Jim Kirk Premium Member join:2005-12-09 49985 |
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Good. Hopefully in this battle it will come down to full disclosure on both sides and then we will truly see what the "issue" is and who is responsible. |
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AVonGauss Premium Member join:2007-11-01 Boynton Beach, FL |
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Re: Peering question....Of course I do, I was stating my opinion. Job posting? That's usually the first and weak argument someone likes to make (i.e. the person is a cable / telco troll). I have never directly, and to the best of my knowledge indirectly, ever been paid by a cable or telco company - its not even close to my primary field.
If you think NetFlix has been a saint over the last six months in all of this public rabble, you really need to take a deep breath and drink less of the kool-aid. |
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Re: ApparentlyThat really doesn't help your argument... A legal action does not imply wrong or right and actually might be good for consumers since the discovery phase might make public some of the actual data that would show us what's really going on. |
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Re: So, Comcast has had their meter independantly audited... will Neflix?While I would actually tend to agree a paid for study or even audit deserves more scrutiny, I would hardly compare a bandwidth meter to a drug viability analysis. My point, which you seem to have ignored, is they also tend to release the supporting data. Did you read it and find an area that is suspicious? |
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said by AVonGauss:While I would actually tend to agree a paid for study or even audit deserves more scrutiny, I would hardly compare a bandwidth meter to a drug viability analysis. My point, which you seem to have ignored, is they also tend to release the supporting data. Did you read it and find an area that is suspicious? Why don't you read the comments section of that article on this site? There are plenty of complaints about the methodology. But more importantly, there's no way to confirm the data is accurate. The release of the report wasn't "trouble" for Comcast, it was a calculated PR move to bolster the argument for their merger. |
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AVonGauss Premium Member join:2007-11-01 Boynton Beach, FL |
The released the first audit long before there was any TWC merger.... |
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Gave upAt our end we gave up on any Netflix bandwidth. They started showing problems in the fall of 2013 and has gotten so bad that we cannot say it will even work right at our fiber optic connection. I personally have a 50Meg connection via wireless and Netflix online truly sucks. Netflix want us to peer with them but the cost, outrageous. |
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2014-Jun-6 5:49 am
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Re: Peering question....Because Comcast realized that the only reason people pay an extra $20 for higher-end speeds is to not have to wait for freaking Youtube and Netflix to load. After all, if the TCP conversation started at a Comcast IP address, why the heck should peering matter (between Comcast and the video sites)? If it's another ISP's customer making that same request through a peering arrangement (between say, Comcast and Verizon), that's a different kettle of fish! :/ |
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Anon
2014-Jun-6 5:49 am
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Re: ApparentlyAlthough it generally indicates that they don't want Netflix talking! Remember the biggest problem with NSL abuse? That if it was happening, no one could legally know... |
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openbox9 Premium Member join:2004-01-26 71144 |
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Re: Good for themWill Netflix ever call out Level 3 for poor streaming quality and buffering? |
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Re: So, Comcast has had their meter independantly audited... will Neflix?And it's very plausible that this is not deliberate congestion but may be the fault of Netflix's service providers. Why are they never questioned, especially given Level 3 and Cogent's histories? |
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Re: Good for themNope. The general public have no clue what Level 3 is. |
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ieolusSupport The Clecs join:2001-06-19 Danbury, CT |
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Re: So, Comcast has had their meter independantly audited... will Neflix?This is how it works... 1. manipulate data 2. provide said manipulated data to "independent 3rd party" 3. release report based on manipulated data 4. ??? 5. profit |
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Re: Peering question....Which is more likely...
1. Comcast suddenly realizing that their customers paying extra money for a service and decide to help them get that service.
2. Netflix paid their protection money. |
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Re: Make me understandNetflix paid protection money to Comcast to peer directly with their network in February or thereabouts. |
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Re: Gave upWho is "us"? Do you run an ISP? Why not take Netflix up on their OpenConnect and then all problems go away? |
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dfxmatt join:2007-08-21 Crystal Lake, IL 1 edit |
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Re: So, Comcast has had their meter independantly audited... will Neflix?They have probably been yelling at their service providers continually about this for it to actually come to a public spat. Also see » www.techdirt.com/article ··· rs.shtml , which shows that this is 100% verizon. |
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Bengie25 join:2010-04-22 Wisconsin Rapids, WI |
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Re: Good for themLevel 3 isn't a residential ISP and they almost never have congestion issues, and when they do, they're quick to fix them. |
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Re: So, Comcast has had their meter independantly audited... will Neflix?Cogent has a horrible history, but Level 3, while not flawless, is a shining example of an ethical business. |
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Re: Gave upNetflix is free to peer with at an IX.
If you want a CDN device, then you need to meet a minimum of 2gb/s of peak bandwidth.
These two options are hard for smaller ISPs, but simple for larger ones. |
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openbox9 Premium Member join:2004-01-26 71144 |
to dfxmatt
Re: So, Comcast has had their meter independantly audited... will Neflix?That article doesn't show anything except for another outlet jumping on the "it's Verizon's fault" bandwagon. |
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Shining example of ethical business? Please, do tell. |
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Re: Good for themsaid by Bengie25:they almost never have congestion issues Really? So Netflix's path to Verizon customers using Level 3 is never congested? It's just Cogent? Ok, will Netflix ever call out Cogent for poor stream quality and buffering? |
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tshirt Premium Member join:2004-07-11 Snohomish, WA |
to Probitas
Re: So, Comcast has had their meter independantly audited... will Neflix?Nobody died here, MAYBE, at most, somebody pays a few extra a month until it get a hearing. MAYBE |
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Skype does similar, too, even when it don't mention a specific ISP name in a warning message. |
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Pretty coolI personally think this is pretty cool and hope to see more of this for ALL ISPs. Sometimes a little shaming gets engineers off there butts and things get fixed if there are things that need to be. |
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fg8578 join:2009-04-26 San Antonio, TX |
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Re: Good for themsaid by why60loss:I would likely do the same if I ran Netflix. It's time to put some of the blame on the crappy ISP's like Verizon. Netflix to suspend its controversial ISP error messages |
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