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Comments on news posted 2014-06-13 11:19:53: Verizon's latest attempt to thwart real net neutrality protections? Claim that passing consumer protection laws that maintain an open Internet will hurt the disabled. ..


Mike
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Mike

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A reasonably valid argument

said by tfa :
Similarly, smartphone-based medical devices that are popular with disabled people require fast Internet service. Telecom industry lobbyists have argued that, without a fast lane, disabled Americans could get stuck with subpar service as Internet traffic increases. AAPD's Perriello says this rationale could be genuine but seems "convenient."
Instead of deploying actual broadband to the country and taking us out of 31st place, let's QoS what little we have, charge the disabled more (or maybe everyone) through some made up fee, and probably create a valid Americans with Disability Act discrimination case.

If I were a telecom, I'd charge everyone for everything because you're all addicted to the product.

So if any major telecom wants to give a job doing basically Sith level policy work that would generate billions and leave the public smiling, give me a PM.

tshirt
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I'm pretty sure...

...current remote medical devices don't need much faster service, they need highly reliable service.

adequate service may not be available everywhere, just as the hospitals and medical facilities that back up the devices are not everywhere.
Sorry the wheel chair path to the top of Everest is also not a priority.
also sorry not everyone can do everything and we can't make everyone absolutely the same, some limitations are in fact limiting.
54761437 (banned)
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Re: I'm pretty sure...

To be fair, you care more about your stock prices more than you care about silly "theoretical" concepts like net neutrality. Your past posts have soundly proven your alliances.

tshirt
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tshirt

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Re: I'm pretty sure...

said by 54761437:

To be fair,

It would be fair if it was true. but I no longer work for anyone and my stocks are for the most part broad index mutual funds, the few individual shares I still hold are because my father and grandfather gave me a share of this or that. since I'll never sell them (going to my son) no point in a pump a dump for me.
I have how observed a number of things over the last few millennia, including to be sure you are observing through a clean lens.
Preexisting scratches and smudges can fool the eye and forgone conclusions can cloud the mind, your post is such an example.
masterbinky
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Disabled people are hurt without Net Neutrality.

If the services for disabled people never reach the critical point to recieve a fast lane, the services would be hindered by Verizon, go unused and shut down. If the disabled people cannot afford the additional cost of the fast lane or the increase in cost of the service due to the service paying for the fast lane for the consumer, the service will go unused and shut down. Even if the service is a not-for profit, fast lanes would increase the cost for that service if it ever reaches the fast lane qualifications.
masterbinky

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Re: Disabled people are hurt without Net Neutrality.

I forgot to add the word potentially to each of the outcomes. Also, How could they potentially BAN with network neutrality in place?

ArrayList
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this is disgusting.

The disabled and non-disabled deserve the same Internet. What a ridiculous presentation.

cableties
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Re: this is disgusting.

said by ArrayList:

The disabled and non-disabled deserve the same Internet. What a ridiculous presentation.

+1
Wow, Verizon marketing staff really low-balling the neutrality hype during the Special Olympics. Coincidence, I think not.

Zenit_IIfx
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I think Verizon's copper network is more of a risk to the public....

Click for full size
A network ahead, right?
A small collage of VZ's wonderful network from around their footprint...(yes I know one of the peds has Fiber in it, but there was some copper just lying at the bottom wet)

An interesting version of Network Neutrality would be to destroy the network, so you no longer have to be neutral, right?

How the hell does network neutrality hurt the disabled?
And why is Verizon so afraid of Net Neutrality? They are talking about more than Comcast. I would say Comcast stands to loose more (their Cable TV juggernaut) than VZ in such a situation.
Bengie25
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Re: I think Verizon's copper network is more of a risk to the public....

Wow, they still have above ground equipment and wires? Less likely to have issues with underground. That's what my ISP did.

tshirt
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Re: I think Verizon's copper network is more of a risk to the public....

said by Bengie25:

Wow, they still have above ground equipment and wires? Less likely to have issues with underground. That's what my ISP did.

Most of the world and even the US still has above ground utility wires because it costs 20% to put them up and they last 5 times as long, but are much simpler to replace if needed.
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Re: I think Verizon's copper network is more of a risk to the public....

Also on that point, less likely to have a utility come along and accidentally dig them up.

I know, Call before you dig and all that....youd be surprised how often that is not the case
54761437 (banned)
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Yes, just look what a super job Verizon has done of maintaining their above-ground equipment!

NormanS
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said by Bengie25:

Wow, they still have above ground equipment and wires? Less likely to have issues with underground. That's what my ISP did.

It's a work-in-progress where I live. Look at photos from 10, 25 and 50 years ago, and the difference is noticeable.
Kearnstd
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yes its very very common for all utilities to be above ground all around the world. Only in new planned suburban housing developments and cities/downtowns are lines usually buried. Even then older downtowns have overhead as well.
ISurfTooMuch
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A stinking pile of bullshit

Wow, these guys have absolutely no shame. This is the most dishonest argument I've heard in a while, and I've heard plenty.
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Re: A stinking pile of bullshit

Verizon has sunk to a new low. Shameless corporation.

Kuto
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Why not upgrade?

Any one with half a brain cell should be asking why doesnt Verizon or any other ISP claiming this not upgrade their service.
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Verizons next horrible PR move....

From the office of the CEO.

Effective immediately Verizon will randomly each day place a basket full of puppies behind the tires of one our company vehicles. As long as there is no net neutrality, we will require each of our employees to check behind the vehicle for the puppies. However, if net neutrality gets reenacted, due to budgetary restrictions, we will no longer be able to afford to have our employees check behind the tires of our vehicles before departing on a service call or installation. So if net neutrality were to be reinstated, some puppies may inadvertently get harmed. Therefore animal welfare advocates and humane society members should join Verizon in our fight against net neutrality.
posthaste
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Net Neutrality Soap Opera

This is the gift that keeps on giving.

Net neutrality also encourages money laundering, drug trafficking, wire fraud, and terrorism.

And reclassification under Title II is a national security issue!
Kearnstd
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Re: Net Neutrality Soap Opera

said by posthaste:

This is the gift that keeps on giving.

Net neutrality also encourages money laundering, drug trafficking, wire fraud, and terrorism.

And reclassification under Title II is a national security issue!

Don't forget child pornography. Gotta throw that in too. Terrorists and Child Porn, The quick way to sell any steaming pile of BS to the Fox News watching masses!

Flyonthewall
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Pretty low

Even for a company that treats people as wallets, that's low. They should be roundly ridiculed online and in the press for this obvious attempt at 'for the children'...
NetKrazy
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You have to play their game.

The problem is that facts and "logic" are lost on to many people in the face of the corporate advertising system. There isn't (for my non marketing brain) a way to explain to the consumers that there is no such thing as a "fast and Slow lane". There is such a thing as Cost savings that I can allow all connections to saturate and allow those who "pay" access through those connections.

Your fighting a message that they can break down to "If all traffic is equal Grandma could die". We know this isn't the case we (those who support neutrality) know it's not that simple but we can't convey a counter message that's equally as drastic to scare people into action. Sadly we're a fear based, reactionary society at this point.

You can't even use a toll road analogy in this instance because in most cases this going to drive "business to business" transactions and not consumer to access provider. How do you go up against the doom and gloom gorilla when it's harder to offer more than simply "Their wrong, that's not what happens". And doing this on the scale and funds to get the message back is even harder to accomplish.
big_e
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Re: You have to play their game.

The counter message for "If all traffic is equal Grandma could die" would be that it is time to regulate the internet as an essential public utility with minimum quality of service standards.

The argument that internet access having life safety implications is not one that the corporations should be making as they would then be supporting the case for universal access to broadband that has a certain minimum standard of speed and reliability. This is the exact opposite of what they really want, cherry picked availability with no standards.

Rogue Wolf
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"They're a bunch of lying corporate thieves" would be simple enough, but then lawyers would start getting involved.

thedragonmas
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what a crock

as a low income disabled person. i find this disgusting. for one thing mediacom doesnt support lifeline for their phone service, the discount, not the equipment.

for another a data cap would hurt disabled folks, do they get an exemption? prime example, talking books for the blind are now digital downloads from BARD, those suckers are 100+MB's each, i had one novel nearly 1GB

as for wireless, blind? would like to have GPS mapping to help you find stores? guess what? no discount for data for you.

yes, i know, we should have to pay the same rates as every one else, im just pointing out what kind of stinking pile of crap this is. because if it where true, wheres all the so called special services provided by them or others that would be effected?

IowaCowboy
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Kiss my (you know what)

As a person with a disability I find this far from the truth. Consumer protections have actually helped people with disabilities. There is a federal law called the Americans with Disabilities Act which is one of the biggest consumer protections out there for people with disabilities, whether it be mental, physical or temporary.

It requires that businesses (aka places of public accommodation) make there facilities and services accessible to people with disabilities. It does not require full accommodation but reasonable accommodation to be made for people with disabilities. It also requires facilities to be accessible to persons with mobility impairments. It also bans discrimination against individuals with disabilities.

This is totally unethical to use people with disabilities as AstroTurf for lobbying. People with disabilities appreciate the consumer protections granted to them, especially ones that remove barriers to independence or level of functioning. And Net Neutrality is important to them as many use the internet for video chat or IP relay because of communication disabilities such as speech/hearing impairments.

And I myself would like to see ISPs declared common carriers under Title II. And I think accommodating disabled users should be part of the universal service requirements (such as exempting IP replay or video chat for disabled from ISP caps).

chip89
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Re: Kiss my (you know what)

I hate That med system says I have a disability I DON'T okay I'm like everybody else! I don't take any meds at all! I don't really have it. (It usally never happens) I hate the ADA It did't help me when I had a cast on my leg for 2 months. (Thank good for caring people)