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Comments on news posted 2014-06-25 18:07:17: We've discussed in detail how Google's dedication to network neutrality just ain't what it used to be. ..


tshirt
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tshirt

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OccupyGoogle?

Google has now turned over all their web histories to the authorites.
much finger wiggling to follow.
Yahoo offers bail money.
(yahoo is right across moffett field from the googleplex for those that haven't been there, and doesn't like protesters either)

KrK
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I think if you camp out on the side of the road...

.... you can't be arrested. If you set up camp on their private property though and refuse to leave you can be cited for trespassing.

tshirt
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tshirt

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Re: I think if you camp out on the side of the road...

A lot of that area is business parks (the baylands are basically fill over garbage dumps and other crap people didn't want, though they are rebuilding some of the estuary.) I'm not sure if those roads are really "PUBLIC" or part of the business parks.
Plus in silly valley when one of the tech giants wants something it gets done, one way or the other.

QBertBart
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The supreme court has ruled several times that people can exercise their first amendment right on private property that has common areas (at least in California), which is why stores can't kick solicitors off store fronts.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pr ··· ._Robins

Of course I have no idea how the Google Campus is configured but if the protesters were in a common area they could sue the local police department for violating their rights.
Rakeesh
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Re: I think if you camp out on the side of the road...

I highly doubt that would be the case for Google, as they own entire campuses.

Though to be honest I think they are probably justified here, especially if this is in the SF area. For whatever reason, a lot of people there have been physically hostile to Google employees (they blame rising real estate costs squarely on Google, even though Google employees make up a very tiny slice of the local population, in addition to some of them protesting the idea of self-driving cars and stalking Google employees at their homes over that particular issue) so that is a legitimate safety concern, and damn right they should be arrested.
Skippy25
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Hazelwood, MO

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A store front that has the entire purpose of serving the public to aide them in entering the store to purchase goods is completely different then a corporate campus that the general public is not allowed on and is there to serve the corporate employees only.
WhatNow
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Don't believe

the slogan "Do no harm" anymore. New slogan is "make more money"
tabernak4
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Re: Don't believe

It's actually "do no evil", but I agree they're getting beyond that. I'll say they're better than most, but I'm past believing they're just a bunch of altruistic individuals.

Once you're a publicly traded company, some of your priorities change. They still do a lot more good than most corporations though.

cb14
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Re: Don't believe

said by tabernak4:

It's actually "do no evil", but I agree they're getting beyond that. I'll say they're better than most, but I'm past believing they're just a bunch of altruistic individuals.

Once you're a publicly traded company, some of your priorities change. They still do a lot more good than most corporations though.

Google going public was the turning point indeed.

battleop
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But they are promising every one Gigabit Internet so that makes up for any evil.

tshirt
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Re: Don't believe

said by battleop:

But they are promising every one Gigabit Internet so that makes up for any evil.

Or at least makes everyone else evil, even if Google never follows through.
'Cause they're special'
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I would not be so sure about that: by becoming an ISP, Google will be able to spot trending new services before most people ever hear about them and nab them while they are still dirt-cheap to take over or do other things like that... I'm sure there are many more potentially devastating ways Google can monetize knowing how many people connect to which services and how much of those services those people actually use.
Skippy25
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I think you mean to say delivering and they are one of the few.

How many incumbents of the many that have taken on billions over the decades are even delivering 1 home gigabit?

battleop
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Re: Don't believe

How many active customers does Google Fiber have vs how many have been promised service? Google too is doing a lot of Fiber to the Press Release just like everyone else.
Skippy25
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Re: Don't believe

I'm sorry, you didn't answer my question. So try again.

Regardless the % of announced areas is still higher than the incumbents. So answer my question and stop deflecting.

battleop
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Re: Don't believe

How many active, real, subscribers does Google have?
Skippy25
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Re: Don't believe

Again you avoid answering the question. How many times must you be asked before you answer a simple question?

battleop
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Re: Don't believe

I'm not avoiding anything. I'm simply ignoring you since all you really want to do is troll anyone who does not agree with you.
Skippy25
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Re: Don't believe

I asked a simple question as you were "trolling" the topic and yet you can't (correction: won't) answer it because it will show the negative truth you are trying to hide.

So just admit that and move on.

battleop
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Re: Don't believe

How about you stop trying to speak for me? When I say something I say what I meant to say not something else. If you don't like what I have to say then ignore it instead of trying to tell me what you believe what I meant to say.
Skippy25
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Re: Don't believe

I am not trying to speak for you. You are doing so by your refusal to answer. I am simply pointing out your refusal to answer the simple question because doing so will incriminate yourself and your agenda.

Especially considering that you do not hesitate to give your "answers" any other time and the only time you do not answer is when doing so will point out the fact that what you come here claiming is not true. Hence, you can't admit you are wrong either because of pride or money or a combination of both.

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Re: Don't believe

"I am not trying to speak for you."

Yet you say...

"I think you mean to say delivering and they are one of the few."

I didn't mean to say that.. If I had I would have said it.

There is no "agenda" here.

"How many incumbents of the many that have taken on billions over the decades are even delivering 1 home gigabit?"

I don't know and I do not intend to do one bit of research to answer your question.

" yet you can't (correction: won't) answer it "

This makes you quite the hypocrite as you too refused to answer my question. I'm sure that answering my question would not fit your "agenda" would it?

I'm all out of troll snacks so there is no need to come back for more.
Skippy25
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Re: Don't believe

Don't come back but I will point out how entertaining it is that you call me a hypocrite for not answering questions that you are asking to deflect from my very simple question. Yet again, you trying to deflect on someone else. No response needed all of this is pretty clear.

Besides wouldn't that just encourage your continued deceit and deflecting at questions that you don't want to answer because they go against what you try to preach here? Don't answer that as we all know the answer is Yes.

plk
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stop using Google

cancel your google email and use a different search engine and don't buy a google phones. Block their ad's the best you can. I am sure their are other things we can do make google and other non net neutrality supports difficult.

pclover
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Re: stop using Google

Your only other choice would be Apple or Microsoft for a smartphone than.
ITGeeks
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Re: stop using Google

Blackberry is still around.
moonpuppy (banned)
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Re: stop using Google

Not for too much longer.

maartena
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said by pclover:

Your only other choice would be Apple or Microsoft for a smartphone than.

Or just a regular phone that can make phone calls. Smartphones are the perfect tool for the NSA to track you, and thanks to something called the Patriot Act, telecommunication companies are required to save a minimum of 3 months worth of your location data. Smartphones are the ultimate breach of privacy, and all laws are thrown overboard.

Of course the convenience of having one outweighs the fact the government can track your every move.

pclover
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Re: stop using Google

The NSA can track you with a basic phone just as easily.

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Re: stop using Google

said by pclover:

The NSA can track you with a basic phone just as easily.

Only from tower to tower, which is about a 5-10 mile radius. By triangulating between 3 towers, they can get you as accurate of about a 1 mile radius, thats about it. This also takes time, by the time they got the mile radius to search, your car has already moved beyond it, and logged on to 2 more towers, after which they have to re-triangulate.

GPS enabled phones..... can almost pinpoint you to the exact stall of the restroom you are hiding in. (even with location services turned off).
ITGeeks
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They Got

Scroogled!

linicx
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There are ..

There are other search engines, smart phones and maps that are just as good or better that don't send drivers 20 miles farther than they need to drive, and don't push advertising.