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Comments on news posted 2014-05-05 14:26:09: While there's plenty of open Wi-Fi hotspots in New York City, the city's efforts at providing Wi-Fi to users have been limited so far to offering 30 minutes of free Wi-Fi in a large number of parks, an effort that took three years to finally material.. ..



rit56

join:2000-12-01
New York, NY

A good idea

Mobile phone companies should be prohibited from being involved (Verizon, AT&T,TMobile,Sprint). A new competitor to their over reaching presence would be nice. Hey Google???


BosstonesOwn

join:2002-12-15
Wakefield, MA
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·Verizon FiOS

something tells me someone high up in government, had an overage from one of the telcos and this is their way of alleviating it... or they have to much tax money.
--
"It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!"


shmerl

join:2013-10-21

Many of those "free" WiFi hotspots

weren't really free. Free WiFi means that anyone can connect to it using standard WiFi network clients. Many of these services require installing some special client software from those vendors, which already makes it restricted.


MaynardKrebs
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It'll never happen

MPAA/RIAA will convince Republicans that this is unAmerican, and they'll hold witch-hunt hearings on Capitol Hill .......

"Are you a resident or tourist in NYC?"
"Are you now or have you ever used a free WiFi hotspot in NYC"
"Are you now or have been a copyright thief?"

Then, on behalf of their corporate masters, they'll pass a law prohibiting municipal WiFi & municipal FTTH.

As Mr. Rogers might say, "Can you say 'Fascist State? Sure, I knew that you could."



fg8578

join:2009-04-26
Salem, OR

Interesting idea

Maybe it's in the RFP, but the PR blurb doesn't say how the wifi provider will be paid. It says one revenue source for funding "structures" will be advertising along commercial corridors. That sounds like a capital expenditure, not an ongoing expense.

Also, has anyone looked at a public payphone lately? Public phones are pretty lo-tech and were designed to be "bullet-proof". How in the world will hi-tech wireless routers stand up to this kind of abuse?



jmn1207
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Ashburn, VA
kudos:1

1 recommendation

By Any Other Name

Instead of "free WiFi", how about calling it "WiFi that somebody else is paying for with no immediately obvious direct costs to consumers in order to boost public opinion for political reasons"? Too long?


nony
Premium
join:2012-11-17
New York, NY
reply to fg8578

Re: Interesting idea

Here's the RFP -
»www.nyc.gov/html/doitt/downloads···0-14.pdf

-nony



DaveDude
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join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
kudos:1
reply to MaynardKrebs

Re: It'll never happen

i was thinking time warner, would immediately try to stop this.



NormanS
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reply to MaynardKrebs

said by MaynardKrebs:

MPAA/RIAA will convince Republicans that this is unAmerican, and they'll hold witch-hunt hearings on Capitol Hill .......

I have not heard of any witch hunts here.

»www.sanjoseca.gov/?nid=3689


Local public Wi-Fi.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Brooklyn, NY
Reviews:
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·Optimum Online
·Verizon FiOS

find the underserved...

once you start taking customers away from incumbents who do nothing good for the consumer, maybe THEN they will actually get around to deploying a network and innovating!!

enlist Google or another non-incumbent company to build a network!
Maybe then, residential customers will start seeing 300 - 1000 megabit internet tiers become affordable and available!



fg8578

join:2009-04-26
Salem, OR
reply to nony

Re: Interesting idea

Thanx. Other than advertising on the phone booth and on the initial wifi login screen, I'm not seeing any revenue sources, but I'm still reading though it.


nony
Premium
join:2012-11-17
New York, NY

4 edits

"The suggested minimum annual compensation for the proposed guaranteed minimum annual amount of compensation for the initial year is twenty million dollars ($20,000,000). " [from 6. Compensation Proposal (page 19)]

Some of these funds should be used to provide an affordable broadband lifeline to NYC's homebound low-income seniors.

-nony


openbox9
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join:2004-01-26
Germany
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reply to tmc8080

Re: find the underserved...

Paid for by whom?


Madtown
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Madera, CA
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reply to jmn1207

Re: By Any Other Name

said by jmn1207:

Instead of "free WiFi", how about calling it "WiFi that somebody else is paying for with no immediately obvious direct costs to consumers in order to boost public opinion for political reasons"? Too long?

"Taxpayer WiFI" after all the taxpayers are paying for it.


Packeteers
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join:2005-06-18
Forest Hills, NY
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a very stupid implimentation

reviving old long abandoned and scrap metal stripped telephone stalls at the ground level is a stupid idea that will only be abused and ultimately vandalized. better to put weatherproof wifi repeaters high up and out of reach on DOT manage street lights and traffic signals (also better logistically for solar power) many of which already have Verizon hookups to the Met Life, Worth St and LIC DOT facilities for centralized timing box control.



fg8578

join:2009-04-26
Salem, OR
reply to nony

Re: Interesting idea

I saw that. That's how much the wifi operator has to pay the city; I was more interested in how the operator makes money, and as far as I can tell, it's from advertising.

Considering the operator bears ALL the costs, ALL the risks, and gets only HALF of the revenue, I seriously doubt anyone will take them up on this "opportunity".


tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Brooklyn, NY
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reply to openbox9

Re: find the underserved...

Why, mostly the 1% of course. Eventually, the mayor will have to make them pay for something, since NY State is trying to pull a fast one & do the opposite... by giving tycoons a treasure trove of tax breaks (such as yachts, and black colored chauffeur vehicles) .



verolom

join:2002-03-23
Reston, VA
reply to DaveDude

Re: It'll never happen

Time Warner Cable?! No worries (cough!) by that time they will be Comcast (cough, cough!!) and buy up the whole city. For a preview visit Philly.


nony
Premium
join:2012-11-17
New York, NY

4 edits
reply to fg8578

Re: Interesting idea

You will be surprised. They modeled this on their previous successes.
Read the RFI and it's responses at nyc.gov - »www.nyc.gov/html/doitt/html/busi···ne.shtml

Here's the RFI repsonse from Titan- »www.nyc.gov/html/doitt/downloads···itan.pdf

Also see the Pilot Program Press Release- »www.nyc.gov/html/doitt/html/news···12.shtml

-nony


openbox9
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Germany
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reply to tmc8080

Re: find the underserved...

said by tmc8080:

Why, mostly the 1% of course.

Of course. What a wonderful idea to make someone only earning $300K per year in one of the most expensive places to live in the whole country pay for everyone else to have free WiFi

frank124c

join:2003-12-04
Brooklyn, NY

Free Wi Fi

Its a known fact that many families are deprived of internet services because they simply cannot afford it. This situation will get worse since Verizon seems intent on forcing its customers off wired telephone lines and onto either FIOS or cell phone service. In this modern world lack of internet service deprives children of educational opportunities. Thus free wi-fi service for home pc's and telephones should be made available to everyone so that poor children and minority children will have the same educational opportunities as everyone else.



fg8578

join:2009-04-26
Salem, OR
reply to nony

Re: Interesting idea

Thanx for the links


nony
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join:2012-11-17
New York, NY

3 edits
reply to frank124c

Re: Free Wi Fi

said by frank124c:

Its a known fact that many families are deprived of internet services because they simply cannot afford it. This situation will get worse since Verizon seems intent on forcing its customers off wired telephone lines and onto either FIOS or cell phone service. In this modern world lack of internet service deprives children of educational opportunities. Thus free wi-fi service for home pc's and telephones should be made available to everyone so that poor children and minority children will have the same educational opportunities as everyone else.

You are so right.

Note that the city is making significant progress through some of their ongoing public/private partnerships -

»www.everyoneon.org/

»www.everyoneon.org/offer-and-eli···verview/

Still, more needs to be done.

-nony


SpottedCat

join:2004-06-27
Miami, FL

I've never seen municipal WiFi that works.

I've tried using municipal WiFi in various cities including Hollywood, FL, San Francisco, San Jose, etc.. and I've never been able to so much as get a web page to load.

I doubt NYC's will be any different. WiFi just doesn't scale that way.


nony
Premium
join:2012-11-17
New York, NY

Let's hope that we in nyc get it right - this time. After all, we do have a lot of bright people working on the problem.

-nony


frank124c

join:2003-12-04
Brooklyn, NY
reply to SpottedCat

I have used WiFi at the Brooklyn Public Library and it works ok. There are many very good technicians here in NYC so maybe they will be hired by the city to set it up.