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Comments on news posted 2014-07-16 16:46:35: New FCC boss Tom Wheeler has now stated several times he'd like to take aim at incumbent-ISP state laws that ban or prohibit towns and cities from deploying their own broadband. To stop this, Rep. Marsha Blackburn is pushing H.R. ..



mixdup

join:2003-06-28
Birmingham, AL
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Wait, what?

I don't get it. Her argument is that the FCC shouldn't be able to tell states how to spend their money. But that's not what the FCC is doing. States are telling cities how to spend their money, and the FCC is protecting cities' rights.

Try not to be so transparent next time, Marsha.

nutcr0cker

join:2003-04-02
Chandler, AZ
kudos:2

1 recommendation

Another day...another Republican

the same ole story....screw the people...Democrats are not much better either

kinda pissed

join:2012-06-06
Newsoms, VA
She's a hypocrite

biochemistry
Premium
join:2003-05-09
92361

And..

Any surprise who 3 of her top 4 donors are? AT&T, Verizon and the National Cable and Telecommunications Association. Hickman County, in the center of her district and a very hick heavy part of the state as the county name implies, struggles with only 38% access to broadband compared to the state average of 58%. As you can see, she truly has her constituents' interests in mind and isn't in her line of work for money or prestige.
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atcotr

@65.60.144.x

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Campaign contributions

In the 2013-2014 period, Blackburn received $10,000 from AT&T, $10,000 from Verizon, and $10,000 from National Cable & Telecommunications Association. »www.opensecrets.org/politicians/···newmem=N


fg8578

join:2009-04-26
Salem, OR

Tenth Amendment, heard of it?

Bode says
quote:
That's pretty ironic, given the FCC is only responding to bills written and purchased by giant corporations that trump state rights and tell local citizens how they can spend their money.
Of course, the difference it, states predated the federal government and the Tenth Amendment is supposed to protect them from federal overreach (that SCOTUS routinely ignores the tenth Amendment is another story . . .)

As far as I know, no state constitution has a provision which limits state legislatures from telling cities within the state what to do, so the situations are not at all comparable.


fg8578

join:2009-04-26
Salem, OR

Chattanooga is not "open"

My understanding id that Chattanooga's fiber network is not open to third-party ISPs; can anyone say for sure?


karlmarx

join:2006-09-18
Chicago, IL

7 recommendations

Whose thinking about the needs of the business?

Every time you have those socialist cities setting up services on the TAXPAYERS back, you are taking away from the executives of the big companies. Sure, they taxpayers get better services, faster speeds, no caps (sorry data thresholds), but they are taking away money from the job creators (and the coke and hookers from the fat cats). Why doesn't everyone see that the only way the US will get better broadband is if we stop the feds from interfering (well, except for birth control, because we all see our local megacorps in chuch every sunday). The only solution of course is to let comcast and AT&T provide a substandard service at an inflated price. Once we put an end to these evil marxist regimes, everything will be much better for everyone. I for one would HATE to see any other cities have a profitable broadband service, which is DECIMATING the incumbents (hint: Check out what comcast advertises in Chattanooga (Comcast). They offer FOUR (4) simultaneous HD recordings, AND, AND, the MOST LIVE SPORTS! Why anyone would choose a non data-threshold, 1gb/sec internet connection for $69.99 over comcast offering a 6mb/sec connection for just 59.99 (thus SAVING you $10.00 a MONTH) is just insane. So lets defang the FCC, ditch net neutrality, because comcast loves you (so much, they just won't let you cancel)
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davidc502

join:2002-03-06
Mount Juliet, TN
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It's about the corporations people

We have people in office who are totally going off the deep end to protect the corporations.


SlowFITL

join:2012-02-01
Mobile, AL

This bill brought to you by....

I'm conservative, but on these type of issues I'm firmly opposed to the Republicans agenda.

ISurfTooMuch

join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL

2 recommendations

reply to mixdup

Re: Wait, what?

"States' rights" is just code for opposing something the federal government is doing. It has nothing to do with localism. In Alabama, at least, government is so centralized in Montgomery that local government officials need approval from the legislature to sneeze. It's ridiculous. Any major change to local laws concerning a city or county has to be passed by the legislature, and the legislature won't even consider a bill unless ALL the legislators from that area support it. If even one of them is opposed, the bill is dead.

If the federal government treated the states like the Alabama state government treats its cities and counties, you'd have politicians here actively campaigning for secession.


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reply to SlowFITL

Re: This bill brought to you by....

said by SlowFITL:

I'm conservative, but on these type of issues I'm firmly opposed to the Republicans agenda.

It doesn't really even seem like a party issue yet. More of a choice made by those in office.

Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO

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reply to fg8578

Re: Chattanooga is not "open"

Doesn't matter.

Incumbents had their chance and failed so miserably for so long that the local government had to step in and provide for their citizens.

Which is exactly how it should work.

Brim77

join:2012-03-16
Lansing, MI
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This woman has ZERO credibility.

Her statements are either grossly incompetent, or corrupt. Or both. Lets see:

Campaign Contributions 2011-2012, for just these FIVE:

Verizon - $15,400
Comcast - $15,000
National Cable & Telecom Association - $15,000
AT&T - $13,250
Centurylink - $10,100

Total: $68,750. Must be nice.

Dishonorable Mention of CREW's 2008 Most Corrupt Member of Congress. Pg 229.
»www.citizensforethics.org/page/-···?nocdn=1

She also took on Bill Nye over global warming on 'Meet the Press' back in February.

»youtu.be/bmUA3-VI9hQ


This isn't about protecting state's rights, its just another corrupt politician lining their pockets and doing their master's bidding at taxpayer's expense. Business as usual.


Flyonthewall

@206.248.154.x

Why don't citizens unite for something useful?

Isn't this the government basically selling your rights from under you? Is that even legal? Government is supposed to protect your rights, not sell them away for campaign bucks then tell you too bad, it's the law.

Mr Matt

join:2008-01-29
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said by Flyonthewall :

Isn't this the government basically selling your rights from under you?

It is not government that is selling out American Citizens it is Washington politicians bought and paid for by Corporations. Marsha Blackburn is nothing but a telecommunication industry shill bought and paid for by the Cable/Telecommunication industry. She wants to keep those campaign contributions coming.

The state lawmakers here in Florida hijacked the right of cities to regulate cable companies under franchise agreements. Have a complaint file, it with the state where it will be quickly shredded.

phazah

join:2004-05-02
Findlay, OH

A way to fight back

Take the fight to the BIG ISP by working to pass constitutional amendments in each state removing their corporate blocking of internet access.
Incorperate citizen boards over Internet access.


PlusOne

@50.182.54.x
reply to mixdup

Re: Wait, what?

said by mixdup:

But that's not what the FCC is doing. States are telling cities how to spend their money, and the FCC is protecting cities' rights.

That isn't their job. This is just the Feds slowly but surely expanding their reach in to cities by pandering to the Dem's favored minorities in cities. They have been doing this(marginalizing state governments) since Franklin Roosevelt.


PlusOne

@50.182.54.x
reply to fg8578

Re: Tenth Amendment, heard of it?

said by fg8578:

Bode says

quote:
That's pretty ironic, given the FCC is only responding to bills written and purchased by giant corporations that trump state rights and tell local citizens how they can spend their money.
Of course, the difference it, states predated the federal government and the Tenth Amendment is supposed to protect them from federal overreach (that SCOTUS routinely ignores the tenth Amendment is another story . . .)

As far as I know, no state constitution has a provision which limits state legislatures from telling cities within the state what to do, so the situations are not at all comparable.

+1


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reply to phazah

Re: A way to fight back

Or pass a state constitutional amendment saying federal preemption does not apply in the peoples republic of Massachusetts and any company engaged in commerce that sets up shop in Massachusetts must adhere to state regulations. Many states amended their constitutions during the marriage debate to inoculate the laws to being invalidated by the courts. The states could do the same to exercise their rights to regulate big companies like Comcast, AT&T, and Verizon through a referendum process. They could make net neutrality at the state level through a state constitutional amendment prohibiting ISPs that operate on that states right of way from interfering with internet traffic or interfering with attempts for others to build competing networks.
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decifal

join:2007-03-10
Bon Aqua, TN
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reply to Skippy25

Re: Chattanooga is not "open"

said by Skippy25:

Doesn't matter.

Incumbents had their chance and failed so miserably for so long that the local government had to step in and provide for their citizens.

Which is exactly how it should work.

My thoughts exactly. If the incumbent providers don't wanna provide then so be it.. Let the government step in and provide for those held back to the 1994 time frame... This cherry picking crap has gone far enough, especially with all the USF funds stolen (as far as i'm concerned) by the Teleco and some of the cable providers out there.

decifal

join:2007-03-10
Bon Aqua, TN
kudos:1
reply to fg8578
said by fg8578:

My understanding id that Chattanooga's fiber network is not open to third-party ISPs; can anyone say for sure?

Neither is the incumbents that's half ass building out their networks


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reply to Flyonthewall

Re: Why don't citizens unite for something useful?

said by Flyonthewall :

Isn't this the government basically selling your rights from under you?

This isn't government, it's corrupt politicians. Saying the Government is giant corrupt entity has to stop if we ever want to fix it.

I blame the voters in TN (who voted for her) and everyone who has opposed any serious attempts at campaign finance reform.

This partisan shit has to end too. I'm a hardcore Democrat but if any of my local (powerless) Democratic representatives pulled that kind of crap, I'd vote them out in a second. I'd hope the same for anyone who belongs to the Republican party.

Kalmus

join:2012-11-21
Boston, MA
reply to IowaCowboy

Re: A way to fight back

The law is very clear that states cannot legislate away federal preemption where it has been lawfully asserted and that states have no authority to regulate companies with respect to their provision of internet serves. And, a state law setting net neutrality regulations would clearly be preempted and would easily be stricken down.


IowaCowboy
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Then I'd like to see federal preemption of state and local regulation of chain restaurants. Many localities are trying to regulate them to death with calorie counts on menu boards and bans on sodas larger than 16 ounces. If we could get a universal set of rules on fast food chains, maybe we could get some better places around here besides the usual McDonalds/Wendy's/Burger King. I'd like to have an In and Out Burger or Hardee's/Carl's Jr.

Not to mention all of the various health regulations that vary from locality to locality.
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join:2002-03-26
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reply to karlmarx

Re: Whose thinking about the needs of the business?

said by karlmarx:

Every time you have those socialist cities setting up services on the TAXPAYERS back, you are taking away from the executives of the big companies. Sure, they taxpayers get better services, faster speeds, no caps (sorry data thresholds), but they are taking away money from the job creators (and the coke and hookers from the fat cats). Why doesn't everyone see that the only way the US will get better broadband is if we stop the feds from interfering (well, except for birth control, because we all see our local megacorps in chuch every sunday). The only solution of course is to let comcast and AT&T provide a substandard service at an inflated price. Once we put an end to these evil marxist regimes, everything will be much better for everyone. I for one would HATE to see any other cities have a profitable broadband service, which is DECIMATING the incumbents (hint: Check out what comcast advertises in Chattanooga (Comcast). They offer FOUR (4) simultaneous HD recordings, AND, AND, the MOST LIVE SPORTS! Why anyone would choose a non data-threshold, 1gb/sec internet connection for $69.99 over comcast offering a 6mb/sec connection for just 59.99 (thus SAVING you $10.00 a MONTH) is just insane. So lets defang the FCC, ditch net neutrality, because comcast loves you (so much, they just won't let you cancel)

You might want to edit your comment to wrap it in <sarcasm> tags. I almost abandoned reading it, until I realized it was tongue-in-cheek.

rebus9

join:2002-03-26
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reply to SlowFITL

Re: This bill brought to you by....

said by SlowFITL:

I'm conservative, but on these type of issues I'm firmly opposed to the Republicans agenda.

+1

I don't recognize the Republican party anymore. They've changed.

1980s: "Let's create an environment that fosters jobs, opportunities, and entrepreneurial spirit."

2000 and forward: "Let's crawl into bed with big corporate. Give them whatever they want in return for campaign contributions now, and high-level jobs when we leave office."

I saw a very clear tipping point during the recovery from the recession of the early 90s (the one that cost the first Bush his re-election) where big corporate really took on a life of its own.

I recognized it while it was happening, and marveled at how quickly it evolved. In the 80s, big corporate was focused on M & A (mergers and acquisitions). Buzzphrase was "hostile takeover".

In post-recession 90s and especially in the 21st century, they've merged, acquired, AND NOW are intently focused on re-writing all of the laws that govern their industries.

The movies and TV shows that start with the narration, "... when corporations took over the world" are not that far from reality now.

Disclaimer: I was a loyal Republican for decades-- until 2013 when their cumulative actions finally disgusted me so badly that I withdrew from the party and went independent. Though I still lean conservative, I don't want my name associated with the Republican party.


fg8578

join:2009-04-26
Salem, OR
reply to decifal

Re: Chattanooga is not "open"

said by decifal:

Neither is the incumbents that's half ass building out their networks

Everyone complains that incumbent ISP last mile networks are not "open access" yet when a City does the same thing, they get a free pass.

Just want to make sure I understand where you're coming from. Google initially promised open access, but changed their minds yet nobody complains about them either.

decifal

join:2007-03-10
Bon Aqua, TN
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The "city" doesn't spend millions suing any potential competition is what i'm getting at ultimately.. The money spent shutting down any would be competition could have easily built out networks.. Not to mention the USF funds that they pretend to be wasting, but thats a whole other fuss fest