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Comments on news posted 2014-08-08 16:04:20: Last week FCC boss Tom Wheeler stated that he found Verizon's efforts to throttle unlimited LTE users unless they move to a metered billing plan "disturbing," expressing concern that Verizon was using network management to drive profits, not to prote.. ..

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78036364

join:2014-05-06
USA

Is the FCC commish asking

at&t, T-Mobile and Sprint about their throttling of unlimited data users? No? Hmmmm curious.


IPPlanMan
Holy Cable Modem Batman

join:2000-09-20
Washington, DC
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What's curious about it?

Would you like him to ask?

Singular
Premium
join:2008-08-13
Shelbyville, KY
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said by IPPlanMan:

What's curious about it?

Would you like him to ask?

I know they do it, I have the grandfathered unlimited plan and when\if I hit 5Gigs a month I am throttled to 128k\128k. They even send you a nice text message telling you that you are being throttled because using 5Gigs a month makes you a heavy user apparently.
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-Singular

78036364

join:2014-05-06
USA
said by Singular:

I know they do it, I have the grandfathered unlimited plan and when\if I hit 5Gigs a month I am throttled to 128k\128k. They even send you a nice text message telling you that you are being throttled because using 5Gigs a month makes you a heavy user apparently.

Yep they throttle even if a tower is not congested. Unlike Verizon's plan which would only apply to congested tower while they are actually congested.

AndyDufresne
Premium
join:2010-10-30
Chanhassen, MN

OH NO!

He is not happy so is he going to write another strongly worded letter so Verizon can quake in their boots?

78036364

join:2014-05-06
USA
reply to IPPlanMan

Re: Is the FCC commish asking

said by IPPlanMan:

What's curious about it?

Would you like him to ask?

I'd like him to be fair. Not sure why it's ok for others but not Verizon.

xirian
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Beacon, NY
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Because verizon agreed to certain terms when they bought the spectrum they use for lte. The other carriers did not.

78036364

join:2014-05-06
USA

un-intended consequences

The nimrod of the FCC doesn't realize that if he prevents Verizon's throttling because it's not fair to do it to unlimited data customers only then 1 of 2 things will happen.

1. Verizon decides to throttles EVERYONE. I'm pretty sure that's not the commish's goal.

2. If Verizon can't throttle unlimited data customers at all they simply won't have ANY. I'm sure this is also not what the commish intends.

These are the 2 outcomes. The outcome where you go back to unlimited data customers using as much as they want without any sort of network management is NOT going to happen. Anyone that thinks so is naïve.

78036364

join:2014-05-06
USA
reply to xirian

Re: Is the FCC commish asking

said by xirian:

Because verizon agreed to certain terms when they bought the spectrum they use for lte. The other carriers did not.

A)They did not.

B) even if you want to intend they did under the block C rules, that only applies to their 700 MHz spectrum. They also use AWS for LTE and that is not under ANY rules. So explain why they can't throttle that?


ArrayList
netbus developer
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join:2005-03-19
Brighton, MA
reply to 78036364
I'm not buying it.


ArrayList
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Brighton, MA
reply to 78036364

Re: un-intended consequences

I'd love to see the response if they throttled all of their customers. Verizon needs brought down a peg or two.
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guppy_fish
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Lakeland, FL
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FCC

All bark and no bite == the FCC

Just another headline that will fade into the dark


OrangeCrush

@209.222.23.x
reply to 78036364

Re: Is the FCC commish asking

Wind throttles me after I move past 10 GB, but they also told me that they would before I signed up with them. Is it possible that the other American carriers are being less disingenuous than Verizon? Ask New Yorkers without access to FIOS and victims of Hurrican Sandy just how honest Verizon is


catchingup

@135.23.225.x

1 recommendation

reply to 78036364

Re: un-intended consequences

said by 78036364:

These are the 2 outcomes. The outcome where you go back to unlimited data customers using as much as they want without any sort of network management is NOT going to happen. Anyone that thinks so is naïve.

Or 3. throttle users if and only if the tower is congested and throttle them within speed limits based on what capacity is left not a set speed limit.

But that is waaaayy too logical and makes way too much sense. Won't work in the dysfunctional world that is called Earth.

Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to 78036364
1.) Everyone or no one that uses what ever among they determine to be excessive gets throttled. I believe they defined that as 4.7GB.

2.) They can't just take it away or they would have. Which is the entire reason they are trying to use throttling as a way to "encourage" them to "voluntarily" change to a metered plan.

78036364

join:2014-05-06
USA
reply to ArrayList

Re: Is the FCC commish asking

said by ArrayList:

I'm not buying it.

Not buying what?

»www.att.com/esupport/datausage.j···0000000U

As a result of the AT&T network management process, customers on a 3G or 4G smartphone with an unlimited data plan who have exceeded 3 gigabytes of data in a billing period may experience reduced speeds when using data services at times and in areas that are experiencing network congestion. Customers on a 4G LTE smartphone will experience reduced speeds once their usage in a billing cycle exceeds 5 gigabytes of data. All such customers can still use unlimited data without incurring overage charges, and their speeds will be restored with the start of the next billing cycle

Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to ArrayList

Re: un-intended consequences

Be default all user on a congested node are "throttled". That's what happens to a network that is not built out enough to handle the capacity of subscribers they sell to.

78036364

join:2014-05-06
USA
reply to ArrayList
said by ArrayList:

I'd love to see the response if they throttled all of their customers. Verizon needs brought down a peg or two.

Considering the throttling will happen very rarely it won't matter. As a tiered data customer I have incentive to not use too much data. I'd be charged $15 per GB overage. I'd RATHER be throttled instead.

Once again Verizon will not be knocked down a peg. I don't see how forcing Verizon to kill off unlimited data is BETTER. Because Verizon COULD have done that but instead chose less than 1% throttling and yet people are getting their panties in a wad over it.

78036364

join:2014-05-06
USA
reply to Skippy25
said by Skippy25:

Be default all user on a congested node are "throttled". That's what happens to a network that is not built out enough to handle the capacity of subscribers they sell to.

Not that's the limits of the spectrum they have. Sorry Verizon should do things so they have 1/3 they have now which is what T-Mobile has. You DO know how spectrum and bandwidth in regards to LTE work don't you? Or do I have to give you a remedial course?

OpTiC
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West Covina, CA
reply to 78036364

Re: Is the FCC commish asking

Tmobile doesn't not throttle unlimited data users if you pay the truly unlimited plan. Verizon is a excuse pest and using it as a excuse.

78036364

join:2014-05-06
USA
reply to catchingup

Re: un-intended consequences

said by catchingup :

Or 3. throttle users if and only if the tower is congested and throttle them within speed limits based on what capacity is left not a set speed limit.

which is EXACTLY what they intend on doing. And you'd know that if you actually read up on what their plans are instead of just reading headlines and listening to FUD

Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to 78036364
Thanks but I understand it.

I guess we are agreement then and they simply have too many subscribers for the LTE network to handle. I guess they should reduce that number and stop signing up more people in those areas.

78036364

join:2014-05-06
USA
reply to Skippy25
said by Skippy25:

1.) Everyone or no one that uses what ever among they determine to be excessive gets throttled. I believe they defined that as 4.7GB.

The top 5% starts at 4.7 GB as of MARCH. As we all know the average amount of data goes UP every month and has for years. Thus the average by October and beyond will continue to go up.

Also you do NOT get auto throttled for being in the top 5%. ONLY if a tower is congested and ONLY while that tower is congested. You could use 500 GB in a month and if you never encounter a congested tower you will not be throttled.

2.) They can't just take it away or they would have.

yes they can. And yes the COULD have. They are being nice. Too nice in my book.

You know they have had this EXACT same policy for their 3G phones for nearly 3 years now.

Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to 78036364
What they intend to do is only go after unlimited people. Which is the issue and does nothing to help them against people like me that have a 6gb plan and will use more than their arbitrary bandwidth hog definition.

78036364

join:2014-05-06
USA
reply to Skippy25
said by Skippy25:

Thanks but I understand it.

I guess we are agreement then and they simply have too many subscribers for the LTE network to handle. I guess they should reduce that number and stop signing up more people in those areas.

because people only use their MOBILE phone in ONE area. You're suggestion would obly work if one's MOBILE phone only worked in their "home area"

78036364

join:2014-05-06
USA
reply to Skippy25
said by Skippy25:

What they intend to do is only go after unlimited people. Which is the issue and does nothing to help them against people like me that have a 6gb plan and will use more than their arbitrary bandwidth hog definition.

You would at most use 1.3 GB more or be charged HUGE data overages. An unlimited data user could use 13 GB 130 GB 1.3 TB. HUGE difference.

I'm on a 10 GB plan but we have 5 phones on that plan. Should I be throttled? Why? 10/5=2.

Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to 78036364
Again it applies to EVERYONE or no one.

Well being afraid of the consequences of doing such is reason enough to say they can't do it.

78036364

join:2014-05-06
USA
said by Skippy25:

Again it applies to EVERYONE or no one.

Well being afraid of the consequences of doing such is reason enough to say they can't do it.

A) Then Verizon will kill unlimited data. mark my word if the FCC is successful in getting Verizon to stop.

B) The FCC would have an even BIGGER issue if Verizon throttled everyone and you know that.

C) If I'm subject to throttling then I should not also be charged overages. Unlimited data users aren't charged overages so isn't that unfair too? somehow unfairness is a one way street with unlimited data users.

Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to 78036364
Well I guess that is a problem for them to figure out now isn't it.

A vast majority of the population is within 25 miles of their home a vast majority of the time.

Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to 78036364
Unlimited users pay for the privilege of not paying overages and it is what was sold to them.