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Comments on news posted 2014-06-11 12:24:32: When comedian John Oliver recently amusingly explained net neutrality and called for the Internet's trolls to descend upon on the FCC to do what they do best, the FCC's website commenting system shut down shortly after. ..



nothing00

join:2001-06-10
Centereach, NY

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Isn't a DOS an attack?

Fairly weak claims for an attack in the article. Really, this sounds like the web site was overwhelmed. Doesn't matter if it's the database back end.

The FCC web site probably isn't set up for the traffic it got...


RichIbCT

@198.228.201.x

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dead record lock LOL

I suspect he meant a database "record deadlock", not a "dead record lock". LOL

LSTA

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reply to nothing00

Re: Isn't a DOS an attack?

Having run a website on launch day where we've been overwhelmed with messages from MySQL such as "Too Many Connections"
I can definitely say that normal traffic can cause "denial of service" of both databases and websites, if they aren't configured and structured to handle such a load.

No matter what this sensational site says, it wasn't "hacking". I won't go so far as to say there wasn't automatic posting involved, but a true denial of service attack is much more reliable and still relatively easy to do than a partial one that only affects a database ... how would you know that the FCC's databases would fall over under load in advance of your "attack"?

Probitas

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GASP

People listened to someone who understands what's going on....shocking. The FCC comment system can't handle taking comments....shocking. People making a story out of nothing....shocking.

Important things to remember:

1)The FCC isn't set up to work for you, it's working for THEM - a poorly designed public comment system lines right up with that.

2)Coincidence is not proof. You could just as easily say some industry hackers got together and did it themselves to cast blame onto Oliver.

Nothing surprising at all in this.


GoNetNeut

@173.227.18.x

Another FCC Proceeding to Comment On

Besides proceeding # 14-28, comment on this one too.

09-191 - In the Matter of Preserving the Open Internet Broadband Industry Practices.

MaynardKrebs
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Poorly designed policies & a poorly designed database

We already know that the FCC's policies are poorly designed.
A good guess is that their databases/web server is poorly designed as well.

After all,
The FCC is for the Indumbents,
By the Indumbents.
We don't need no stinkin' comments from the rabble.


newview
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While you're there ...

Click for full size
quote:
Regardless, it's a good opportunity to remind folks that if you haven't submitted your comments on net neutrality to the FCC, you should do so here (proceeding 14-28).
While you're filing your comments on Proceeding 14-28 "Protecting and Promoting the Open Internet" (which, by the way ... does neither) you may also want to file your comments on Proceeding 14-57 "Applications of Comcast Corporation and Time Warner Cable Inc. for Consent to Assign or Transfer Control of Licenses and Applications" ... the Comcast / Time Warner CableMafia Merger.

»apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/hotdocket/list


Oleg
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Birmingham, AL
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update: FCC responds

The only thing more charming than John Oliver's 13-minute net neutrality explainer? The idea that we, his viewers, managed to crash part of the FCC website because we submitted too many comments about its proposed net neutrality regulations. In fact, though »www.engadget.com/2014/06/10/fcc-···hackers/


GoNetNeut

@173.227.18.x
reply to newview

Re: While you're there ...

Also this proceeding number:

09-191 - In the Matter of Preserving the Open Internet Broadband Industry Practices.


MxxCon

join:1999-11-19
Brooklyn, NY
reply to Probitas

Re: GASP

Who pee in your soup? :/


MxxCon

join:1999-11-19
Brooklyn, NY

Decoupled Systems.

And this is why you should not create a tightly coupled infrastructure.
Your comment system should submit messages to a queue where a worker will pick them up and write out into database. That way you won't get "dead record locks".
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ieolus
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join:2001-06-19
Danbury, CT
reply to MxxCon

Re: GASP

said by MxxCon:

Who pee in your soup? :/

The FCC has been peeing in our collective soup for years.
--
"Speak for yourself "Chadmaster" - lesopp


firephoto
We the people
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reply to MaynardKrebs

Re: Poorly designed policies & a poorly designed database

said by MaynardKrebs:

We already know that the FCC's policies are poorly designed.
A good guess is that their databases/web server is poorly designed as well.

So lets not point the finger at the FCC directly when we all know there are creators hiding in the shadows..

quote:
Savvis Federal Systems Inc., a CenturyLink company, will provide managed public cloud hosting for www.fcc.gov, myfcc.gov and the commission's other public domains.

The contract includes infrastructure as a service, and extends to the task of migrating the FCC's existing infrastructure to a CenturyLink cloud data center.

What type of business doesn't like net neutrality?
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bmccoy

join:2013-03-18
Port Orchard, WA
reply to MaynardKrebs
And, don't forget about their terrible website. It sort of reminds me of this.

binded2

join:2009-08-11
Providence, RI
reply to nothing00

Re: Isn't a DOS an attack?

Conspiracy theory all of the Internet providers attacked the website so you couldnt make comments

Probitas

join:2014-06-05
Canada

What this says about the FCC.

They shouldn't be the industry watch dog if they can't tell the difference between a DDOS attack and their own crappy server being the root cause.

Makes you wonder why they really exist, huh...HUH?


MxxCon

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Brooklyn, NY
reply to ieolus

Re: GASP

Mine taste fine.


ieolus
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said by MxxCon:

Mine taste fine.

I'm sorry you got used to the pee taste.
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