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Comments on news posted 2014-04-17 15:36:26: Hoping to generate a little public and press support ahead of the company's life or death Supreme Court fight versus broadcasters later this month, Aereo has launched a new website called ProtectMyAntenna. ..

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morbo
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Aereo should win

I will be shocked if Aereo loses. They exist and should continue to exist due to how the law is written. I will be a future customer.



axiomatic

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I am a customer...

I am a customer and if for some fluke reason Aereo loses in court I will be really saddened. It's a great product and is a pioneer in forward thinking. They should not be punished for their ingenuity.


CXM_Splicer
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Re: Aereo should win

While I will not be a customer, I agree that legally it looks like they should win. There is a lot of people that think Aereo shouldn't win (and that is a fair position) but that is a different discussion than 'Are they operating under the law'.



tshirt
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Either way, Aereo loses.

If they win cable co's or others will mimic them to death (and then watch as local broadcast ceases)
or the court says "NO!" and they shut down.

Can't see a definitive win for them



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said by tshirt:

If they win cable co's or others will mimic them to death (and then watch as local broadcast ceases)

The consequences of this happening are small.

CBS has claimed they would do the same as Aereo. The problem is consumers won't pay what CBS will charge for just CBS content. They may pay for CBS content and all company channels. The price won't be competitive and it will include unskippable ads, etc.

Local broadcast will not cease as the local affiliate stations will sue them into oblivion.

If local broadcast does cease, the license and the airwaves will revert to public ownership. Maybe we will use this to pay down the debt.


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said by morbo:

Local broadcast will not cease as the local affiliate stations will sue them into oblivion.

Sue who? very few local stations are network owned most are affilites with rebroadcast contracts--not rights, so if they can't pay for content they don't get it.

said by morbo:

If local broadcast does cease, the license and the airwaves will revert to public ownership. Maybe we will use this to pay down the debt.

which in most areas leaves Aereo with no content to rebroadcast.
even where there are owned stations they may choose to go all infomercial and make the valuable network shows Cable only

better a few dollars back then nothing from aereo
These effects don't all have to be instant to doom Aereo chances to survive.

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Aereo is a pay TV service.

This isn't about if Aereo should be able to offer this service or not, it's all about one thing - Should Aereo be able to charge customers for offering this service without compensating local Digital TV stations for taking their signal and reselling it?

Federal law has long established that pay TV resellers, like cable and satellite services, must compensate local Digital TV broadcasters for retransmitting their signal. Aereo is no different. If they charge consumers to view local Digital TV stations, they should have to pay to have access to them.

What should happen is that the Supreme Court will not let Aereo make money on a broadcast without paying for it. If not, you may well see broadcast networks go off the air and move exclusively to pay TV services, exactly like CBS President Leslie Moonves recently said they could do (see link below). Believe me, this is no bluff.

Q. How will it help consumers to have local Digital TV stations go off the air?
A. It won't.

»variety.com/2014/digital/news/cb···1129362/



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reply to morbo

Re: Either way, Aereo loses.

"Local broadcast will not cease as the local affiliate stations will sue them into oblivion."

Most local affiliates in small markets barely keep their heads above water as it is. They don't have the deep pockets needed to sue them into oblivion If Aereo wins it could have a devastating effect on them as what revenue the get from their carry agreements will disappear. Comcast, DirectTV, Dish and others are watching this case very closely and if Aereo wins you will see them license or sell their technology to one or all of the above.
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reply to Ken_H

Re: Aereo is a pay TV service.

it IS a total bluff. CBS's top demographic are the poor and old OTA people that can't get Aereo because they are offline. it would be a public relations nightmare if CBS went off the air to blame Aereo right after the highest court in the land said it was legal for Aereo to continue. the best play for CBS after Aereo wins is to ignore Aereo completely - otherwise they only give Aereo more free marketing. rural OTA dependent people won't matter since they can't get decent broadband anyway, and they would look like sympathetic victims of CBS bluster in any anti-Aereo campaign.



n2jtx

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reply to Ken_H

I doubt that many, if any, cable systems still get the broadcast stations over the air. They have had direct feeds for years and pay compensation because they distribute one feed to many subscribers. When 9/11 happened and the NYC transmitters came down along with the WTC, local stations were still available on cable and were never interrupted even for and instant. They long ago had direct feeds. I had both a cable connected TV and OTA TV running simultaneously that day to watch what was going on and when the OTA signal went away, the cable connected TV continued to provide me with coverage.

The problem for the networks is that Aereo is complying with the law as it is currently written. They are giving an antenna to each subscriber to control and use, unlike the cable companies with the equivalent of a single antenna. Should the networks decide to pull their programming off the air, they have already been advised by the FCC that those valuable broadcast licenses they were given for free decades ago will be considered abandoned without no compensation to the networks. The FCC will then offer them up to anyone who wishes to bid for them. I doubt the networks would let such a valuable property slip out of their hands.
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ptbarnett

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reply to Ken_H

Re: Aereo is [not] a pay TV service.

said by Ken_H:

Should Aereo be able to charge customers for offering this service without compensating local Digital TV stations for taking their signal and reselling it?

Aereo's business model is not taking a signal and reselling it. They are renting an antenna to a consumer (an actual individual antenna, not one shared by everyone simultaneously), and the consumer is choosing to use it to receive a particular broadcaster's signal.

This may seem to be splitting hairs, but that's exactly how the law is written: a single consumer using a single antenna is not required to compensate the transmitter of the signal. If you don't like the law, change the law -- rather than advocating a reinterpretation of it.


AnonMe

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Win, lose, change

Aereo should win as current law is written. However the supreme court in recent years has been more about applying law to protect those who have put them in that job.

Win or lose: local stations are still winning. They are getting their commercials out to local viewers, and that's what it's really about. In fact, one might argue that getting stations content back to thier more localized geographical area might be beneficial to advertisers.

Aereo wins: cable companies will then lobby to change laws to somehow oust Aereo. I don't see cable cos trying to compete with the same technology. Ultimately they know profitable live TV is at the beginning of the end of its life cycle (mostly, not entirely). Additionally, other start ups may attempt the same concept to compete after Aereo provides all the legal precedent that it's ok.

Aereo loses: cable companies keep business as usual. Then they turn around and remind the local broadcast that cable is their only option to get thier advertisers seen.

Unfortunately, I think Aereo is always going to have legal battles if they survive this round. Hope they survive to fight another day!



morbo
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Re: Either way, Aereo loses.

This is a perfect class action case.



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Re: Aereo is a pay TV service.

said by n2jtx:

....by the FCC that those valuable broadcast licenses they were given for free decades ago

Those "valuable properties" have little value if they can't profit from them.
Unlike new York philly, DC most cities aren't network owned** and can't afford to go without the network exclusive programming so those market will go fast.
at the network owned stations in some markets might get some content but for stations that already only show a limited network show selection.
The FCC can stop the networks from not offering the show but the 9-11 package might be too expensive for the local. and at a certain point people ignore the rest of that channel
The former local CBS affiliate here is showing more and more infomercials during the day and has little local content to fall back on. »www.kirotv.com/
And the station that won the CBS contract service has little local connection/feel to it.

The abc and NBC affiates are paring down there many broadcast station and are concentrating on their secondary CABLE only channels already.

**just had the thought that Aereo's oddly scattered roll out is Specific to network owned areas

ISurfTooMuch

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Pointless move

Putting up a site like this is a pointless move. What do they expect people to do, call the Supreme Court and urge the justices to side with Aereo? Yes, people could call Congress if Aereo should lose and demand that the law be changed, but we all know the likelihood of that happening is somewhere between 0 and 0+0.



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Re: Aereo is [not] a pay TV service.

said by ptbarnett:

Aereo's business model is not taking a signal and reselling it. They are renting an antenna to a consumer (an actual individual antenna, not one shared by everyone simultaneously), and the consumer is choosing to use it to receive a particular broadcaster's signal.

What stops the networks from doing the Ted Turner Superstation option and offering the NY network feeds nationwide, the big 3 could call it HULU (or something remarkably similar and give you a package of live feeds and their libraries price it closer to $25-40 if most of the locals were gone.
Whether you pay the cable guy or the network, local broadcast and Aereo are endangered.

This is the way to change it to something not cheaper or consumer friendly.


KrK
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reply to Ken_H

Re: Aereo is a pay TV service.

No. They are not a reseller.


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I'm excited for the court's decision.

Aereo: We're selling an antenna.
Broadcasters: You are selling our content.

Fact is, they are doing both. The two are inseparable. The question is, is it illegal for Aereo to sell broadcaster content? If so, I think they are going down.

Kinda like arguing you aren't selling narcotics, just the the bag containing the narcotics.


ptbarnett

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reply to tshirt

Re: Aereo is [not] a pay TV service.

The networks have to first break or expire their contracts with the broadcasters. Right now, I believe the broadcasters have exclusivity agreements for their reception area, although I'd be curious if those only cover OTA transmission, and perhaps MSO and satellite.

But, setting that aside: you have a good point. The networks could create their own subscription model, with the MSO or satellite operators as middlemen, or direct to the consumer via the 'Net.

However, they would have to offer a price that people are wiling to pay. $25-$40/year might be acceptable. $25-$40/month would rapidly eviscerate their business. Four decades ago, they were the only game in (most) towns. Today, technology advances have given consumers far more choices.


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Re: Aereo should win

They will win, regardless of the legal case against them, as the four affirmed lefties will always vote against private property rights, and they will be joined by several of the alleged conservatives who have misplaced ire for their cable service. I won't be surprised to see Thomas standing alone.

I don't support them, their technical trick isn't any more legit than other rube-goldberg approaches before them, and it isn't the proper approach to solve the issue of program delivery.

But as we don't see our "leaders" negotiating or legislating to update us from 1992 and 1996, Aereo may be this generation's Betamax, and a favorable ruling may very well become the catalyst for radical change.



JS

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...

If networks could strengthen their OTA network signals, there wouldn't be a service like Aereo in the first place. Consumers are sick and tired of being force to pay for cable or satellite if they want to get local network stations. It's crazy that you're barely able to get OTA signals in the city...assuming you get any at all.


mpellegrini

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reply to tshirt

Re: Aereo is a pay TV service.

Hmm. The KIRO TV we watch here in Tacoma is still a CBS affiliate. Perhaps Snohomish is on a different reality/timeline than Tacoma.

So what's it like AstroTurfing for Comcrap, by the way? Pay any good? They give you benefits? Freebie broadband?

Must be nice to be paid to spread bullshit...



tshirt
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reply to morbo

Re: Either way, Aereo loses.

said by morbo:

This is a perfect class action case.

Class action for what? how do you define the class? what injury and what remedy?
A $1 off the first month of cable?


tshirt
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Re: Aereo is a pay TV service.

You are right they returned to CBS in 1997 after leaving for a while, which makes their infomerials some saturday and sunday afternoons all the more pathetic.

said by mpellegrini:

So what's it like AstroTurfing for Comcrap,

I wouldn't know, but "the shill card" is a sign you have nothing on topic left to say

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Re: Aereo should win

said by elray:

They will win, regardless of the legal case against them, as the four affirmed lefties will always vote against private property rights, and they will be joined by several of the alleged conservatives who have misplaced ire for their cable service. I won't be surprised to see Thomas standing alone.

The current administration has filed a brief opposing Aereo. If we assume President Obama is a liberal, and opposes Aereo, how do you rationalize liberals on the Supreme Court behaving opposite to those in the Executive?

You can read the government brief here - »www.scribd.com/doc/210378634/13-···edStates

The Obama administration conclusion regarding Aereo follows

The judgment of the court of appeals should be reversed.

Respectfully submitted.
Jacqueline C. Charlesworth
General Counsel

The Solicitor General and the Principal Deputy Solicitor General are recused in this case.

I do not know if this is a liberal or conservative issue, but am surprised to think you believe liberals in power support Aereo. Personally I believe those in power support others in power, thus Republicans and Democrats, conservative and liberal, likely do not support Aereo.

Hope and change was nonsense. It got a guy elected, but it's the same story, increasing government power, decreasing civil rights. Doesn't matter left or right who is in power.
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reply to tshirt

Re: Either way, Aereo loses.

I'm reading the briefs, unfortunately Aereo decided to only list favorable briefs filed on it's website. Other briefs can be found elsewhere easily enough.

Overall I hope Aereo wins.
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Pyrrhic

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reply to elray

Re: Aereo should win

If Aereo wins it will be a Pyrrhic victory because the OTA broadcasters will shut down and move to cable only delivery. They will have a legal win, but no business to run.


Ken_H

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Re: Aereo is a pay TV service.

Please note I edited my comment to remove references to the Supreme Court ruling on the technical aspects of the antenna system used by Aereo. Sorry for the misinformation.

said by n2jtx:

Should the networks decide to pull their programming off the air, they have already been advised by the FCC that those valuable broadcast licenses they were given for free decades ago will be considered abandoned without no compensation to the networks. The FCC will then offer them up to anyone who wishes to bid for them. I doubt the networks would let such a valuable property slip out of their hands.

The only reason the FCC licenses have value is because the FCC insures broadcasters get compensated from those reselling their content, like they did with cable and satellite. If that were to stop the licenses become worthless, which would be the case if Aereo is judged to be a legal business. Of course the spectrum itself would be of value to wireless industry in general (AT&T, Verison, Sprint, T-Mobile would be jumping for joy), but broadcast TV would cease to exist. It would be very simple; you'd only be able to watch the former broadcast networks on a pay TV provider, and Aereo would have nothing to resell. End of story.


GOAEROEO

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Sell Blank Channels

they should sell a few channels with nothing on them then they could truly say they are selling the antenna connection and not the contact.



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reply to Ken_H

Re: Aereo is a pay TV service.

I'm sorry, are you doubting how small an antenna can get? Have you seen the size of a smartphone? How large do you think the antenna is in one of those?
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