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Comments on news posted 2002-02-17 01:13:38: A while ago, as an experiment, we buried a link in these web pages that would generate a unique email address on a blank page when visited. ..

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nklb
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join:2000-11-17
Ann Arbor, MI
kudos:2

Cool test

I should run something similar from my site. I get more probes from bots than from real people.


sonofjay
Mission Accomplished - Bush May 1, 2003
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Malden, MA
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I don't like Spam!

I wish there was some kind of enforcement to stop these a**holes. Sadly the only way it will ever happen is if they are forced to do it through legislation.

Nice experiment by the way!
[text was edited by author 2002-02-17 01:32:37]


nklb
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Ann Arbor, MI
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reply to nklb

Re: Cool test

2001-12-15 01:21:45 Animals Like You Have Never Seen....... 12870

2001-12-15 14:06:42 Animals Like You Have Never Seen..... 31502

2001-11-25 11:16:25 5648 Would you like 822to lose weight while you sleep? 670617

2001-12-03 09:35:19 7368 Would you like to lose weight while you sleep? 3992134

Interesting, are they keeping tabs on the number of emails they send out?


azwoodman

join:2001-02-04
Gilbert, AZ

burn spamers burn

being on the net for over 6 years I never got spam......until now.
looks like earthlink sold everyones email names/addresses. I get 2-5 junk mails a day now and they are cc'ed to everyone with an "az***"@earthlink.net mail address. I'm sure everyone using earthlink is getting the same sh&%. I would complain but they sold me for money and I don't think they would care.
Too bad we can't sue. If you get faxed spam you can.
woody

W5JGV

join:2001-02-03
Natchitoches, LA
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·WildBlue

You had it easy!

You mean that's ALL the spam you got?!?!?? I wish I were so lucky! By actual count, since February 9, to date, I have logged 362 spam emails. That's an average of 45.6 per day! No doubt there are others who are doing even worse than I. In that total I have not counted any messages which came from any business with whom I ever had any sort of legitimate contact at all. And I haven't even counted the trash that gets bounced from my web server for non-existent users or those who have not been users for 5 years or more. Sheesh! What a stinking mess. Sadly, I feel that either legislation or execution will be required to eliminate this horrible waste of resources.


Doctor Olds
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1970 442 W30
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Too bad they did forge this guy's domain. :-)

Spammer's are scum and should be tarred and feathered in public.

This is an older Spam story, but a lot of you might find it an interesting read.

Behind Enemy Lines
A Spammer's Luck Runs Out When
She Forges The Wrong Domain

»belps.freewebsites.com/index.html

Regards,

Doctor Olds
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CitizenX9

join:2002-01-09
Longview, TX

Don't forget..

Legislation is being worked on to that requires people to use their REAL e-mail addresses. This may put services like hotmail out of service but oh well. If it rids the net of spammers, so be it. I have 8 e-mail accounts with my cable service and only use 2 for signing up for shit and 1 for REAL e-mail to friends ect and make sure NOBODY else gets it.


justin
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reply to W5JGV

Re: You had it easy!

oh no.. its just the spam that *one* of the randomly generated bait emails got - multiply this by 10 for the spam that all of them received ..


kcazzie
One Of Jerry's Kids
Premium
join:2000-08-13
Morton Grove, IL

Spam....

I have had the same web E addy for almost 6 years and it's got to the point that I miss important E's,,,I can't tell how many I may get...But way Too much...Actually, my problem...But nothing I can do...Actually, if I could have started again, I would never give out my e addy,,,If you want to un install they they know you have a real E addy...:(...Can't WIN
[text was edited by author 2002-02-17 03:09:20]


mntlcase$
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Greensboro, NC
reply to Doctor Olds

Re: Too bad they did forge this guy's domain. :-)

Incredibly AWESOME read Dr Olds!


WildGod
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NYC

reply to CitizenX9

Re: Don't forget..

While this may be crazy but if it came down to it I think services like hotmail should charge a $10 annual fee. this way people would have to put up credit card and a name. If someone started spamming that user could be blocked by his name. The $10 could go to helping prevent foreign spam. Id def pay $10 a year for that.
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[text was edited by author 2002-02-17 03:11:02]


TZi

join:2001-07-05
Miami Beach, FL
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reply to CitizenX9
Why wouldn't hotmail count as a "REAL" e-mail address?

Furthermore, while some legislation from congress might help tone this issue down a little, what can be done about spam originating from a foreign companies and foreign servers? My guess is that those annoying porn companies and related spamming institutions would just close up shop here and incorporate in some European country outside U.S. jurisdiction.

From what I know, one can operate a foreign corporation from the U.S. as long as one has legal representation in the host country. Since corporations protect individuals from personal liability, one could just operate a Russian spamming company from the U.S. Since the owner is not personally liable and the corporation is not in U.S. jurisdiction, how would they be stopped?

Looks like we'll have to wait for the UN to adopt SPAM legislation. BAH!
[text was edited by author 2002-02-17 03:17:28]


WildGod
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there should be a way to block email from foreign countries.
i mean if its coming through foreign servers it shouldnt be that hard to block. i mean just have an option to block all foreign mail except for certain addresses you could choose.
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felix4067

join:2000-10-11
Comstock Park, MI
reply to azwoodman

Re: burn spamers burn

I don't think earthlink sold us...at least I don't get any more spam in my earthlink account than any other one. You must have just gotten on a list somehow. Here in Michigan they're about to pass (or did pass, I've been busy lately and haven't kept track) a law so we CAN sue for spam. It goes through the state Attorney General's office.
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juicelee
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Hacienda Heights, CA
reply to Doctor Olds

Re: Too bad they did forge this guy's domain. :-)

Is that site for real?
If so, those private pics are a laugh riot


Doctor Olds
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The site has been up for a long time and there have been several attempts to take it down and take it's mirrors down, too. It appears to be 100% legit. I found it years ago when I used to follow the net abuse newsgroups on Usenet.

Regards,

Doctor Olds
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SYNACK
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Venice, CA

reply to WildGod

Re: Don't forget..

A significant part of the population HAS friends overseas, so you cannot block based on Country.

Also remember that the e-mail actually originates in the US, it just takes a detour through an open relay.

There are services that keep track of known open relays, e.g. Maps and allow your mail server to reject all connections from open relays, dial-up IPs, etc. anything that circumvents legitimate SMTP servers. This needs to be done at the ISP.

My ISP just transitioned to attbi, and a new feature that is enabled by default(!) is a service by Brightmail. It basically utilizes a network of strategically placed fake e-mail accounts, that, when hit, will generate appropriate filters that are immediately deployed to the mail-walls at all subscribing ISPs.
During the last week, It trapped about 15 genuine spams (they are placed in a special online folder for inspection, but get automatically deleted after some time). It only missed 2 SPAM e-mails. This is actually not bad!

Still, all my SPAM gets reported to spamcop.
[text was edited by author 2002-02-17 05:39:20]


Starfish
Per Ardua Ad Astra
ExMod 2002-04
join:2000-12-28
Netherlands

Maybe interesting for you..

Is something I made a little while ago; it's my attempt at Spam-Proof Email Linking:

»Share code

Hope this can help some of you who have websites with a e-mailaddy on it

Mind you, I'm not saying it's perfect
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timt8

join:2001-05-20
Racine, WI
reply to Doctor Olds

Re: Too bad they did forge this guy's domain. :-)

i really enjoyed that "behind enemy lines":).

to bad they can't take those kind of people and sentence them to life in front of a firing squad


quientus
So Red Shoes
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San Jose, CA

2002-01-09 14:16:05 Boost Your Windows Reliability

lol!!!!!!!

i want that.


quientus
So Red Shoes
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San Jose, CA

reply to Starfish

Re: Maybe interesting for you..


in the source code it plainly states your email addy.. so bad for you dslr.com!

all a robot does it scan the html, am i right?

[text was edited by author 2002-02-17 08:54:02]


Starfish
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Netherlands

said by user5412:

in the source code it plainly states your email addy.. so bad for you dslr.com!

all a robot does it scan the html, am i right?


The question is:

Are the current robots smart enough to paste Javascript variables??

Else you have 3 solutions:

1 - Break up your addy in more pieces by using more variables in that code

2 - Don't make anything clickable and show you mail in an image only

3 - Don't mention your addy at all..

EDIT: I see my mail addy is also in the <img> tag

Of course this can be easily altered in your own version!!

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[text was edited by author 2002-02-17 09:03:06]


dnoyeB
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join:2000-10-09
Southfield, MI
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reply to sonofjay

Here's an idea

Close down open mail relays.

Thats a simple job. Just make the people with the open mail relay's responsible for anything which comes out of their relay, and I guarantee it will close. And if they dont take responsibility, close them to your network.

Is there a way I can set my main program to reject mail from a specific relay with a reply letter?

Recluse

join:2001-10-30
Randolph, NJ

The case of the Irate Spammer

When I maintained a personal web page, I had a full page of Spammer email addresses (including the addresses of the FTC, FBI etc..) as bait for spam bots so the spammers would be spammed (this was before the WIDESPREAD use of hijacked and falsified addresses) as well as blindly spamming law enforcement.

I got this list from a .sig that I found in a USENET posting, and had added some of the worse spammers to hit my mailbox.

One day, I get an IRATE email from one of the addresses on the list threatening me with legal action because of all the spam they got as a result of my posting their address. They vehemently denied they were spammers. I believe that I had indeed received spam from that address.

In the interests of harmony, I replied that I was SO SORRY, and would remove their address from my page. I also sent them the DejaNews link containing literally THOUSANDS of USENET messages which had also appropriated the Spammer blacklist as well as a short AltaVista search showing literally HUNDREDS of web pages that had posted the list in some form or other (including their address). LOL! I felt flattered to be singled out..

Recluse (user of SPAMCOP now!)

rfrenchu

join:2001-11-06
Carson City, NV

A More Proactive Approach

A while back I had two phone lines, and replied to spams, giving spammers my second phone line number. I let the computer answer the phone. Of course, you may or may not be dealing with the spammer himself, but you are dealing with the end user of the information. If enough people poisoned the well like this, they wouldn't be so keen to use spam as a way to harvest names.

Naturally, this is never gonna happen, so you can do it just for fun.

»www.geocities.com/drjosemariachi···unt.html


raw
War Eagle
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join:2001-01-17
Madison, AL
reply to sonofjay

Re: I don't like Spam!

downloadspam5.zip 24,060 bytes
(spam5.wav)
I don't like spam either.


Techie2000
In Vertigo
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join:2001-12-05

Cool!

That was a neat test. I think you should prosecute if Cox.net stops being an idiot. New idea for AOL You've got mail voice: You've got new spam!
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nil
Java Geek
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Open relays

To minimize spam, you can subscribe to an open relay monitoring service like »www.ordb.org.

Filtering out known open relays should cut down on spam significantly..
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sonofjay
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Malden, MA
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reply to raw

Re: I don't like Spam!

What about Spam with Spam?


ImFixingIt

join:2001-12-11
Providence, RI

This is easy.

1.) All American ISPs should be default reject email from all foreign domains unless a subscriber directly requests email from either a specific domain or a specific email address served on a foreign domain.

2.) Offer rewards to one ISP1 reporting another ISP2 for not address spamming issues originating from ISP2 that does not shutdown that spammer with 72 hours of operation. This would include a monetary fine (say $100K per episode) for the ISP, a fine agasint the spammer $10K per episode), and a listing of both parties (ISP2 and spammer) on a federal listing agency that a) removes the spammer's right to vote, get a federal or state job, receive snail mail from the USPS (my favorite ) etc.

3.) Re-invent the opt-out mechanism to an opt-in where by default domains are closed and an ISP1-sent email with a list of USA-only domains requesting to send email to subscriber must seek subscriber permission before doing so, and subscriber must officially make request to receive email from foreign domains.

4.) Any foreign nation not cracking down on open-relays immediately ceases to receive US foreign support. Period. Let them worry about their own people and how they country as a whole is affected by actions of individuals and their shoddy network security.

5.) Repeat offender in the USA get mandatory jail time breaking rocks into stones for 10 years. Hehe, they'll learn. Or maybe make them come mow our lawns for 10 years. "Thinking about spamming someone? Is it worth the indenturement?"

6.) Pass a law allowing the individual consumer to control their POP mail on their local end and not the ISP end.

Ok, I could go on, but why? We are lazy Americans and nothing will change.
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