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Comments on news posted 2014-08-27 18:28:18: Add Canadian cable operators Rogers and Shaw to the latest in a long list of incumbent ISPs who believe they can offer a Netflix killer that will keep cord cutters in house. ..


masterbinky

join:2011-01-06
Carlsbad, NM

Multiple choice or open response?

Was "current shows at or slightly delayed* from original air time" an option?
How about no commercerials?

There's a difference between listening and hearing what people are saying. They may have heard all the things people wanted, and only listened to the ones they liked. Still doesn't make it honest that you're listening to the customers.

*Slightly delayed: a delay no larger than the total length of the content being delayed.
ie. 1 hr delay for a 1hr show.

HeadSpinning
MNSi Internet

join:2005-05-29
Windsor, ON
kudos:5

Really?

How is this even a competitor to Netflix if you can't buy it without being a cable TV customer? Yawn...
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Mashiki
Balking The Enemy's Plans

join:2002-02-04
Woodstock, ON
kudos:1

We're gonna...

Yeah no, and should be interesting since Robers, Shaw and Bell(if they are/aren't still in it) could be committing a conflict of interest.


EUS
Kill cancer
Premium
join:2002-09-10
canada

Consumers want

a la carte tv, well priced internet without caps, and lower cell phone prices.
These companies deliver none of the above.

NYDude25

join:2007-08-23
Massapequa, NY
reply to HeadSpinning

Re: Really?

Well, the shomi site actually reads like this:

Available initially on tablet, mobile, online, Xbox 360 and set top boxes, shomi will launch in beta first to Rogers and Shaw Internet or TV customers. shomi will be available starting the first week of November at a suggested retail price of $8.99 per month.

NYDude25

join:2007-08-23
Massapequa, NY
reply to masterbinky

Re: Multiple choice or open response?

Why would they ask a question that makes no sense? Offer the show an hour after it airs? Their customers can already record and watch the show an hour after it airs.


newview
Ex .. Ex .. Exactly
Premium
join:2001-10-01
Parsonsburg, MD
kudos:1

Ads Ads and more Ads

If your so-called alternative to Netflix includes commercials you can keep it.

totalradio

join:2007-09-15
reply to EUS

Re: Consumers want

Well, at least Canada doesn't have a corner on that. American companies are just as bad.


v6movement

@206.51.28.x
reply to HeadSpinning

Re: Really?

said by HeadSpinning:

How is this even a competitor to Netflix if you can't buy it without being a cable TV customer? Yawn...

They will also have to support a lot more devices for playback to truly compete with Netflix.. otherwise it really is a total yawn.


TOPDAWG
Premium
join:2005-04-27
Calgary, AB
kudos:3
Reviews:
·TekSavvy DSL

wait

wait a min here. Rogers wants to to go after cord cutters but you must be a member of Rogers and Shaw to get it or try the beta? I also got to say LOL on the %30 cdn content as guess what that is not want people want that is why they're cutting the cord you assholes and cost too.


v6movement

@206.51.28.x
said by TOPDAWG:

wait a min here. Rogers wants to to go after cord cutters but you must be a member of Rogers and Shaw to get it or try the beta? I also got to say LOL on the %30 cdn content as guess what that is not want people want that is why they're cutting the cord you assholes and cost too.

You seem to be confused about the cord cutters part.


v6movement

@206.51.28.x
said by v6movement :

said by TOPDAWG:

wait a min here. Rogers wants to to go after cord cutters but you must be a member of Rogers and Shaw to get it or try the beta? I also got to say LOL on the %30 cdn content as guess what that is not want people want that is why they're cutting the cord you assholes and cost too.

You seem to be confused about the cord cutters part.

Oh sorry, my bad. Re-reading what was posted I see Karl screwed up.

psiu

join:2004-01-20
Farmington, MI

1 recommendation

in movie trailer guy voice:

"coming this OCTOBERRRR, Netflix inexplicably slows to a crawl on your Rogers and Shaw high speed connections. Only one service can save you now...shomi...SHOMI YOUR CHECKBOOK"

/voice


Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:23

Contradiction

"30% of the content made available on shomi will be Canadian."
"Shaw and Rogers insist the service is tailored specifically to what consumers want."

These two statements are contradictory... and limiting the service to their own customers severely limits their potential market, because people aren't going to switch to Rogers just because they have an imitation Netflix.
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jmn1207
Premium
join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA
kudos:1
reply to newview

Re: Ads Ads and more Ads

said by newview:

If your so-called alternative to Netflix includes commercials you can keep it.

Agreed. I don't have the answer on how quality content can be created and distributed without intrusive commercial breaks, but I can say that anything that I do watch is either recorded on my Tivo so I can skip through commercials, a premium channel show without commercials, or something on Netflix that does not have any commercials.

I can wait years for the content to become available commercial-free. I'd purchase full seasons of shows in HD if the prices were more reasonable to me. Netflix has set the benchmark.

elefante72

join:2010-12-03
East Amherst, NY
reply to Mashiki

Re: We're gonna...

I'm sure Rogers and Shaw have very little vested interest in the Canadian Content. Pass the envelope across the golden boardroom table.

What this really is VoD (look at STB) that may have been free in the past now you pay and they sprinkle in a few more shows.

I don't get it, if you are going to go against Netflix or Amazon (redbox now this) you will need to undercut on price and have device support because the catalog is so weak. Then they wonder why it fails...

Granted if you are into Canadian content then this may be useful--however if you are already a cable sub DVR can sort of take care of that.

MaynardKrebs
Heave Steve, for the good of the country
Premium
join:2009-06-17
kudos:4
reply to Guspaz

Re: Contradiction

Rogers & Shaw execs musta just had a hell of a quaalude party together.


The E
Please allow me to retort
Premium
join:2002-05-26
Burnaby, BC
Reviews:
·Shaw

Hold on.... Let's look at this

30% Canadian content is mandatory under CRTC stipulations. So it must be done. (There are a few popular Canadian series out there).

But that leaves 70% US & International content. Now what's Netflix Canada's achilies heel? Lack of good US content / content in general on this side of the border.

So, hmm.... What do Rogers and Shaw already have .... Hmmmm... Oh, effing content rights! So maybe, just maybe, this service will have all that shit that we miss out on because Netflix can't or won't broker the rights to these shows.

But hey, guess we'll see....
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zod5000

join:2003-10-21
Victoria, BC
Reviews:
·Shaw
reply to EUS

Re: Consumers want

said by EUS:

a la carte tv, well priced internet without caps, and lower cell phone prices.
These companies deliver none of the above.

Not that they can. They don't own the majority of the content they are transmitting. Carriage deals usually require forced bundling so the media companies can attach their crappy channels to good ones (and thus earn more money).

Shaw owns only a handful of channels compared to Rogers/Bell, so they're in the weakest position (Except for maybe Telus).

The TV industry is too messed up in North America. They're going to price themselves right out of the market. Not much the cableco's can do because they don't own all the content their air.

Cableco's keep raising internet too. If they lose TV revenue they make up for it on Internet. They probably like internet better because they don't have to deal with carriage fees and terms from content owners in regards to retransmission of TV channels.

quisp65

join:2003-05-03
San Diego, CA

Popcorn Time and torrent streaming equivalents are the Netflix killer

Seriously! I'm thinking of selling my stock in Netflix soon because of this. More movies, shows and more up to date & it's free. It brings pirating television to the masses.


Mashiki
Balking The Enemy's Plans

join:2002-02-04
Woodstock, ON
kudos:1
reply to elefante72

Re: We're gonna...

Canadian content is mandated by law, so they actually have to have a vested interest in it.

XJakeX

join:2005-03-05
Coventry, RI
reply to jmn1207

Re: Ads Ads and more Ads

((Agreed. I don't have the answer on how quality content can be created and distributed without intrusive commercial breaks))

HBO, Showtime and Stars manage to do it. And now Netflix and Amazon are doing it as well, with their own original content, at a lower cost than the premium cable channels.

More than the ever increasing cost for hundreds of channels I never watch, I cut the cord in 2009 because of the 18-20 minutes ( and sometimes more) of commercial minutes per hour, along with totally unnecessary network logos on the screen all the time, ruining the entertainment value and immersion effect of the few good 1 hour dramas on TV, as well as movies.


Flyonthewall

@206.248.154.x
reply to totalradio

Re: Consumers want

Nope, can't hold a cancel to the US. Those stupid content laws really burn us, since they consider a well made commercial to be content, and so we get lots of them. The show is just carrier for advertising.

This isn't going to work, except that there are always a few suckers that will buy into it, and that may be enough to justify offering it. I think they already know that the people they lost, or will never get, aren't interested in drinking the kool-aid.


Thane_Bitter
Inquire within
Premium
join:2005-01-20
Reviews:
·Bell Sympatico

Yada yada Yada... oh look we invented

"We've taken the time to talk with Canadians to find out what they want and to create an unbelievable user experience,"

Followed by:

"Then we ignored all of it and made of clone of Netflix but without original programming or watchable content"


v6movement

@206.51.28.x
reply to Guspaz

Re: Contradiction

said by Guspaz:

"30% of the content made available on shomi will be Canadian."
"Shaw and Rogers insist the service is tailored specifically to what consumers want."

These two statements are contradictory... and limiting the service to their own customers severely limits their potential market, because people aren't going to switch to Rogers just because they have an imitation Netflix.

Saying that no one wants Canadian content is nonsense. Get real Guspaz.

mike10

join:2004-03-02
reply to HeadSpinning

Re: Really?

it is only supposed to be available to cable customers during its beta testing after that it will be open to everybody

mike10

join:2004-03-02
reply to Mashiki

Re: We're gonna...

CRTC does not control internet services like this


Mashiki
Balking The Enemy's Plans

join:2002-02-04
Woodstock, ON
kudos:1
Correction, the CRTC does not control internet services. IPTV however is inside their mandate.


Netflix Cust

@24.108.253.x
reply to jmn1207

Re: Ads Ads and more Ads

I agree - I will not buy if there are commercials