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Unfair Characterization"they have a long history of throwing money at minority organizations simply so those organizations will parrot company positions"
I think it unfair to presume a quid-pro-quo without providing any direct evidence.
Many people and companies give generously to organizations simply because they believe in and want to provide support for them.
Unless, you have something other than conjecture on your part your statements border on slanderous and have a chilling effect on the generosity that organizations like Katz depend on to perform their mission |
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SeleniaGentoo Convert Premium Member join:2006-09-22 Fort Smith, AR
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Selenia
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2014-Aug-15 12:45 pm
Karl is just reporting how the people in the know have felt about this dinner funding and it seems it was enough for Comcast and TWC themselves to redirect their donations. Like it or not, when these companies have regulatory capture of their audience due to sponsored laws, you need to keep an eye on these people. Lemme ask you why they were, in particular, donating to a dinner in honor of the person holding this anti-consumer merger's fate instead of what they backed off to doing. |
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That may be so but Brian Roberts could have recused himself from the 2014 dinner committee. The fact he was on the 8 member committee and this is the first time a sitting FCC commissioner has been named as the honoree by the committee raises more questions of impropriety than the donation itself. |
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Anybody familiar with telecom policy has watched this occur for much of the last decade. The money sent to minority, disabled, and other rights groups may help in some instances, but all-too often it comes with strings attached (read: we expect you to parrot policy positions even if they go against your constituents' best interests). Here's some baseline reading for you: » www.nytimes.com/2014/02/ ··· opy.html» www.techdirt.com/article ··· up.shtml» www.publicintegrity.org/ ··· tics-say» www.techdirt.com/article ··· ty.shtml» AT&T Rolls Out Astroturf to Push for T-Mobile Deal [42] comments» consumerist.com/2009/10/ ··· trality/I myself have spent fifteen years watching a large number of civil rights and minority groups copy and paste incumbent ISP talking points on issues and policies that in some cases violently undermine their constituent interests. AT&T's attempted acquisition of T-Mobile, Comcast's attempted acquisition of Time Warner Cable and opposition to net neutrality rules are only three of many, many examples where the disgusting practice has been stark and obvious. Not all groups of course suffer from this problem, and refreshingly lately I've noticed some minority groups finally coming out in opposition to the practice: » www.techdirt.com/article ··· ps.shtmlIt's happening, and it has been documented for a decade. |
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Can you provide evidence to the contrary? |
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No QPQ? Sure thing. 100k+ for an FCC chair's dinner who happens to be handling Comcast's quest for oodles of money in a merger. Enjoy the onion patch. |
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"People" can give for a multitude of reasons to charities or PACs because personally they believe or want something in return. The more money involved, the stronger the tie to reciprocate. Any human that walks this earth understands that.
A corporations sole mission--and is specifically in their charter--is for SHE (shareholders equity) which means any dime on the expense column is meant to generate new revenue or profits.
So while the SCOTUS wrongly says corporations are people, anyone with common sense inherently knows that a corporation is NOT in the business of charity. |
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egilbe
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2014-Aug-15 2:06 pm
The foundation is still getting the moneySo instead of sponsoring the Walter Kaitz Foundations annual dinner, they just give them the money instead. How is this any different? The dinner is still going on, the foundation is still getting it paid for. |
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train_wreckslow this bird down join:2013-10-04 Antioch, TN Cisco ASA 5506 Cisco DPC3939
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said by egilbe:So instead of sponsoring the Walter Kaitz Foundations annual dinner, they just give them the money instead. How is this any different? The dinner is still going on, the foundation is still getting it paid for. It's not any different; as TWC said, they're just "redirecting" where in the organization the money was recorded as going, in coincidental timing with the bad press they've been getting for supporting this dinner specifically. The Kaitz foundation is still hosting the dinner, and still getting their cableco donations. |
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Will the dinner to honor an FCC Commissioner still have the main course beFilet Mignon - the Lady's Cut ?? |
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ptrowskiGot Helix? Premium Member join:2005-03-14 Woodstock, CT |
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Re: The foundation is still getting the moneyThey are just not listed as a sponsor of the dinner. |
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Re: Will the dinner to honor an FCC Commissioner still have the main course besaid by Bob61571:Filet Mignon - the Lady's Cut ?? Too funny!!!! OMG » www.buzzfeed.com/hillary ··· -of-beef |
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Re: Unfair Characterizationsaid by elefante72:anyone with common sense inherently knows that a corporation is NOT in the business of charity. no, but the corporations are not autonomous entities....they are made up of people who can and often give to charity just because they recognize that it is the right thing to do. When I was at Cox, I was heavily involved in the Cox Charities program and I can attest that much of what we did generated no direct impact to profits whatsoever but it was still the right thing to support the communities in which we employees lived and worked. |
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Please note that nobody said that companies don't give to very genuine and useful causes. All that was said is that Comcast and Time Warner Cable have a history of using these kinds of groups as parrots for bad policy, so pretending to be offended by concerns about conflict of interest are disingenuous. |
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Packeteers Premium Member join:2005-06-18 Forest Hills, NY Asus RT-AC3100 (Software) Asuswrt-Merlin
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why promote diversity at allwe have plenty of laws that do that, and the cable industry has such a large and demographically mixed customer base, that i doubt diversity is even an issue there.
clearly this charity is just a big slush fund to pay for parties and stroke some egos. |
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MC(Mignon Clyburn) Don't worry fellas. It's the thought that counts. Ya'll still got my vote. |
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Re: Unfair Characterizationsaid by elefante72:So while the SCOTUS wrongly says corporations are people, anyone with common sense inherently knows that a corporation is NOT in the business of charity. Corporate Charitable Giving most of the time can be seen as PR/Marketing efforts. That is polishing the old reputation so that the customers think they are dealing with a company run by nice people. Was this one of those cases? Maybe, maybe not. But this is just a case of damned if you do, and damned if you don't. Give to charities and people question your intentions. Don't give to charities and they call you cheap and un-American. |
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said by Selenia:Lemme ask you why they were, in particular, donating to a dinner in honor of the person holding this anti-consumer merger's fate instead of what they backed off to doing. Did you miss the part where Comcast had been donating for over a decade to this dinner, regardless of the honoree? |
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SeleniaGentoo Convert Premium Member join:2006-09-22 Fort Smith, AR |
Selenia
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2014-Aug-15 10:34 pm
What I read is they been donating to the organization, which they still did. |
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fg8578 join:2009-04-26 San Antonio, TX |
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Re: why promote diversity at all"Why promote diversity at all?" Because the media and everyone else expects you to; did you not see the recent criticism of Apple for its lack of "inclusion" and diversity? Apple's workforce is mostly white, Asian and male |
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Re: Unfair Characterizationsaid by Selenia:What I read is they been donating to the organization, which they still did. "Comcast and NBC Universal, which joined forces in 2011, have donated at least $120,000 annually to support the groups fundraising dinner since 2011, and more than $1 million since 2004." » www.washingtonpost.com/b ··· gulator/ |
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BonezXBasement Dweller Premium Member join:2004-04-13 Canada
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Re: why promote diversity at alland the source of the recent criticism is why i say most "right groups" don't survive their second generation.
They employed the people that meet the professional criteria that they were looking for, which is programmers, engineers, and designers, which are predominantly male occupations, want Females and minorities to fill positions in the same field, have them enter the programs if they have an interest in it.
The other thing is the university push by high schools, makes them look good when they generate X number of university students, you enter a program, give them a couple cars worth of income and possibly drop out because you don't like the field your going into, Community colleges and trades are not "pretty" jobs, but it's kinda scary that people would rather go to school for an art degree and flip burgers then go to a community college and pickup a damn trade.
When a company is planning a merger and trying to get financials in a line, why are they putting money out in donations, you would think having a 100% accurate assessment of assets before a sale or merger would be important. |
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Re: MCDon't worry fellas, some of us actually look beyond your "thoughts that count".
I will continue to vote for those who promote freedom, liberty, personal responsibility and individual opportunity, rather than intending to punish success and give special rights to favored groups that they paternalistically condemn, by labeling them incapable of making it on their own. |
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Metatron2008You're it Premium Member join:2008-09-02 united state |
The only thing I want to know is...What the hell is a $100,000 dinner????? |
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Re: Unfair Characterizationfunny how things like that get left out. |
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