rather idiotic. They would have to divest almost every market so that they didn't end up with both sides of CLR and virtually all the customers (since customers follow whoever has the coverage, which follows whoever has the CLR spectrum). |
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