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Comments on news posted 2014-06-17 08:19:08: For those of you that actually have a television set that can show it (and haven't seen the show), Netflix has announced that Breaking Bad is now available in 4K format. ..

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davidc502

join:2002-03-06
Mount Juliet, TN
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4k is great... Usage caps? Not so much

I think 4k is great, and the people who can afford these TV's, that can render 4k, to not mind paying extra fees for breaking usage caps..............


JimThePCGuy
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4K and Data Caps ?

I wonder how many 4K users with Comcast are in Georgia and Maine?
Will be interested to hear how fast they blow through their "test" data caps.


bigballer

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how about...

better uncompressed hd


tshirt
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said by bigballer :

...
how about...
better uncompressed hd

Nope too many people would use that and Netflix couldn't keep up.
Better a buzz-word that few people might try, but very few would actually use on a regular basis.

78036364

join:2014-05-06
USA
reply to JimThePCGuy

Re: 4K and Data Caps ?

Netflix website says 4K runs at 16 Mbps so that's about 7 GB per hour.

78036364

join:2014-05-06
USA

4K is useless

Ok if you have a 80 inch TV you normally site 5 feet in front of sure you might be able to tell a difference. Other than that this is like 3-D all over again. A gimmick.


IPPlanMan
Holy Cable Modem Batman

join:2000-09-20
Washington, DC
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Verizon...

Verizon better hustle up with that peering work...

rradina

join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO

H.265

They claim to be using H.265 and predict bandwidth requirements in the 15Mbps range.


RevisedHelp

@68.87.100.x

Netflix now saying 25 Mbps required...



cablegeek01

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reply to 78036364

Re: 4K is useless

Click for full size
Those of us with home theaters are excited about this.
People (possibly you at the time) said the same thing about 720p and 1080p. My 110" screen and I can't wait for widespread 4K. Especially for sports.


gerick

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San Antonio, TX
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reply to 78036364
I was watching two 50 inch TV's from about 6 feet back. One was 1080p playing Spiderman Blu-ray, the other was playing the same movie in 4k. I thought the difference was significant. Like comparing SD to HD.
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bn1221

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realistically who sits that close to a TV?

ke4pym
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reply to JimThePCGuy

Re: 4K and Data Caps ?

I wonder how many 4k users understand that their eyes cannot resolve that resolution on the tiny screens in their homes?

ke4pym
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reply to cablegeek01

Re: 4K is useless

said by cablegeek01:

Those of us with home theaters are excited about this.
People (possibly you at the time) said the same thing about 720p and 1080p. My 110" screen and I can't wait for widespread 4K. Especially for sports.

FoxSports is already using 4k cameras. But don't expect to have that 4k signal reach your home anytime soon. Like, in decades.

They're using the 4k cameras to provide extra slo-mo and high rate zooms for various events.

78036364

join:2014-05-06
USA
reply to cablegeek01
said by cablegeek01:

Those of us with home theaters are excited about this.

People (possibly you at the time) said the same thing about 720p and 1080p. My 110" screen and I can't wait for widespread 4K. Especially for sports.

Yes less than 1% have an 110 inch screen. THAT's the point. I'm not sure why people that are small minority of something think that applies to them applies to everyone.

Fact is people in normal TV viewing situation with normal eyes on normal TV sets can NOT differentiate between 1080p and 4K and that's just factual.

even that chart says you have to sit 7.5 feet in front of a 110 inch screen to get the full benefit of 4K. I wouldn't sit closer than 20 feet from that size screen.

78036364

join:2014-05-06
USA
reply to bn1221
said by bn1221:

realistically who sits that close to a TV?

people looking to be blind by 50. A 50 inch TV I'd be at least 10 feet back.

78036364

join:2014-05-06
USA
reply to ke4pym
said by ke4pym:

said by cablegeek01:

Those of us with home theaters are excited about this.
People (possibly you at the time) said the same thing about 720p and 1080p. My 110" screen and I can't wait for widespread 4K. Especially for sports.

FoxSports is already using 4k cameras. But don't expect to have that 4k signal reach your home anytime soon. Like, in decades.

Yep. OTA only does 1080i at best and will be that way for the foreseeable future. cable/satellite could move also only do 1080i at best. Could do 1080p with mpeg 4 but that would constrain bandwidth. Sure moving to h.265 they could do 4K. That will cost a ton of money to convert to that. Say hello to $300 a month cable bills. And even with h.265 they actually have to reduce the amount of channels offered.


JimThePCGuy
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reply to ke4pym

Re: 4K and Data Caps ?

The same thing was said about 1080p.
You'll see it when they have 200"+ jumbotron displays in your living room.

Kamus

join:2011-01-27
El Paso, TX
reply to bigballer

Re: how about...

uncompressed? I don't think you realize how much bandwidth we would need for that...

Besides, i'm pretty sure you would fail on a blind test telling apart an uncompressed source from a high quality x264 encode at 1080p at around 15mbps.


gerick

join:2001-01-17
San Antonio, TX
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reply to bn1221

Re: 4K is useless

said by bn1221:

realistically who sits that close to a TV?

Room is 12 feet wall to wall. TV is not mounted on wall, but on TV stand, so it's probably 8-12 inches from wall. Viewer is not standing with his back against wall, but sitting on couch his head is probably about 1 foot from wall. So, the furthest back possible is 10 foot. Kids sitting on floor playing console are in the 5-7 foot range.
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zod5000

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reply to JimThePCGuy

Re: 4K and Data Caps ?

Except it is true about 1080p.. lol. I have a 42 inch 1080p TV and you can barely tell the difference at 6ft from 720p and 1080p video. 42inch is the start of when you get benefits from 1080p. You need people to get 80 inch TV's to start benefiting from 4k. That's a big jump in TV size.

720p/1080p caught on because there was a big switch from old tube tv's to bigger lcd/plasma tv's. I'm not sure the world is ready to have uber big tv's in every room.....

zod5000

join:2003-10-21
Victoria, BC
reply to cablegeek01

Re: 4K is useless

Well yah. 110" would really benefit from 4k, but most people aren't going to have 110" tv's. For widespread adoption you need the masses to adopt big tv's... I'm not sure it'll happen. It could be like 3d and end up being a niche product.


aaronwt
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Woodbridge, VA
reply to 78036364
said by 78036364:

said by ke4pym:

said by cablegeek01:

Those of us with home theaters are excited about this.
People (possibly you at the time) said the same thing about 720p and 1080p. My 110" screen and I can't wait for widespread 4K. Especially for sports.

FoxSports is already using 4k cameras. But don't expect to have that 4k signal reach your home anytime soon. Like, in decades.

Yep. OTA only does 1080i at best and will be that way for the foreseeable future. cable/satellite could move also only do 1080i at best. Could do 1080p with mpeg 4 but that would constrain bandwidth. Sure moving to h.265 they could do 4K. That will cost a ton of money to convert to that. Say hello to $300 a month cable bills. And even with h.265 they actually have to reduce the amount of channels offered.

The current ATSC standard allows for up to 1080P30, MPEG2 broadcasts.

Not that it would look very good if anyone actually broadcast at that resolution at the low data rate with MPEG2.

firedrakes

join:2009-01-29
Arcadia, FL
reply to RevisedHelp

Re: Netflix now saying 25 Mbps required...

oh and that content for that 4k will not play on any other tv then sony. almost all content in 4k is very closed market. so cant play content by stream from a sony box to a samsung tv. wont work.

biochemistry
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Re: 4K is useless

I don't think you understand what factual means. What you actually stated was your opinion.
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biochemistry
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I for one

I for one think 4K looks significantly better than 1080p. You don't need to sit 1 foot away on a 100 foot screen either. I hope 4K really takes off. Too many blind old guys on dslreports saying they can't tell a difference. Let the young guys have 4k then. I've already stopped buying blu-rays in anticipation of a new 4k disc format.
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dvd536
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reply to 78036364

Re: 4K and Data Caps ?

What a joke. a decent blu ray is double that. as usual netflix is bitstarved garbage.
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dvd536
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reply to JimThePCGuy
yet nobody is broadcasting in 1080P
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JimThePCGuy
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They won't broadcast 4K either it's not in the standard from what I heard.

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reply to biochemistry

Re: I for one

4K has a definite advantage to 1080i or p. But you DO need a large screen to benefit from it. I have a home theater set-up with a 125 inch screen and a Sony 1080 projector. I have no doubt that 4K will look better but it will be a long time, if ever, that the cost will be worth it. And that's if they ever make a 4K projector for home use. When I got a blu-ray player I did not repurchase all of my DVDs. I still watch them and they look great due to upscaling.

What I've noticed is that when people are watching something in my theater for the first time they do not compare the experience to watching a TV. They always compare it to going to the movies. It looks better than any theater they've been in including IMAX. 4K could certainly make it even better but will enough people think it's worth the money? Time will tell.

Oh, and in my opinion, your insults do not contribute to the conversation.