wdoa join:2001-10-16 Spencer, MA
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2014-May-12 4:57 pm
I doubt Verizon DSL will ever see improvementVerizon's not so secret plan is to dump DSL through neglect so I don't think as a Verizon DSL customer I can expect to see any improvement (just the opposite) without government opposition. Never forget we are "The United Corporations of America". | |
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Re: I doubt Verizon DSL will ever see improvementI love how Verizon DSL is being beat out by HughesNet. Hah! | |
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Standing on shoulders to call themselves tall...Funny, Charter and Suddenlink were performing quite well on their own, until Comcast (supposedly) forced Netflix's hand to enter into an agreement which only had the benefit of making their Inet service look stellar.
Doesn't baseball use an asterisks to signify questionable/disputed records? | |
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openbox9
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2014-May-12 8:10 pm
Re: Standing on shoulders to call themselves tall..."Forced"? | |
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Re: Standing on shoulders to call themselves tall...What other option did Netflix have in reaching Comcast's user base? | |
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openbox9
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2014-May-13 2:45 am
Re: Standing on shoulders to call themselves tall...Pressure its CDNs to uphold their agreements? Switch CDNs? | |
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SrsBsns join:2001-08-30 Oklahoma City, OK
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You're doing it wrongComcast: People are wising up to our overpriced TV and cutting the cord. Lets compete with our own streaming offerings.
6 months later...
Comcast: The numbers are in and nobody wants our TV and half baked streaming. Lets not compete and just take a bite out of Netflix's profits using our customer's interconnection as leverage.
Is this pretty much the gist?
Furthermore how does Comcast decide who needs to pay for the "fast lane"? I'm guessing its only companies who have competing services? What about trying to charge Google because of youtube or holding CNN hostage to deliver your news? | |
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| SterlingIP Support Tier III Premium Member join:2003-05-30 Pittsburgh, PA
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Sterling
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2014-May-12 7:00 pm
Re: You're doing it wrongWhat are you talking about, Youtube already peers with Comcast, as does Google in fact. | |
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It's not a "fast lane". What's Comcast's "bite" of Netflix's profits versus what Netflix was paying its CDNs? | |
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ComcastOK
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2014-May-12 5:56 pm
Comcast fought the backbone providers and wonI see this as a win for Comcast customers. Comcast fought the greed of the backbone providers, who want profitable deals with content companies like Netflix, but who try to push off all the backbone interconnection costs to the ISPs while demanding free interconnection from the ISPs. Comcast actually is a good deal for Netflix, who can now pay less to the backbone providers than they pay Comcast, while also improving service to Comcast customers. | |
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Re: Comcast fought the backbone providers and won........but there still getting a bill from the transit providers..... FOR ALL THE OTHER ISP'S! | |
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openbox9
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2014-May-12 8:20 pm
Re: Comcast fought the backbone providers and wonFor significantly less money given the chunk of transit that's not going over the CDNs networks. | |
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openbox9
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2014-May-12 8:29 pm
Re: Comcast fought the backbone providers and wonOr an issue where the CDNs won't pay for peering. It appears the backbone providers, now CDNs, signed up to provide services that they can't/won't provide. said by Level3 :As we have explained a number of times, our policy is to refuse to pay arbitrary charges to add interconnection capacity (more detail to come in our forthcoming solutions blog post). Very telling, IMO. | |
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jmn1207
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2014-May-12 10:55 pm
Re: Comcast fought the backbone providers and wonVery telling? Why should they have to pay? It's the ISP's paying customers requesting the data, and it is the ISP that should update their interconnections. Again, this only works in areas where the ISP has market-dominance with no legitimate competition.
It is simply another BS revenue stream the ISPs are concocting. Just another rate hike to justify profit growth in an industry with a very high diffusion rate. | |
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openbox9
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2014-May-13 2:51 am
Re: Comcast fought the backbone providers and wonBecause they're sending an overly disproportionate amount of data. said by jmn1207:Again, this only works in areas where the ISP has market-dominance with no legitimate competition. Not true. Peering disputes occur between network owners/operators which there are several. There's plenty of competition amongst the tier one and tier two transit providers. There's plenty of competition among the CDNs. | |
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jmn1207
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2014-May-13 8:16 am
Re: Comcast fought the backbone providers and wonAn overwhelming majority of an ISP's customer base has an overly disproportionate connection. The survey I linked to seems to indicate that interconnection bottlenecks are predominant with ISPs that enjoy market dominance. They should be resolving the congestion for their customers like other ISPs seem to be doing in more competitive regions. To claim the problems stem from greedy backbone providers is disingenuous. | |
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Comcast is also a backbone provider. | |
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2014-May-12 8:22 pm
Re: Comcast fought the backbone providers and wonNo they are not...
They are a national provider. They are not a backbone provider.
National provider = ISP. Backbone provider = NSP.
National provider = Tier 2 network. Backbone provider = Tier 1 network. | |
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| ieolusSupport The Clecs join:2001-06-19 Danbury, CT
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Its so unfair to Comcast. Why does Comcast have so much traffic coming into their network anyway?
Oh yeah, Comcast customers request it. Huh. | |
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looks familiarThat graph looks eerily similar to Verizon's worst to first commercials there running these days.
....someone steal the board, and swap it out with this. Better yet, go put this on there FB and Twitter pages, I'll Brb. | |
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Re: Wonder why no Google Fiber listedGoogle Fiber is listed, #1 in fact. Have to click 'Include Smaller ISPs' at the bottom. | |
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2014-May-12 10:58 pm
Re: Wonder why no Google Fiber listedThank you! | |
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CoolMan
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2014-May-12 10:59 pm
Re: Wonder why no Google Fiber listedNo problem. | |
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2014-May-13 12:16 am
Re: Wonder why no Google Fiber listedfunny, you would think they stack up against muni's and small companies relatively closely, but it really makes them look MUCH worse and considering that Google is building out, not just upgrading existing infrastructure. | |
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2014-May-12 9:23 pm
Comcast is justF'n embarrassing. Why ignominimize yourself? | |
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monopoliesVerizon is pathetic. Which wouldnt be a problem if, you know, people had a choice.
Government is clearly bought out so forget real intervention to raise the standard......Google Fiber is our only hope. | |
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2014-May-13 3:28 pm
Re: Con-castIt can't be overstressed enough that Netflix doesn't 'do' or 'use' anything. The movies and series at Netflix are just files sitting on harddrives ...
... until accessed by the user ...
... who is --already-- paying for the connection (and bandwidth speed tiers) on their own home and/or office accounts.
Con-cast has figured out a (specious and really pretty illegal) way to extort double-pay ... by interfering with the rightful function of the originally contracted tier to the requesting user, and trying to act as though any of it is somehow the 'fault' of the remote site.
If you agree, repeat this over and over until people understand it. | |
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