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Comments on news posted 2014-08-05 14:42:14: The cable industry's broadband subscribers should pass the total number of cable industry TV customers sometime during 2015, according to debt rating agency Moody’s Investor’s Service. ..



Zenit

join:2012-05-07
Purcellville, VA
Reviews:
·T-Mobile US
·Comcast
·Verizon Online DSL

3 recommendations

Problems, many problems resulting in more problems

To me, the core issue is a lack of competition. Cable Broadband, at least in a majority of the USA, is rapidly becoming the only viable choice for high-speed broadband with modern-ish technologies.

(This is also causing a massive rift where rural and semi-rural communities are getting left in the dust with regards to broadband services. Areas with no Cable MSO, or small independent Cable MSOs don't have that great service. I wont go over this now.)

Since a majority of ILEC's sat on their hands throughout the 90's and 2000's, and only selectively upgraded their footprints, Cable has been given a massive position of power.

Yes, there is VZ FIOS, AT&T U-Verse, and other products. FIOS is not anywhere near 50% of VZ's footprint, U-Verse is straining to keep up with DOCSIS3. These products that can compete with Cable are not as common as needed.

The problem with the ILEC's (esp the Bells) is not that they failed to realize what was done, or lacked the money to build out modern services. They stole from the American people! $200 billion and all we got was a very marginal build out of modern services. Instead, they built cell networks with money meant for the wired side of the house.

»www.ntia.doc.gov/legacy/broadban···61BF.pdf

This leaves many homes and businesses left with Cable as their only real choice, unless they can make due with 3mbit or so from the telephone company.

Without competition, the Cable MSO's can largely do as they please. They know this. Who are you going to run to when they put in place tighter caps? Not cellular - their caps are smaller. Either make due with obsolete ADSL or pay up, or in some cases only pay up.

At least for me, at my current address, I have the "Choice" of 3mbit ADSL2 from Verizon, or up to 150mbit from Comcast. Comcast has us by the neck. VZ's service has dropped off of a cliff under the McAdam administration - they are allowing the copper plant to slide and its not good. The only hope is that this town is franchised to get FIOS, and the CO has the equipment and serves outside subdivisions. But VZ will probably not build even if I can get the local government to step up (trying to do so right now - they agreed its a problem to let Comcast have a monopoly).

So, to put it short - TL;DR - Cable can do as it pleases as competition is minimal. Where will you go? Exactly.


Davek

join:2014-07-17

...

If wireless offered more affordable options they could take landbroadband off the map as they have with landline. I guess cable should be thanking their lucky stars - for now.

Landline: can use at home. Cell: can use at home and elsewhere.
Cable: can use at home. Wireless: can use at home and elsewhere.

I wouldn't even consider landline phone anymore. Wish it were the same with internet.



Zenit

join:2012-05-07
Purcellville, VA

You sure about that? Wireless is a bad technology for a main broadband connection. Fluctuations in latency, speed, etc.

It is not great. Cell networks are straining as is under the load of smartphones, add PCs to the mix and its game over.



buzz_4_20

join:2003-09-20
Limestone, ME
Reviews:
·ObiVoice
·Pioneer Wireless
reply to Davek

I do have to say that wireless even LTE doesn't compare to most wired services.
There's too much variation. Plus for many (myself included) Cable is available at my home, no DSL no cell service. And no other broadband services.
So Time Warner really has my by the short and curlies if I want broadband.



IowaCowboy
Iowa native
Premium
join:2010-10-16
Springfield, MA
kudos:1
Reviews:
·Verizon Broadban..
·Comcast

There are other TV choices

There are other choices for TV, DirecTV, Dish, and OTA are competitors to cable for video in most situations. For broadband on the other hand, most people are stuck with the local cableco for broadband.
--
Stop the Comcast-Time Warner merger, I'd rather Time Warner buy out Comcast.


Davek

join:2014-07-17
reply to Zenit

Re: ...

I don't know that it could ever be as good as cable or fiber, but I'm thinking it could be more than good enough for most people, most of the time, if they put the equipment up they needed.

There are areas where wired services are congested and slow during peak hours. It all depends on the number of subscribers they are putting on nodes and such. It seems whether wired or wireless, the same principles apply. Again, wireless may never be as good as cable or fiber even in the best of circumstances. But I know if wireless had an affordable option I would jump on it in a heartbeat for the same reason I use a cell phone now.



Zenit

join:2012-05-07
Purcellville, VA
Reviews:
·T-Mobile US
·Comcast
·Verizon Online DSL

Unfortunately, to support those loads, they would need so many towers.

I wish that Wireless would be cheaper, but unfortunately its the cash cow. Its the Cash Cow that keeps Verizon from finishing deployment of FIOS to a majority of its footprint...


Davek

join:2014-07-17
reply to buzz_4_20

I hear ya.

In my area I have cable or dsl. Landline or cell. Cell is way more affordable and convenient than landline. Wish the same option were available for internet so it too could have the added convenience.



Vztechjoe

@173.3.226.x

-2 recommendations

Cord cutters

Be warned! ALL you cord cutters are going to destroy the Internet we ALL now enjoy. Just wait till you smart people reduce revenue for all providers and data caps become STANDARD BUSINESS PRACTICE.


Mr Guy

join:2014-05-06
USA
reply to Davek

Re: ...

said by Davek:

If wireless offered more affordable options they could take landbroadband off the map as they have with landline. I guess cable should be thanking their lucky stars - for now.

Landline: can use at home. Cell: can use at home and elsewhere.
Cable: can use at home. Wireless: can use at home and elsewhere.

Wireless isn't even close to being a substitute. The naysayers won't don't know a lick about who mobile data works won't agree but there just isn't the capacity right now to offer even the 250 caps that wired offers.

Now if there wasn't so many carriers dividing up the spectrum and such the spectrum is all over the place just mished mashed together that would be a different story. Now sure if one company had the entire 600 MHz, 700 MHz and 800 MHz spectrum and used 200 MHz for download and 100 MHz for upload then sure they could offer unlimited data or at least have the same caps as cable. Guess what NEVER going to happen because we have to be all fair and socialism about the spectrum and make sure at least 4 companies split it evenly.

Mr Guy

join:2014-05-06
USA

1 recommendation

reply to IowaCowboy

Re: There are other TV choices

said by IowaCowboy:

There are other choices for TV, DirecTV, Dish, and OTA are competitors to cable for video in most situations. For broadband on the other hand, most people are stuck with the local cableco for broadband.

well to be honest if you compare REGULAR non-promo pricing fir similar bundles, even a person that has access to cable, DirecTv, DishNetwork and either U-Verse or FiOS all pretty much pay around the same price. So even with 4 choices competition hasn't really reign in pricing. Of course the rates content owners charge these companies has a great deal to do with it too.

Bob61571

join:2008-08-08
Washington, IL

1 recommendation

reply to Zenit

Re: Problems, many problems resulting in more problems

said by user=Zenit :

To me, the core issue is a lack of competition

Well said, Zenit. For the above quote, and for your entire comment.
People seem to have no problem understanding competition in sports. However, when it comes to business, too many seem to forget about its merits.

Davek

join:2014-07-17

1 recommendation

reply to Vztechjoe

Re: Cord cutters

A clear cut example of why regulation is necessary: The cear conflict of interest by those providing the services guarantees the services will not be what they otherwise would be.


norm

join:2012-10-18
Pittsburgh, PA
kudos:1
reply to Vztechjoe

Why is Vztechjoe posting from a Cablevision IP?


BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH

Doesn't mean much

Basically what it's saying is that people who had DSL are moving to cable- regardless of what they have for TV. The DSL/cableTV folks are bundling cable, while the DirecTV/DSL folks are moving to DirecTV/cable internet.

U-Verse is the only halfway decent broadband option that you can get without the corresponding TV service. FIOS is available in theory without FIOS TV, but the pricing is so absurd that no one in their right mind would get FIOS/ DirecTV, they would either do DirecTV/ cable internet or FIOS for both.



fiosultimate

join:2014-06-09
San Antonio, TX
reply to norm

Re: Cord cutters

The end is near, repent


Kearnstd
Space Elf
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
kudos:1
reply to Mr Guy

Re: ...

Would you really want only one wireless company if the FCC did not control the spectrum?

Keeping business fair promotes competition and competition is good for consumers and consumers matter more than share prices. Consumers matter more that wall street itself.
--
Filan - Aurin Spellslinger - Pago - Team Legacy


Kearnstd
Space Elf
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
kudos:1
reply to Zenit

Re: Problems, many problems resulting in more problems

Exactly the same here 3mbit download DSL or Comcast . its like Verizon said fuckit before the end of the first inning.
--
Filan - Aurin Spellslinger - Pago - Team Legacy


Joe12345678

join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL
reply to BiggA

Re: Doesn't mean much

well there hope with ATT buying Directv they can push U-Verse tv subs over to directv but still keep U-Verse tv as a rain fade backup / for people who can't get LOS for directv and then they can make so that TV does not have space saved for it and they give say 25-50 download with less shearing then cable.

also in gigapower areas use U-Verse tv with higher bit rates and at least 8 HD steams or directv over IP



Kuro

@75.151.50.x
reply to Vztechjoe

Re: Cord cutters

Because god forbid companies should adjust to a new business model and not try to force the old busted one to work.


BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
reply to Joe12345678

Re: Doesn't mean much

I doubt it.



Sean Diesel

@75.176.122.x

Reclassify

When they big cable giants get to the point where they are out of control then I would assume that the FCC would reclassify the so that they can regulate more so the same way they do with power companies and gas company... When you get to a point where the average person cant afford sumthing thaz becoming more and more of a necessity then its time for the gov to step and and put a hault to it.. When these cable and internet giants start really feeling their pockets squeezed because the common people can no longer afford their service then they will make a change... You see what's happening now since Google has jumped in and started the gigabit war.. Now everybody running out setting up gigabit internet all over the place.. That 1st guy that mention competition hit it dead on.. I hate to say it but this country has gone more toward cater too you pockets then to cater to the people.. these companies don't give a darn about the people it service but expect you to sit idlely by and take the crap they deal out.. Just as google came along and stratched sum reigns round here that will leave the doors open for other companies to come in and do the same.. I will jump on the next new thing rolling just to get from under the tight fist money hogs. The way I see it the people in this country are very none forgiving and they will never forget how you treated them so when the next thing happens and these cable giants look back and say well yea we where a lil hard lets try being a lil easier, its too late, now people don't trust you so they move on and never turn back.. look what happened to dsl, they thought they where the shidd when dsl came out and treated people like crap.. then came broadband now dsl is a name that is barely even heard of.. so as always, wait patiently and sumfin better will always come along.. thaz the wonder of technology.. these cable giants will become history sooner or later...