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Comments on news posted 2014-06-10 10:44:14: Yesterday in a blog post Netflix stated that the ISP-blaming congestion warnings warnings Verizon is threatening to sue over were part of a test Netflix is running that the company already planned to conclude on June 16. ..

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tshirt
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So have they signed an agreement or not?

I thought they had but NF makes it sound like it's still being hammered out.


ITALIAN926

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Cant always apply

In circumstances that the customers smartTV or blu-ray is 200 feet from a router, or there is wireless interference, giving them poor throughput, how does Netflix justify stating that the problem is VERIZONS NETWORK? Just sayin...

norm

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said by ITALIAN926:

In circumstances that the customers smartTV or blu-ray is 200 feet from a router, or there is wireless interference, giving them poor throughput, how does Netflix justify stating that the problem is VERIZONS NETWORK? Just sayin...

It's my understanding that they only use the customer's connection as a trigger and then go on to see if a large number of other customers in the area are having similar problems in addition to some other metrics. If only a small subset of customers are having problems because of their home connection, they shouldn't receive a message stating that it's the ISP.

shpatb

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reply to ITALIAN926
They're saying it's the difference between speeds seen at non-peak times vs peak times. It's not like customers wifi works perfectly in the morning and horribly every night.

ITGeeks

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Congestion

Well if the real issue is congestion, VZ could start a sign-up block and really put a damper on Netflix. But then again; they'd cry about that too.

biochemistry
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Forum

According to northeast FiOS users on the forums here, SuperHD is still impossible on a 50/25 connection. What gives Verizon? You know a large portion of your (paying) customers use Netflix so give them a decent connection already.
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karpodiem
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all about control

and with it of course, comes money.

the tel/cablecos (and by proxy, the NSA) can't seem to have enough of it, and their greedy nature comes through when someone manages to get rich offering an application over 'their pipes'

UnnDunn
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Re: So have they signed an agreement or not?

They have, but Verizon is dragging their feet in implementing the needed changes.


Pathfinder
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said by UnnDunn:

They have, but Verizon is dragging their feet in implementing the needed changes.

Proof of that?

elefante72

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reply to biochemistry

Re: Forum

That's incorrect and I have 50/25. In fact outside of homegrown Netflix outages, I have never had a sustainable issue. Youtube was junky until I went to HTML5, but that was saturated flash CDN. Google fixe that some months ago.

Have been getting SuperHD for some time. I also don't have buffering issues. My netflix comes from DC (Level3) intercon and has for over a year. My other platforms (Amazon, HBOGO, Vevo, Youtube, etc) have gotten notably faster in the last month to stream on, so it looks like connections have been getting better.


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Re: Congestion

said by ITGeeks:

Well if the real issue is congestion, VZ could start a sign-up block and really put a damper on Netflix. But then again; they'd cry about that too.

Consumers are hoping for that extreme action as it would be the last straw and realization by everyone that net neutrality is needed else the guys that own the pipes decide who wins and who doesn't. Dumb pipe providers should remain dumb pipe providers.

bsangs

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Re: Forum

Ditto. I'm in the Northeast with FiOS and never have a problem streaming Netflix, sometimes multiple streams at once, and get Super HD every time. Doesn't matter the time of day either. My friends and neighbors in my area with FiOS report the same thing.

tpkatl

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Hilarious letter!

Netflix's lawyer got in a great dig - great analogy to the Christie bridge scandal (closing three lanes on the bridge and then blaming the drivers for a traffic jam)


cableties
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Re: Forum

I've had some issue with Netflix SuperHD but I think its the content (new orange is the new black episodes...) being viewed by many.
Just like HBOGo and titles like GoT on Sunday, or True Detectives finale, the traffic is greater than the load can handle, not the bandwidth to/from.

But Xbox Live still blows..on a 50/25...and that could be their proxy, not Verizon FiOS.

Still... I am getting annoyed at the finger pointing. Anyone with 300/150 having issues? THAT would be the ultimate... ("you got a C7 Stingray and you can't go faster than the traffic? Tsk...)
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sevenbelow

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Re: Cant always apply

They only detect throughput to the wan interface, not wan to lan.


nothing00

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Re: Hilarious letter!

It may be more of a threat. Consider the dirty laundry that would come out and how people would feel about Verizon if what they were doing became general public knowledge supported by internal evidence.

To me, it reads, "keep it up Verizon and you're going to have a huge PR distaster on your hands". Similar to the bridge scandal.

elefante72

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Re: Forum

+1

...I stopped using my Xbox for anything outside of WMC and cancelled all my XBG memberships because of streaming issues and MSFT bounty on eliminating XBG family. Replaced w/ Roku and refurb Logitech remotes. Couldn't be happier.

Even the new "free" streaming from MSFT cannot repair--to me--how they tried to screw everyone w/ XB1. I won't be buying one EVER... I won't forget and AM voting...


ieolus
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reply to Pathfinder

Re: So have they signed an agreement or not?

Well, how is your Netflix viewing going?

serge87

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said by UnnDunn:

They have, but Verizon is dragging their feet in implementing the needed changes.

The connections are just getting set up. Data from network research firm Renesys show the two networks already set up a test connection to carry video in the Dallas area, but major networks typically need links in dozens of cities to deliver traffic effectively.

Verizon said it plans to fulfill the terms of its agreement with Netflix over the next few months.

"We are working on the first 13 cities, and we do plan to have everything done in 2014," said Verizon spokesman Bob Elek. "All of this kerfuffle that is going on isn't affecting that."

Verizon VP David Young told CNET, "We can't just snap our fingers and the network is upgraded. We need new facilities. We have to do the equipment engineering. Build it and test it. We are doing all of that right now. And it should be completed during this year." When finished, Netflix's connection to the Verizon network will supply "adequate capacity to satisfy the needs of their subscribers."


»online.wsj.com/articles/netflix-···02004231

»arstechnica.com/business/2014/06···verizon/

AVonGauss
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To keep with the conspiracy theory that the ISPs are holding poor little NetFlix hostage for the hoards of cash the transit deal is going to bring them...

Why would Verizon drag their feet when they likely don't get paid fully until a certain SLA level is reached?


nothing00

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Maybe they'd rather see Netflix "go away" than collect money from them.

AVonGauss
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Re: Hilarious letter!

... if it was that simple, NetFlix would have most likely not backed down so quick on the congestion message.

jjeffeory

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Re: So have they signed an agreement or not?

Last night a video stopped playing for some reason. Yes, I'm on FiOS using Netflix. I had to restart the stream, then it worked.


nothing00

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Re: Forum

said by cableties:

Anyone with 300/150 having issues? THAT would be the ultimate...

Yes, I had 300/150 and couldn't stream Netflix above 288/384 resolution. I downgraded my package because Verizon simply wasn't delivering and there was no way I was being that much of a sucker.

Now that I've downgraded my Netflix experience hasn't changed one bit. Paying a huge premium for speedy provisioning simply doesn't matter if Verizon won't provide fast links outside their network.

AVonGauss
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Re: So have they signed an agreement or not?

Nice theory, but that's just not how corporations work. If they wanted to do as you suggest they would have most likely offered a transit deal for NetFlix's in-house CDN that NetFlix would be unwilling to accept (i.e. jack up the price astronomically).

jjeffeory

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Re: Forum

I had FiOS in Northern Virginia and could get SuperHD on a 50/25 connection, but I would also get buffering issues.

Same thing with FiOS in Southern California.

Youtube was terrible in NoVa. Youtube has been just fine in SoCal.

jjeffeory

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reply to elefante72
Me too. Got a WiiU and PS4. Love the PS4 Netflix app. Like the WiiU Netflix app. no Xone for me. Sorry MSFT, you screwed up and I will not forget!


Frink
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Re: So have they signed an agreement or not?

Wow, really? You mean you just don't add new 10Gig ports to a LAG bundle on the Internet feeder pipe and call it a day?


DaSneaky1D
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Re: Cant always apply

said by ITALIAN926:

In circumstances that the customers smartTV or blu-ray is 200 feet from a router...

That's an awfully large house...

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Good guy Netflix.......
Hopefully they use this opportunity to drive the net neutrality point home. This is literally the best one, it affects people in a way, and a lot of people are affected.

.......run with it, and don't stop!
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