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Comments on news posted 2014-08-28 14:10:04: The New York Times took ample heat this week after it refused to endorse Democratic candidate for New York State Governor Andrew Cuomo, but wouldn't endorse his Democratic challenger and Fordham law professor Zephyr Teachout. ..



n2jtx

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Read More Than One Paper

I am an registered independent who is libertarian (small L) in my politics and I read both The New York Times (liberal) and Washington Times (conservative) to get competing perspectives on various subjects. I do have to admit I am surprised at the stance the NYT has taken with regards to the New York governors race. I am not allowed to vote in primaries due to my lack of party affiliation so I can only sit on the sidelines and watch the clown show unfold so the New York Times endorsements mean nothing. Still, their attitude of resignation is very surprising.
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Banger

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I find it crazy that some states you have to be affiliated with a specific party to vote.


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said by Banger:

I find it crazy that some states you have to be affiliated with a specific party to vote.

That is most states. Many states let you declare a party on primary day.

A truly open primary is only in 3 states:
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonpartisa···_primary


intok

join:2012-03-15
reply to Banger
It keeps people from voting in the other parties primary, by doing so that keeps the kooks from backing a false candidate for that party.

I forget the name of the fake democrat that was in the recall primaries in Wisconsin that the republicans where propping up so that uninformed voters would vote for that person, taking votes away from legitimate candidates.


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@73.160.110.x

If people want chg in NY, throw out Cuomo

If people really want chg in NY, throw out Cuomo, who is as corrupt as they come. He won't even debate his opponents, either Dem for Primary or the Republican candidate.

»www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/stor···4568531/


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Re: Read More Than One Paper

said by intok:

It keeps people from voting in the other parties primary, by doing so that keeps the kooks from backing a false candidate for that party....

 
On the other hand, not allowing the unaffiliated to vote in one of the primaries sometimes results in an unelectable candidate being nominated.

For example, here in Connecticut, over 40% of the voters are unaffiliated. When the Democrats or Republicans have their primary and there's a, say, 20% turnout; even if the winner of the primary received 100% of the votes, that candidate got only 6% of the eligible voters. That increases the chances of unelectable fringe candidates being nominated.

Or something like that....

elefante72

join:2010-12-03
East Amherst, NY
reply to n2jtx
Well I too am a libertarian but I register as republican in case there is someone who has a shot to dethrone the royal democrats in this socialist state. As a matter of fact I voted for the guy who booted Cuomos pick for LtG out of office (Hochul).

In any case you know that they have no shot against Cuomo's $$$.

The NYT is worse than Al Jazerra now. To them Cuomo is a tea party member, and DeBlasio isn't liberal enough. Anyone who totes a gun in this state is his sworn enemy. I can tell you many lifelong democrats aren't voting for him this time.


intok

join:2012-03-15
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said by camper:

said by intok:

It keeps people from voting in the other parties primary, by doing so that keeps the kooks from backing a false candidate for that party....

 
On the other hand, not allowing the unaffiliated to vote in one of the primaries sometimes results in an unelectable candidate being nominated.

For example, here in Connecticut, over 40% of the voters are unaffiliated. When the Democrats or Republicans have their primary and there's a, say, 20% turnout; even if the winner of the primary received 100% of the votes, that candidate got only 6% of the eligible voters. That increases the chances of unelectable fringe candidates being nominated.

Or something like that....

You are aware how primaries work right? They are for that parties nomination as the official candidate for the real election.

Push for instant run-off voting if you want 3rd parties. The current system can only ever have 2 parties, all other historical parties that ever held real power came from out of the dissolution of one of the 2 existing parties.

Civics, study it.
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reply to intok
the fact that we as a country have to PROTECT the primary process with closed primary system just adds to the fact that we are a corrupt country and it's not going to get any better until we have proper reform: including low term limits (senate & house), open primaries, recall ballot measures in every state, corrected gerrymandering election districts that look like spaghetti, and eliminate private contributions to candidates for state and federal offices. they should be held to a higher standard such as accounting for every penny they spend & use in office. the whole idea the corporations can throw money around and that's considered "free speech"-- and even worse, "good government", should sicken any patriotic American.

You might want to look into how many states restricted voting rights since the days of Ross Perot's independent candidacy. The two party system is only about the two party system (its avarice for money and power) and nothing else. Certainly, not life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness the way it was meant to be..

If this candidate can't get on the ballot as a democrat then they should run as an independent. There's plenty of corruption to go after in NYS, and as an independent it would give more political capital despite the weak experience.


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reply to intok
said by intok:

You are aware how primaries work right? They are for that parties nomination as the official candidate for the real election.

Push for instant run-off voting if you want 3rd parties. The current system can only ever have 2 parties, all other historical parties that ever held real power came from out of the dissolution of one of the 2 existing parties.

Civics, study it.

 
I said nothing about wanting 3rd parties.

Reading comprehension, give it a try sometime.


anonomeX

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"lacking time in politics"

translation: not yet corrupted by lobbyists and other politicians (aka "a good thing")


intok

join:2012-03-15
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Re: Read More Than One Paper

This is actually not a case of corruption, it's one of being defective by design. The founding fathers came up with the system we use today, they had lengthy arguments about what would happen if there where political factions instead of individual politicians. The problem is they couldn't come up with a system that would mitigate the problem.

The only construct that would work inside of our current system is Instant Run-off, because nobody would go for a complete replacement with a parliament.
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When so much work was left undone, you get corruption in its most refined forms-- gerrymandering, expanded voting rights abuse, institutionalized prejudice and unequal protection under the law, etc.
these are later constructs which never achieved adequate remedies (even though some legal adjustments were accomodated). There's also the contribution of cycles where the populace are educated about the process and create the catalysts for change. Far too many with blood split as part of the process. The subersive peaceful protests like Occupy Wall St. got the corporations riled up eniough to get the federal government more interested in DOMESTIC surveilence than ever before.

NY is one of the places where the "MONEY" is at. and when you want to follow the trail of corruption.. NY is a 12 lane highway on where it leads to. They even made an expressly higher speed limit on the highways to Albany and a superhighway *virtual* to Wall Street. These are symbols of we the government are more important than you the people. Taken in isolation they don't mean much.. it's when you put the puzzle together you see it for what it is..