Jon Geb
Wal-Mart Sucks
join:2001-01-09
Howell, MI
| I knew it.
I cant tell you guys how many times that people were bragging about how the US telecom sucked so much compared to Canada. Well there you have it,they are crumbling under there own wieght. This wont put them out of business, but its a indication that there growth was done at a unconservative pace.
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nc1165
join:2001-04-10
Delray Beach, FL
| I think this case could be used to study the Canadian business model as it applies to U.S. commerce and see if there is a culture clash when we try to mix apples and oranges. Do we look at this as "it's just a cable company" or are there underlying indications that would disallow certain business ventures from coming together. Any Canadian owned medical centers in the U.S. (especially Michigan)?
The auto industry was able to move certain components of their business to Canada, and Nortel had incredible success when opening a shop in the lower-48. It may be unfair to indict anything outside of Shaw, specifically, until we know more of why they did not meet expectations.
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dnoyeB
Ferrous Phallus
join:2000-10-09
Southfield, MI
| The auto industry had NAFTA and Canada had certain Union laws which made it MORE profitable to move their manufacturing to canada.
I mean, you pay canadians less, but since your car is not a dollar bill, and since NAFTA, they can reimport their cars without any tarrif.
This does not apply to cable yet. Since I dont think you can move Data to the us and then sell it. Unless they can move all the offices of the US companies they purchased to Canada, they will naturally hurt due to the exchange rate.
What seems to have happened is Shaw got into Empire Building and had eyes larger than their wallets.
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dnoyeB"Then said I, Wisdom [is] better than strength: nevertheless the poor man's wisdom [is] despised, and his words are not heard. " Ecclesiastes 9:16
The government is pricing our rights our of our reach. |
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lazy2
@NIPR.MIL
| Wonder if this is a NAFTA payoff?
Have been hearing that uunder NAFTA rules if a foreign (non-US) company starts a business in the states, then has to fold, they can blame the US and get the feds to pay off all the estimated profits that MIGHT have been made.
Apparently several companies (including a Canadian mortuary firm) have already done this.
Of course all the lawyers that wrote NAFTA are now making money off of it. |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02
Host:
Road Runner
PC gaming GAMES
PC gaming Tech
| reply to dnoyeB
Re: I knew it.
Yes I think the process of updating the 4 U.S. systems to digital cable probably broke the bank....
I think while the big boys see an immediate influx of cash after upgrading massive cities like NY with digital cable, the same profit margins don't exist in piddle-town USA.
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BillRoland
Premium
join:2001-01-21
Ocala, FL
clubs: | reply to Jon Geb
Who are they going to sell to? |
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C4Xplosive
join:2002-02-21
Vancouver, WA
| Yep
Dont mix and match Cable Companys from other countrys. Canada Cable companys in the US and vice versa are bound for trouble. Think of it like this. Starting a business in China but yet you live in the US. Your business will be hard as hell to manage if you can't be there 24/7 |
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RayW
Premium
join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
clubs:
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| reply to lazy2
Re: Wonder if this is a NAFTA payoff?
said by lazy2:
Apparently several companies (including a Canadian mortuary firm) have already done this.
»www.monetary-reform.on.ca/archives/1b.shtml
Also a Canadian company (Methanex) that makes MTBE (a toxic gas additive that took the place of lead compounds) is/was suing because California was going to ban MTBE. But the road is not just one way, several US firms decided if they can do it, so can we and filed NAFTA suits on Canada.
All sorts of reasons this may have happened, greed tops the list.
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shane puckette
@kingwoodcable.com
| Shaw U.S. Employee
I am a shaw us employee... and i want to tell you how worried i am that i am going to loose my job. I work for the Shaw U.S. Helpdesk... we only have seven tsr's here. Ever since they bought us the have been holding us on a string. We found out about the sale from a already released news paper. My boss took us all into a room and told us. I was so worried. anyways one of those cable systems in texas, kingwood cable is pretty much the largest. Our company was founded in the seventies by a local, when moffat bought us we pretty much took over their internet operations and then shaw came in, eh.
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shane puckette
@kingwoodcable.com
| I am a shaw us employee... and i want to tell you how worried i am that i am going to loose my job. I work for the Shaw U.S. Helpdesk... we only have seven tsr's here. Shaw sucks sausage, mucho sausage. Ever since they bought us the have been holding us on a string. We found out about the sale from a already released news paper. My boss took us all into a room and told us. I was so worried. anyways one of those cable systems in texas, kingwood cable is pretty much the largest. Our company was founded in the seventies by a local, when moffat bought us we pretty much took over their internet operations and then shaw came in, eh. I hate canadians. |
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alex4life
Alex4life
Premium
join:2001-06-22
Delta, BC
| reply to nc1165
Re: I knew it.
said by nc1165:
Any Canadian owned medical centers in the U.S. (especially Michigan)?
I don't think there are any Canadian medical centres at all...remember health care is free up here...well, free as in we pay for it in our taxes, and not when we go for medical care.
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Shaw US Employee
@kingwoodcable.com | reply to Karl Bode
we already had digital cable. We were a larg grossing small bussiness which is very proficient. now we inherit shaws fate. |
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mad cable guy
@shawcable.net
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Re: Shaw U.S. Employee
This shows just how much shaw really cares about its customers. The pay is already low enough around here, averaging about 10 - 12 bucks an hour. Then we get word that "oh if you want to work for shaw you owe us 5 - 15 thousand for your meter, van, tools, ladder, and anything else we can think of." I want to hear from a Shaw canada employee if they really use the "unit based employee" model?? So, customers of shaw, your tech support is only worth barely above min. wage. To get your service hooked up we are going to send someone out to your house, pay them min. wage, hire right off the street, that has only 2 -3 weeks of on the job training, and hope that the install goes good with no problems. Got questions about security, routing, DNS, or exactly what does a port in the TCP/IP stack do forget it. Stories have been floating around of several installs taking 4 - 6 hours just to get the network card to work. Oh well, what do you expect for 10 bucks an hour? |
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mad cable guy
@shawcable.net
| reply to C4Xplosive
Re: Yep
You can not compare canada to china. Canada is connected to the states via a land mass, china is thousands of miles over seas. We were promised that shaw would be in this for the long haul, that the company believed in treating its employees good. Nothing but lies for a year now. Canada is almost like a state. You can drive right across the boarder, just like you can drive from state to state. McDonalds is based in the states but they have operations all over the world. Levis main office is here in the states but they are made in different parts of the world. Toyota has plants in Japan and in the states and they are doing just fine. There is a rumor going around for almost 6 months now that shaw bought moffatt for nothing more then to show a loss and write it off on the taxes. The owners of shaw communications are nothing but liars. |
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Shaw starves its emp
@198.64.x.x
| What Shaw and Moffatt gave me for Christmas
I am a very loyal employee of ShawUS. 2 years ago Moffatt gave me a very unexpected christmas bonus. It was NOTHING. That is right, nothing at all. No turkey, no gift card, no christmas bonus, no profit sharing, just nothing. I heard from people that have been with the company for several years that this treatment is the norm. Last Christmas was the same treatment from Shaw. We got nothing at all. The company does over 1 billion dollars in sales each year, 2 years ago post a year end profit of around 80 million and does not return anything to its employees. When my parents asked me (i am in my 30's)what I wanted for Christmas I told them cash. They gave me my christmas present 2 weeks early, it was about 300 dollars or so. I took my Christmas money, went to wal-mart and spent it on my kids so that they could have a nice Christmas. Now the company wants to cut our wages to 6 dollars an hour. Since both companies are from Canada, and they both treat their employees the same way; I am going to guess that this is the way that all companies from canada do business. No wonder they could not stay in business in the States. I might be wrong in this, but I expect a little more then poverty wages from a company that does over a billion dollars in sales, has over 2 million customers, and owns 30 percent controlling stock in Terayon. |
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emmpeethree
Twizzling Flagella
Premium
join:2001-04-13
Richmond, BC
| reply to mad cable guy
Re: Yep
lol,
dude, tell me the speeds you had with "moffat" tell me the speeds you have now.
i dont see how you can be so angry with shaw, they have a dept and they are selling what they had expanded on. they admit, they expanded to large.
ideally, they shouldn't have extended into the US
your defintion of a "state" is driving accross a border... i both the americas are states cause you can drive from the aleutians to cape horn
"There is a rumor going around for almost 6 months now that shaw bought moffatt for nothing more then to show a loss and write it off on the taxes" - canadian companies are more ethical then that |
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shaw starves employe
@198.64.x.x
| "There is a rumor going around for almost 6 months now that shaw bought moffatt for nothing more then to show a loss and write it off on the taxes" - canadian companies are more ethical then that"????
You dont work for them, so you dont know how the company treats its employees. Some of our people have not gotten a raise in 2 years, we got NOTHING for a christmas bonus, at the first of the year they raised how much we pay for our families health insurance. On a 40 hour week I bring home about 650 dollars and that is supposed to last 2 weeks. Now they want to cut the pay of installers back to 6 bucks an hour. Neither Shaw or Moffatt have any eithics at all, and treat their employees worse then dirt. |
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KINGWOOD
@kingwoodcable.com
| reply to Karl Bode
Re: I knew it.
THE ONLY UPGRADING THAT SHAW DID HERE IN KINGWOOD IS ADD SOME TRAYON EQUIPMENT TO THE HEAD END, AND THAT IS IT. We have had internet for around 4 years now, and digital television service for a year and a half. The ONLY upgrading they have done at all is change out some one way amps to two way in the other texas systems. No main lines have been replaced, the amps that were replaced were rebuilt and very low grade. Now the rebuilt systems barely pass FCC testing and leak CLI like crazy. Who ever from SHAW main office said that they have spent 13 million on upgrades must have been writting himself some rather large checks. |
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trayon junk
@shawcable.net | rebuilt modems are junk
The last tech that came out went through 4 modems to find one that would link up. We are getting all the junk that shaw does not want to deal with. |
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no respect
join:2002-03-30
North Vancouver, BC
|  Canadian Emp ( I work for children!!!!!!)
Working for Shaw reminds me of High School.
I hated High School.
That's the kind of environment at Shaw Cable.
Seems Shaw likes to hire children for their management.
Of all the years in cablevision, I have never seen such a mess. They fire the senior managers and hire kids out of grade school who try to reinvent the wheel. They come in with egos to spare and make everyones lives a living hell!
I love the work I do but I hate this company. Things were a lot better when Rogers Cablesystems was still around. At least they were professional at doing things. That's why Shaw has always been a coat tail rider. They are not at the forefront of technology. They care nothing about customers, employees, and quality of the infrastructure. Without these vital elements, how are you suppose to make money?
I'd like to finish with a famous quote....
"I've been here before you, and I'll be here after you"
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