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Comments on news posted 2014-07-08 18:58:55: The Google of 2006 really loved neutrality. The Google of 2010 and after (not coincidentally after they made a major push into wireless) didn't. ..

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The Google of 2006 really loved ...

...all the attention they got from SAYING the loved... neutrality.
In fact someone should name anything Google does that isn't for Google's own benefit.*

*Be it PR or research into future businesses.
Google is not mother Teresa, Gandhi, and ironman up into one.

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said by tshirt:

Google is not mother Teresa, Gandhi, and ironman up into one.

No one ever claimed they were, except the people that hate them.

Most people that "like" Google understand it is not perfect.
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But yet some cities and bloggers still thing they're the oh mighty one of the Internet and they do no wrong.

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said by ITGeeks:

But yet some cities and bloggers still thing they're the oh mighty one of the Internet and they do no wrong.

See above.

No body says this but people that hate Google, and it gets old really fast.

People will, and should be, excited about getting uncapped Gig internet for 70 dollars. No amount of vested internet trolling is going to stop that.

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said by DataRiker:

People will, and should be, excited about getting uncapped Gig internet for 70 dollars. No amount of vested internet trolling is going to stop that.

And some people said the same about FiOS, yet now vilify Verizon for risking it all, and then stepping away from the edge.

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Why would anybody get excited over Fios? How much does 70 dollars get you with Fios again? (50/25 according to their webpage)

Google offers 1000/1000 for 70 dollars.

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fios has about 10 million customers, google fiber has areound 100,000 , like comparing a dodge charger to a Ferrari, size changes everything
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And what areas are getting it? KS Metro area and Provo. Other than that NOBODY has it from Google. NOBODY. Austin isn't even started with much of anything and its been over a year. So why should I be excited for their $70 gig Internet? And btw the only time you're going to see it is in speed tests, I'm not going to download my Windows updates that fast. Your connection is only as fast as the server you are connected too. Hence- the reason why most people are happy with 50meg.

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said by fiosultimate:

fios has about 10 million customers, google fiber has areound 100,000 , like comparing a dodge charger to a Ferrari, size changes everything

Have no idea how this changes the reality of Verizon having nothing exciting or innovative to offer.

50/25 for 70 bucks is still lame no matter what excuse you make.
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And those same people were happy when VZ stated they didn't have any hard caps- and were moving their service in droves, now they come out with a cap several years later and their the most hated company ever. And I knew the entire time and posted it they had caps and were waiting for others to drop in caps before VZ did- and what'd they do- issue caps!
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Nobody knows how many customers Google has. That's the thing. that 100,000 is estimated and its only estimated based on a few select "fiber hoods". That's it. Nobody has gone door to door to count.

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said by ITGeeks:

Nobody knows how many customers Google has. That's the thing. that 100,000 is estimated and its only estimated based on a few select "fiber hoods". That's it. Nobody has gone door to door to count.

It doesn't even matter. Google is having the effect they intended. To give other providers a push towards higher speeds.
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This site and the blogger at the keyboard will claim otherwise. The same as Google claimed they'd shape the wireless industry with their unlocked cell phones- that project never took off. They purchased a great product called Grand Central only to ruin it.

Google+ a half baked idea. Google Earth? they never did anything with KeyStone after they purchased it besides street level mapping. Google just buys and does nothing just sells or clothes. They aren't really anything but another company sucking up money and taking what credit they can for their "national" fiber build that's a whole few burbs in KC area and a network they basically stole- who the Mayor and the goons of Provo should be sitting in jail for that one. They could have gotten more out of a telco.

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said by ITGeeks:

They aren't really anything but another company sucking up money and taking what credit they can for their "national" fiber build that's a whole few burbs in KC area and a network they basically stole- who the Mayor and the goons of Provo should be sitting in jail for that one. They could have gotten more out of a telco.

Do you realize when you post things like this your already shaky credibility is lost entirely?

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said by DataRiker:

said by fiosultimate:

fios has about 10 million customers, google fiber has areound 100,000 , like comparing a dodge charger to a Ferrari, size changes everything

Have no idea how this changes the reality of Verizon having nothing exciting or innovative to offer.

50/25 for 70 bucks is still lame no matter what excuse you make.

Just look at his (fiosultimate) post history... I can't tell if he's just joking and being a troll or if he's serious. If being a troll, bravo!
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Already shaky? Hardly. But that is what Google does and what should happen. Those poor suckers- aka tax payers are the ones on the hook for a bankrupted network that was SOLD for 1$. You really think Google saved the day? Hardly! And yes a telco would have paid well more than Google as Cinci Bell has done just that for an HFC network that was converted to all Fiber. And actually paid a fair price for the system.
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what is innovative about Google Fiber? They didn't innovate anything. They simply did what VZ did and millions of others. I know several co-ops that are doing fiber and covering actual RURAL area unlike Google. You don't see them on this front page every day when they expand.
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that they intended? Do you have proof that's what they intended? And the push? Hardly. Speeds were on the rise well before Google ever decided to expand their hobbies into being an ISP.

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That calling Google fiber an ISP is like calling a dollar a fortune to have...u are correct in a way, just not the right way

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Believe what you want, neighbor. A merger-hobbled TWC currently maxed out at 50/5 for $75+ sure as hell is NOT lighting a fire under Cinci Bell to introduce gigabit along the Ohio River. Just sayin.

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that they intended? Do you have proof that's what they intended? And the push? Hardly. Speeds were on the rise well before Google ever decided to expand their hobbies into being an ISP.

They said it during their press release here in Kansas City and their very public challenge to ISP's.

»googlepublicpolicy.blogs ··· ake.html

»business.time.com/2012/0 ··· o-speed/

In a way we need more people to astro turf against it, since it invariably has the opposite effect. Most people can sense the fear and as such want to see what all the fuss is about.
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So we should be mad that Google is offering better speeds at lower prices?

Hmm...your motives seem real genuine.
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They would have paid more and given a lot less, if anything in return.

Thus those taxpayers you are saying were so harmed will benefit more by them giving it away then selling it to an incumbent.

I would even argue they could have completely removed the network and burned it for heat and they would have gained more than selling it to an incumbent.
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Oh, you mean Google didnt wave that magic wand that makes fiber service all of a sudden available to everyone in the world?

They must have misplaced it as they are steadily rolling out fiber. Which none of the incumbents are really doing at this moment and they certainly are not doing it to the point that they are offering a great product for a great price as Google is.
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Yes, because that only makes the incumbents look bad and we certainly can't stand for that!
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said by tshirt:

...all the attention they got from SAYING the loved... neutrality.
In fact someone should name anything Google does that isn't for Google's own benefit.*

*Be it PR or research into future businesses.
Google is not mother Teresa, Gandhi, and ironman up into one.

Ghandi was a very outspoken racist, Theresa believed in suffering at her hospices, and Ironman is fictional.

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I'm curious -- how is it that Google can offer a symmetrical 1000 (at frankly any price) and not something like 1000/500 or worse? At what point do all the throttles and meters and whatnot suddenly stop to scale and become far more trouble than they're worth to install?

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the only time you're going to see it is in speed tests, I'm not going to download my Windows updates that fast. Your connection is only as fast as the server you are connected too. Hence- the reason why most people are happy with 50meg.

Wouldn't be that way if everyone running a network would step up and upgrade for this speed Google is delivering (not to mention speed up the next fiber optical standard for backbone links).

Google is the kick in the ass, no matter how many yards or streets they tear up and I'd imagine it'd be a whole lot different without some big company like Google doing this for the industry.

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$70 (not counting taxes and the numerous creative "fees"), or, as Verizon calls it, "The gold standard in computing speeds", will get you 70/35 for FiOS (»www.verizon.com/home/fio ··· nternet/). However, that is only applicable for the first year. It goes up to $90 (Plus taxes and fees) in year two.

To come even close to the $70 service that Google is offering, you'd have to pay $300 month to Verizon - and even then, you would receive 500/100 (a significant delta to Google's 1000/1000 for just shy of 1/4th of the cost). However, you would be getting what Verizon terms as "The ultimate in supersonic speed".

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Internet bits are free, they cost nothing
There is an initial cost for laying the cabling, and routing equipment.
Just becuase the fat ISP's with uber rich friends and CEO's told you 300 bits cost mroe than 200 bits to transfer over the exact same cable, doesn't make it so.

70/month leave plenty of room for maintenance (if done decently) and leaves 50% of that money to save for future capacity upgrades as more client sign on and/or more sites get the ability to even utalize those speeds
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