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Comments on news posted 2014-07-11 10:47:21: In April of last year when Google announced they'd be bringing Google Fiber to Austin, the company stated they expected Austin users to start being hooked up around the middle of 2014. ..

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PrinceVisit

@50.182.54.x

Google ALWAYS runs late

Google is not known for delivering anything on schedule. They are known for outstanding Public Relations announcements. They have learned to keep their name in the news as they drag out implementation of their projects. And the press just sucks it all up.

ITGeeks

join:2014-04-20
Cleveland, OH

Slight?

If they weren't spending the money and efforts in other cities trying to get the hyped up for something that won't be there for years to come they'd be on time right now.

existenz

join:2014-02-12
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Lowest income areas first again

The article sez...

quote:
the Austin-American Statesman reported this week that south and east Austin are among those being targeted first, citing data culled from its review of hundreds of city-issued permits showing where Google Fiber has begun to install conduit.
East and most of SE Austin are the lowest income areas of city. When they started in KC metro, they selected city of KC, KS first (lowest income city in KC metro, especially older areas) and then selected Central KC, MO of which E Side is among lowest income in metro - although Central W is mixed to very high income. N/S KC, MO rollouts are just now kicking into gear, which are mixed income of all levels. The wealthier burbs didn't come to agreements til later and may take a few more years to rollout. One purpose they claimed was to get access to the last segment of non-Internet users - low income. Seems it might be the pattern in Austin too.

If like KC, they'll only get a few connections up and running the quarter after the signups start. It took almost another year to really kick rollout into gear. Maybe with some experience now under belt it can happen a little faster but laying fiber from scratch isn't like pace of developing software.

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reply to ITGeeks

Re: Slight?

said by ITGeeks:

If they weren't spending the money and efforts in other cities trying to get the hyped up for something that won't be there for years to come they'd be on time right now.

If you've ever actually worked in IT, you'd know what's wrong with what you just said. There's very often a divide between "should work" and "will work" when it comes to deploying anything new. It's never a matter of insufficient resources being allocated, rather its a matter of things not going quite as planned, often for reasons well beyond your control.

amungus
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at least

They're planning. Now that's a concept that is so lost in this day and age. Failing to do it leads to planning to fail. It happens so often it's not even funny.

SalesGOD
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join:2001-04-11
Tinley Park, IL

Another reason they are behind...

The City of Austin is terribly slow at issuing permits. I have been working in Austin the last year and more specifically with the City. They are just very slow at City Hall.

ITGeeks

join:2014-04-20
Cleveland, OH

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reply to Rakeesh

Re: Slight?

I have and do. But what I said is true. Instead of them putting their resources and money into striking up other deals that will never happen for years to come they need to focus on what they have now.

I have seen TWC and Comcast and WOW both build out new plants across cities and NEVER get behind like this. Why? They actually put their resources where they matter- IN BUILDING the network. Not out trying to con other cities into covering their legal expenses when something happens.

ITGeeks

join:2014-04-20
Cleveland, OH
reply to existenz

Re: Lowest income areas first again

Just because they're being first doesn't mean those cities will be able to afford any of the services- including the free services where they have to pay the install fee. $25 a month still is a matter of paying an actual bill or going without electric.

ITGeeks

join:2014-04-20
Cleveland, OH
reply to amungus

Re: at least

Planning? they've been doing that from the get go and the Cities do most of that for FREE Google doesn't do much of it at all.

existenz

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reply to ITGeeks

Re: Lowest income areas first again

In KC, it was estimated that over 25% of homes passed by in lower income areas have GFiber, most going for the 5M service. And each fiberhood has public spaces that have free Gbit. There are many who now have Internet who didn't in past.

Either way, it looks like Google will again start with lower income areas. If they weren't satisfied with that approach in KC, they probably wouldn't do that again in Austin.


ptrowski
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reply to ITGeeks

Re: Slight?

Later this year doesn't signify a massive delay. I would tend to think that the same guys negotiating the contracts with cities are not the same guys out planning and building the network.


platitudino1

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reply to ITGeeks
Ok lil' buddy, ok.


tshirt
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so this is just another...

....fiber to the press release update?
just to be sure nobody misses the fact that there is nothing to see here?


TKJunkMail
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reply to ITGeeks

Re: Slight?

All I saw when I read this was "I'm another Google hater, blah blah blah".
Expand your moderator at work

existenz

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reply to TKJunkMail

Re: Slight?

Yeah, strange how bitter they can be about it.

existenz

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reply to PrinceVisit

Re: Google ALWAYS runs late

As a Google Fiber user, all I can say is that it's worth the wait. Nice to have it eventually than not at all. Has been good for KC... kicked off a Startup Village centered around Google Fiber, Cisco is investing heavily into downtown KC for Internet of Things research that likely wouldn't have happened w/out Google presence, small companies have moved to KC for the service even before SMB class service formalized.

Another interesting impact most aren't aware of is that for buildings that have agreement with Google every single unit gets at least free 5M. That is creating a curious shift from the standard model and gives an edge for buildings that have it vs. those that don't.


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reply to PrinceVisit
Since they are not an actual ISP, u should all have known this would have happened, when they fold google fiber up and leave in the middle of the night , please dont be too shock, just like Miami should not be surprised Lebron is going home

existenz

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They might sell and get out of biz, that's fine if they do. But it looks like they plan to be in this for a while. They are already developing second gen TV/network boxes, already working on 10Gbit for 5+ years out and planning at least another city. The flyers they send out now say 'free' 5M for 10 years instead of 7. None of this guarantees long term commitment but as long as they _think_ they can influence ISPs to build up their networks and keep rates reasonable, seems they'll stay in play for quite a while.

It's in their interest to put pressure on ISPs to keep the pipes flowing and this is probably best way to do it - to understand their challenges first hand and work with cities to make it easier for all ISPs to upgrade networks, not just Google.


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Re: so this is just another...

said by tshirt:

....fiber to the press release update?
just to be sure nobody misses the fact that there is nothing to see here?

Just curious as to what ISP you work for or support.
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said by ptrowski:

Just curious as to what ISP you work for or support.

None.
I'm just observing the excessively over joyful reception of a Google announcement saying (once again) "We're behind schedule, this is turning out to be more difficult then we believed" vs an announcement by an other ISP saying they "ACTUALLY roll out reasonable high speed increases to a millions"
The fanbois (some of whom may work for interested parties) act as if Googles lack of progress is normal and OK, yet attack even major progress to many more people by others as the plague.

Google can and should be able to survive and perhaps learn from actual thoughtful criticism, the excessive exuberance often expressed here seems strikingly like the pump and dump just before the crash of the housing/auto/banking industries, with many of the same dangers.



ptrowski
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So may I ask what you line of business is?


tshirt
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said by ptrowski:

So may I ask what you line of business is?

drinking beer I'm too old and sarcastic to be gainfully employed.

ITGeeks

join:2014-04-20
Cleveland, OH
reply to ptrowski

Re: Slight?

But yet those same people are the ones out promising the world and spending money traveling when that should be put into what's being built.

ITGeeks

join:2014-04-20
Cleveland, OH
reply to existenz
Nobody is bitter about it- but when Google is doing what they're doing should be illegal. Especially having those stupid saps on the hook for any legal issues that Google could have. So when someone sues Google guess who gets the bill for that? YOU! Why you live in the city. Comcast, TWC, Charter nor anyone else requires that. They don't require the city to spend money and resources to go out and locate and and all lines and such in the ROWs, They don't require the cities to go out and redo the entire zoning and permit process. They also don't require the cities to complete against each other let alone neighbors. And you know what else they don't do? They don't CHERRY PICK!

ITGeeks

join:2014-04-20
Cleveland, OH
reply to existenz

Re: Lowest income areas first again

estimated? Who estimates this? Where are the real numbers at? If it's such as great product why not release the actual numbers if it works?

And yes Google would do it again, why? this is a hobby and what ever they spend comes from those poor saps called Shareholders/investors and people claiming that Google is the best.

ITGeeks

join:2014-04-20
Cleveland, OH
reply to ptrowski

Re: so this is just another...

Just because someone doesn't agree with what is posted on this blog why do they work for an ISP?

ITGeeks

join:2014-04-20
Cleveland, OH
reply to PrinceVisit

Re: Google ALWAYS runs late

Only a few people/blogs suck it up. This never hits the main street news.

ITGeeks

join:2014-04-20
Cleveland, OH
reply to existenz
You are about the only GF "customer" that is known. Nobody else has come out and stated they were a user to the public that can be found.

And that 5mg isn't free- Google still gets to track and sell your information. But it's okay for GF to do it but not T.

biochemistry
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Re: Slight?

GF does not cherry pick or at least it is quite minimal if KC is any indication. Plus any neighborhood in KC could have gotten GF if enough signed up.
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