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Re: Now wait a minute!Yeah, no doubt a single connection can only go as fast as each end. The point here though is that multiple people can be doing many things at same time to various sites and not interfere with each other. The way Google designed network, it appears most everyone in a fiberhood could get near Gbit and not interfere with each other. With other Gbit ISPs, it appears that entire hoods could be sharing a 2.5Gbit GPON and could more likely interfere with each other. |
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Re: SighMy girlfriend lives in Reidsville outside of town and no one, not AT&T or TWC, will make the necessary improvements so she can get cable or DSL. |
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WhatNow Premium Member join:2009-05-06 Charlotte, NC |
WhatNow
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2014-Apr-10 6:12 pm
No Gbps for CharlotteI guess Charlotte being the other Google Fiber city on the list do not count for much. Wonder if there will be a press release that Charlotte will get the service in a few days. If they don't do something they will lose both major cities to Google or someone else. Like RST Fiber. |
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Re: at&t at it againhave you tried usenet? if you get a good enough provider (and pc) you can probably get north of 800mbps |
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Re: Sigh
They may have not done a lot with it yet, but to say it hasn't yet materialized anywhere is a lie.
I think they will do it in places they have U-verse via FTTH.
I am still hoping RST makes it, though I am disappointed that Raleigh the city will not be getting it in 90 days due to the fact wake forest some how counts as Raleigh.
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Re: Now wait a minute!I read his review and it looks like he does get near 1gbs if there are two PCs using the network at the same time if I understood right. Cool to see a google fiber person here. I hope to be a google fiber or RST fiber customer soon. For now I am stuck with old cable tech. |
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cramer Premium Member join:2007-04-10 Raleigh, NC |
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Re: SighIt. Is. A. Lie. 300 != 1000. "We'll upgrade it later", is not 1 gig, either. |
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ncbill Premium Member join:2007-01-23 Winston Salem, NC |
ncbill
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2014-Apr-11 4:29 pm
believe it when i see itAT&T abruptly stopped its U-Verse roll-out in our area of NC a couple of years ago when they got only a few thousand subscribers in Greensboro despite a huge marketing campaign. |
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Just bought a new house off Jonestown and tried desperately to find someone faster than TWC to service us... no such luck. You realize that just a few miles to our west in Yadkinville they have fiber optic internet - not 1Gbps, but fiber and faster than TWC for less money!
I wish we were in RST territory! |
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Re: Now wait a minute!said by TBBroadband:And is still at the mercy of the rest of the Internet. So still if the download you're getting is only coming from T1 or T3 you are still only going to get that speed. So having the Gbit is pointless as you're only going to see it on a rare occasion. Yep - I have a friend in Kansas City who got Google Fiber recently.. Most of his speed tests avg 300-400 down / 300-400 up using a direct connection to their router/gateway/interface. Sure Gigabit to everyone would be nice but the reality is your going to be bottle necked by everything running off 100mb connections elsewhere. |
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We're talking about sharing neighborhood connections here, not individual connections. ATT is possibly sharing 2.5G with entire hood, is more likely many users in hood will interfere with each other than way Google Gbit is designed.
As far as household, as more services bump up speeds on the source end and Gbit users update to modern computers, they'll be able to push/pull closer to a Gbit with multiple users. IE, my highest end computer can do 800/800, some older can only do 200. But many computers/tablets at once in household can be pulling 50-200+ from various services, potentially up to near 1Gbit.
With over 15 devices in my home, on Google they won't interfere with each other if say concurrently DropBox were syncing at 200Mbps, DVR recording up to 8 channels, and a couple devices doing 4K Netflix, etc. Google Gbit would have no problem handling this within a household or even many doing this in fiberhood - 150 potential users in my condo building alone. Other Gbit ISPs with 2.5Gb GPON may not be able to handle that at the neighborhood level, let alone a single large building. |
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So show us how many non speed test sites sustain those speeds. |
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Dropbox does over 200M sustained on syncs. I'm not sure about Google HD but TV is not compressed beyond original content so could be 15+ for each recording - will check on GFiber forums. Netflix 4K is 15M per device. Torrenting is maybe major thing that can sustain over 200 today (I've seen 500) - is likely some kid(s) in your hood will do this. That adds up for entire neighborhoods if only on a 2.5G GPON.
Again, were talking about many users in a neighborhood and that ISPs are claiming to offer 300M/1G but are sharing 2.5 in entire hood. Limits could more likely be hit with them than with Google Gbit. |
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said by existenz:Dropbox does over 200M sustained on syncs. I'm not sure about Google HD but TV is not compressed beyond original content so could be 15+ for each recording - will check on GFiber forums. Netflix 4K is 15M per device. Torrenting is maybe major thing that can sustain over 200 today (I've seen 500) - is likely some kid(s) in your hood will do this. That adds up for entire neighborhoods if only on a 2.5G GPON.
Again, were talking about many users in a neighborhood and that ISPs are claiming to offer 300M/1G but are sharing 2.5 in entire hood. Limits could more likely be hit with them than with Google Gbit. 200mbs on dropbox, did you have to use an SSD to keep that speed up or did a HDD manage to keep up with that? |
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cramer Premium Member join:2007-04-10 Raleigh, NC |
cramer
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2014-Apr-12 2:47 pm
You're confusing megabits with megabytes. 200Mb ~ 20MB. I have complete crap laptop drives that read at 50-60MB (bytes) per second, while that's not gig, it's a lot faster than his dropbox upload. |
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WhatNow Premium Member join:2009-05-06 Charlotte, NC |
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Re: believe it when i see itRST and mainly Google fiber has them spooked. GF could walk off with the two biggest cities in the state. They are going to have to compete or die like their POTS is doing. Uverse configured like it is today will not make it in the future if somebody can offer much better speeds at the same or lower cost. |
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Re: minimal strategysaid by popwarner :Looks like At&t is going to only counter Google to the exact extent of Google's build out, or at least that's what it seems like so far. It gets them good press by doing the minimum necessary to compete. Other major ISPs are likely to, at most, follow in At&t's footsteps.
At this rate, Google will actually need to build out to the rest of the country before we actually see real change to infrastructure... Who knows when/if that will happen. Hopefully some critical mass will be reached and other ISP efforts will build into a self sustaining race to improve infrastructure... But I wouldn't want to bet on it. And time warner cable so far isn't even trying to match what AT&T's doing. I agree they are aiming low so far, but TWC isn't even looking like they are going to try. |
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ncbill Premium Member join:2007-01-23 Winston Salem, NC |
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Re: believe it when i see itYep, we even have fiber from the CO to a box at the entrance to our neighborhood (then copper to the homes). Yet the fastest DSL I can buy is 6MBps down, which coupled with a basic POTS package (only extras are caller ID & call waiting) costs nearly $100/month. said by WhatNow:Uverse configured like it is today will not make it in the future if somebody can offer much better speeds at the same or lower cost. |
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Re: at&t at it againI'll give usenet a shot when I get a chance.
BTW, I also found out in GF Forums that each active DVR recording/live channel uses at least 15Mbps for HD. It will be interesting to see as more people do more recordings at once in my fiberhood if Google backbone in hood can handle it - that is if I can still sustain 700-800Mbps tests.
I'm seeing more and more WiFi SSID's show up in my condo building/area with fiber in the name. |
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