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Comments on news posted 2014-06-19 12:07:33: Last June Comcast announced that the company's new customer gateways would be configured to start sharing user Wi-Fi with local passers by, noting that the service could be disabled and that other peoples' usage wouldn't count against your usage cap. ..

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bigballer

@205.214.216.x

Will comcast reimburse me for the electricity used?

Electricity aint cheap. The average price of electricity is $0.11.

I see no incentive for someone turning this feature on


Camelot One
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Greenwood, IN
kudos:2

I haven't seen it myself, but....

I've had a few calls from friends in areas where this has gone live, and they all say the "opt-out" option is confusing. Their web panel gives the option to turn off XFinity Wifi, but the wording makes it sound like they are shutting off their own internal wifi, not the free hotspot option.

Again, I haven't seen it myself yet.


cableties
Premium
join:2005-01-27

1 recommendation

Like a good neighbor,

wifi is there!


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Splat

djeremy

join:2004-07-12
San Francisco, CA

It's running on my Xfinity router

I haven't turned it off because I haven't really seen the need to since it's sandboxed from my home network. Those Xfinity routers also don't have the best range so it really doesn't broadcast all that far. I use another device for WiFi on my home network.

As far as speeds go, I'm paying for 50 down and 10 up and am getting 57 down and 11 up. They do seem to be pushing a little extra bandwidth.

We've all been in situations were cell phone reception was spotty or needed WiFi on an iPad, so I kind of like the idea of it being on. If I can help someone out without any affect on my home network, great.

Mr Matt

join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL
kudos:1
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·Comcast
·CenturyLink

Regulatory Capture

Comcast has paid off so many state and federal lawmakers that it is unlikely that they will pass any laws to provide relief to consumers from theft of their resources. Furthermore Comcast customers cannot file a class action suit because the fascist supreme court found that including language in a service provider TOS agreements prohibiting class action suits to be legal. Unless there is a ground swell of media attention relief from this scheme, is unlikely. If Comcast was ethical they would provide the modem at no charge and give the customer a discount if the customer allows Comcast to use their Wifi for public hotspot service. This is simply theft of their customers resources.


nothing00

join:2001-06-10
Centereach, NY
reply to djeremy

Re: It's running on my Xfinity router

said by djeremy:

If I can help someone out without any affect on my home network, great.

But who you're really helping is Comcast. Because the only people that can take advantage of it are people who pay Comcast. Either via subscription or just for their WiFi service:

»wifi.comcast.com/#customer_block

Why don't you ask Comcast for 50% of what they make off of your router?

It's kind of like RedBox putting a box on your lawn and having you pay for the pleasure.


Kuro

@75.151.50.x
reply to djeremy
I would have no problem with it but there is no advantage to me having it on. If they took off the rental fee, increase or drop datacaps or maybe you can only use others if yours is on.

clocks11

join:2002-05-06
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Reviews:
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It's not all bad

I wouldn't have a grip against Comcast doing this if A. it doesn't slow my own speeds and B. They reduce the cost or provide the modem/router for free.

There are some positives about this. I am noticing the free Xfinity wifi all over my neck of the woods.

clocks11

join:2002-05-06
00000
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reply to nothing00

Re: It's running on my Xfinity router

said by nothing00:

But who you're really helping is Comcast.

That's not true. Anyone can connect for free for a fixed amount of time/data. It can actually come in quite handy. Comcast subscribers get unlimited.


sllywhtboy

join:2001-11-13
Santa Clara, CA
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reply to clocks11

Re: It's not all bad

there was an interesting discussion about it last month on NANOG, it seems that this service uses its own bandwidth (as i understand it).

don't forget to look at the responses. comcast does have a PR nightmare though. »mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nano ··· 436.html

shmerl

join:2013-10-21

2 edits

Customers aren't stuck.

They can use their own WiFi router. But making it opt out rather than opt in is not proper indeed. Let them make it more attractive if they want to do this. For example, users who opt in into this program could get extra bandwidth for the lower price, or some other incentives.


morbo
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reply to clocks11

Re: It's running on my Xfinity router

said by clocks11:

said by nothing00:

But who you're really helping is Comcast.

That's not true. Anyone can connect for free for a fixed amount of time/data. It can actually come in quite handy.

Is that true? If so, my tune may change slightly. What is the fixed amount?

elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
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Copper Pot, Coax Kettle

Seems to me if Comcast actually felt like they needed to dignify Frontier's nonsense with a response, all they would need to do is illustrate that their shared gateway delivers 15Mbps or more to the sharee, while Frontier struggles to deliver 3mbps direct.

big_e

join:2011-03-05

Pot kettle black.

I remember it was just a few years ago, that Frontier was sending out post cards to their ex-Verizon customers telling them that their free verizon provided modems/wireless gateways were obsolete and they must contact customer service to get a new one.

Buried in the fine print was that this new modem/wireless gateway would cost $15/month. Enough people didn't take the bait so in some test markets they started assessing customers with free verizon provided modem/gateways a 7 dollar per month modem support fee in lieu of a modem rental fee.

Frontier should simply keep their mouth shut as they lack any moral authority to chastise other ISPs about bundling unwanted things into their equipment.

elefante72

join:2010-12-03
East Amherst, NY
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reply to Mr Matt

Re: Regulatory Capture

It's not theft if they overprovision and are not impacting your service.

It's sad that a VAST majority of high speed users (say over 20 Mbps) rarely ever use that speed--and pay up, so it's just going to "waste".

I don't particularly like it for security purposes, however the idea is wonderful, especially if you want to lower your caps and are somewhat stationary.

I wonder if people will try to get around caps in concentrated areas if usage counts against your cap. So this can lead to forms of abuse.


Kilroy
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join:2002-11-21
Saint Paul, MN
reply to djeremy

Re: It's running on my Xfinity router

said by djeremy:

I haven't turned it off because I haven't really seen the need to since it's sandboxed from my home network.

And there is absolutely no way that someone could jump from the "free" wifi to yours? Sorry, I've been around long enough to know that nothing that is useful is 100% secure. I'm not saying I know how, I'm not saying that there is a way, what I am saying is a way may be discovered in the future and as with most security issues we won't know about it until months after the fact, if ever.

I own my own modem, so this don't affect me, but I would turn it off as I am unwilling to take a chance that Comcast did everything right from a security stand point.
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djeremy

join:2004-07-12
San Francisco, CA
reply to nothing00
I don't really see it that way. Say I go somewhere, need WiFi and find an xfinity access point. I can use it because I pay Comcast for my service. It's a nice little bonus because it normally wouldn't be there.

If you're not a customer, I'm pretty sure you can also get a free hour or pay for more time if you want to.

djeremy

join:2004-07-12
San Francisco, CA
reply to Kilroy
Anyone can get into anything if they try hard enough. My home network has an SSID that publicly broadcasts. They'd probably be better off trying to get into that than trying to get through the xfinity WiFi.


nothing00

join:2001-06-10
Centereach, NY
reply to djeremy
The free passes make it a lot more reasonable.

clocks11

join:2002-05-06
00000
reply to sllywhtboy

Re: It's not all bad

I know it supposedly uses it's own bandwidth, but if you are on an already over-crowded node, free wifi isn't going to help the situation. Not everyone gets their full caps.


Nanaki
aka novaflare. pull punches? Na
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join:2002-01-24
Barberton, OH
reply to cableties

Re: Like a good neighbor,

LOL

But look at this

"noting that the service could be disabled and that other peoples' usage wouldn't count against your usage cap." I would be hooking my laptop up to the public hotspot well actually separate ap hooked to it then to my laptop. That way i can download 300 gb with out it counting against my cap .....


gar187er
I do this for a living

join:2006-06-24
Dover, DE
kudos:4
reply to bigballer

Re: Will comcast reimburse me for the electricity used?

its not wasting electricity. its on when the modem is on.
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aaronwt
Premium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA

3 edits
reply to bigballer
said by bigballer :

Electricity aint cheap. The average price of electricity is $0.11.

I see no incentive for someone turning this feature on

I think everyone can afford the few cents a month this would cost in electricity. And a few cents is being generous

My electricity rate is just a little higher than 11 cents per KWh. My Asus Router costs under $1 a month in electricty. Adding some extra traffic from other people using Wi-Fi might add a few cents to that cost.


jmn1207
Premium
join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA
kudos:1

1 recommendation

$?

How is Netflix going to afford all of these potential wifi customers?


tshirt
Premium
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:5
Reviews:
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reply to morbo

Re: It's running on my Xfinity router

said by morbo:

Is that true? If so, my tune may change slightly. What is the fixed amount?

2 - up to 1 hour sessions per month.
Obviously it's a test drive, not really the intent to create a free net. There are also pay as you go and "buy a week/month" options at fairly high prices but it would serve as temporary connection for travelers, maybe while waiting for an install or repair, or waiting for a buses for those without unlimited cell data plans.

It's the "innovation" many here beg for, and we'll see if it really finds an audience.
For Comcast it provide a sensor net as to the demand, in high demand areas they can add strand mounted hotspots.
It also gives a wide area wireless option to those who don't want/can't afford a full service cell phone plan.


voipguy

join:2006-05-31
Forest Hills, NY
reply to bigballer

Re: Will comcast reimburse me for the electricity used?

Here is a reason:
Suppose a friend visits your home. They have a Smartphone and would like to find a movie for you to go to. They could use their 3G service, but that would be slow, so:

A) Without the Comcast hotspot, your friend could ask you for your access credentials. You can provide access, if you want, and give them not only access to your broadband service, but access to your LAN and all of its resources including any file sharing you have enabled. If your friend is not careful with your credentials, someone might use your hotspot to surf for child pornography or other stuff that could be traced to YOUR account and get YOU in trouble.

or

B) With the Comcast hotspot, your friend accesses directly and does not need to ask you anything. He does not have access to your LAN, and does not use data that count toward your caps. If he decides to upload Kiddie Porn, or whatever, and gets in trouble for it, it will be traced to his Comcast credentials used for access.

I think (B) is better.


tshirt
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Snohomish, WA
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reply to elefante72

Re: Regulatory Capture

said by elefante72:

I wonder if people will try to get around caps in concentrated areas if usage counts against your cap. So this can lead to forms of abuse.

It does/will count against your cap, there is a space for the WiFi usage in the current version of the meter.


tshirt
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Snohomish, WA
kudos:5
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reply to clocks11

Re: It's not all bad

said by clocks11:

They reduce the cost or provide the modem/router for free.

That MAY happen, a user here reported getting contacted by phone, with CC willing to give a discount if he turned the public side back on. it would probably ONLY be offer if not enough subs had it on, and demand was high with strand mount not available yet (no permit or overhead lines) since you pay the same for the rented gateway giving you a discount doesn't make as much sense as say a free bump to the cap (you share, they share)


tshirt
Premium
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:5
reply to bigballer

Re: Will comcast reimburse me for the electricity used?

The power usage by the modem is likely within a couple watts if any different. so MAYBE $2 a year at your rate ($8 in Hawaii )

bn1221

join:2009-04-29
Cortland, NY
reply to gar187er
Its takes power to run each SSID and channel.