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Their stuff is great, the FTF rip of stw:atotc sux0rz!
User Ftf is like a Vietnamese sweatshop; sure they get the job done and they do it quick but the quality is worse than my last pair of 150$ Nike's.
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although i guess this is a pretty popular site and all. We are all talking about the FTF release and how CTP was smart, lol this is pretty funny. | |
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lol, this is soo funny, never think of dslreports.com turning into isonews.com lol
although i guess this is a pretty popular site and all. We are all talking about the FTF release and how CTP was smart, lol this is pretty funny.
heh true, we dont give out where to get it, just the fact that it exists! haha
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SWII was a pretty good movie. It was better then I thought it was going to be
Is it better than SWI? I almost fell asleep during that one and always do fall asleep when my roommate plays the DVD. | |
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| Re: lol Yeah, it was a lot better the Episode I. That's my opinion though. I also know about the falling asleep part. Even though some people couldn't imagine watching it on a computer monitor, I really don't mind on my 21" Sony Trinitron. Anyways, I do plan on watching it in the theatre as well. If you live in Wisconsin/Milwaukee area you have to watch it on the UltraScreen. I already got my tickets 
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some of the immature ones do that... while most of us do it because we've been screwed so many times by music and movies that we feel that those 2 industries so not deserve our money anymore... unless they can prove to us that they are providing a quality product for our money... the RIAA and MPAA fail to provide us this "preview"... only in the form of a preview, which only confuses someone that wants to see the movie or hear the album... so we take matters in our own hands, plain and simple. | |
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Atlanta, GA | said by MrTangent:
Some people (me) still care about fidelity, surround sound and the overall quality that is obviously lacking in these poorly recorded bootlegs.
Here here!! This is why no online versions of movies will be good enough for me until they can keep the DTS or DD5.1 encoding intact. That's the thing I enjoy most about DVDs and movies in general. I was just curious if the movie is better than Episode I. | |
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well, first it's not mono sound anymore like they used to be. Now, they're at least 2 channel stereo. 2nd, most of the people that download the boots don't watch them on computer monitors... they use TV-out card and such to display the images on their televisions and run they're sound card output to a stereo or a better sounding smplified source. 3rd, it's not ruining the experience... if the movie industry didn't release so many stupid and unwatchable movies over the past decade, piracy wouldn't be rampant... same thing with music. As is with music, the people are sick of paying hard earned money for something that feels like a rip off after they see or listen to it. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: lol said by jj nobody:
... if the movie industry didn't release so many stupid and unwatchable movies over the past decade, piracy wouldn't be rampant... same thing with music.
The same lame garbage as always.... who is holding the GUN to your head saying you MUST see the movie or buy the CD the SECOND it hits the shelves/screen. You can't wait A DAY for a review, get feedback from others, etc.?
This been just the most ongoing and absurd rationalization for stealing there is. Its no good so don't buy... don't steal it either. Theft just gives the industry ammunition for copy protection and to keep on putting out the drivil.
If there weren't piracy the sales/view statistics would mean MUCH more.
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well, first it's not mono sound anymore like they used to be. Now, they're at least 2 channel stereo. 2nd, most of the people that download the boots don't watch them on computer monitors... they use TV-out card and such to display the images on their televisions and run they're sound card output to a stereo or a better sounding smplified source. 3rd, it's not ruining the experience... if the movie industry didn't release so many stupid and unwatchable movies over the past decade, piracy wouldn't be rampant... same thing with music. As is with music, the people are sick of paying hard earned money for something that feels like a rip off after they see or listen to it.
No offense, but you're wrong on the mono thing.
If you record something with a video-camera then the sound is mono. It doesn't matter if you later split the monophonic recording into a stereo signal later. It's still essentially monophonic. Monophonic times two does not mean stereo, let alone surround sound. Video-cameras record monophonic sound, because there's only one microphone. I'm a recording engineer so I know these things.
Secondly, if you're recording the audio solely with a video-camera then not only are you limited to a monophonic recording, but you're extremely degrading the sound quality by this poor man's "field recording" of an external audio source. Not to mention the fact that video-cameras usually have extremely poor microphones built-in, as well as the ambient noise factor will deteriorate the sound. And then there's the issue of how it's encoded. Compression/encoding usually degrades both the video and audio further.
Lastly, most people have very sub-par audio cards so if you're running the audio out from the computer you're further degrading the audio. Why? Because the DAC (digital to analog converters) are inferior on most Soundblaster type soundcards.
I won't even get into the piracy aspect but you obviously care nothing of fidelity or the experience or you wouldn't be watching very poorly recorded drivel such as the existing bootlegs of Star Wars II that are out there. | |
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my cams and tele-sync's are stereo from the projection room. I have the same setup I've been using for the past 4 years, just updated vcr copiers and cameras... but the essential standard is the same. A stereo signal coming right from the projector being stereo fed into a 2 channel audio steadyshot pedestal video camera. Please do your homework before adding to the conversation. | |
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my cams and tele-sync's are stereo from the projection room. I have the same setup I've been using for the past 4 years, just updated vcr copiers and cameras... but the essential standard is the same. A stereo signal coming right from the projector being stereo fed into a 2 channel audio steadyshot pedestal video camera. Please do your homework before adding to the conversation.
So you're basically saying that you are the one that made the illegal copy of Star Wars: Episode II? Interesting.
Secondly, I read the same article you did and the article mentioned that it was recorded without any direct audio connection. It said "tripod mounted digital camera", which would indicate that the sound was recorded by way of the internal microphone. Besides, with a movie like Star Wars, stereo is almost just as bad as monophonic sound. If you do not record the various surround sounds you're missing quite a lot of the movie. | |
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| | | | | | | | | Re: lol So you're basically saying that you are the one that made the illegal copy of Star Wars: Episode II? Interesting.
I never said anything of the sort... look at my previous posts... most of my cams never see the internet.
Also on top of that, there's not one, not two, but I've seen as many as 4 different cams and one telesync of the movie so far... can't say I've physically seen them all, but I've previewed them and know that there's at least 5 copies of it floating around... god knows how many there will be thursday. | |
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join:2000-12-19
Boston, MA | Oh boy.. Here comes more copyright legislation... Lovely!
This has been going on for years, yet now that it's SpiderMan and StarWars, and it's the internet (nothing new) here comes the stop file sharing and the internet is bad garbage all over again...
Brace yourself...
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exactly right... it's not making any difference at all in sales for the RIAA or the MPAA. It's just that they want everyone's money. Not just the money of the people that don't know how to download music and movies... they want their pockets to be bursting at the seams... not just full. | |
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Except maybe Lucas, who's ego probably can't handle the idea of his precious "Star Wars" film looking and sounding like a low budget porno.
WAIT A MINUTE, YOU MEAN STAR WARS ISIN'T A LOW BUDGET PORNO?????
I THOUGHT THAT THE SCENES WITH LEIA RUNNING AROUND IN CHAINS AND 1/2 NAKED WITH THE FAT GUY WAS SOME KIND OF FETISH MOVIE! {LOL}
Damn! I feel Soooo Cheated......:D
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| More Laws... I read an article in this month's PCWorld and it shows that Congress might pass new laws. People defending sharing things like this are using the Betamax testimony to their defense to keep such things like Kazaa open an alive. Even though Kazaa is full of illegal stuff, some people do use it for good reasons.
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join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD | Hey Laws are good If they pass laws how will they stop bootleg copies from being bought on the corner? Imean my good friend is a cop and he has bought more bootleg movies than I can count. Somebody even tried to rob the guy he usually buys from and he told me he busted the robbers chops. Congress can pass all the legislation they want but they are nothing more than old farts that think ()ral se% is legal. They can pass the copywrite laws but who is going to enforce them? Well atleast as far as street sales.
With the internet even if they shut down kazaa newer better programs will surface. | |
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| | | Re: Hey Laws are good Piracy is such a shame. You know how hard these people work to make movies such as Fargo? Shame on us for ripping off their hard earned money. OH well.. enough of the soap box lecture. Gotta go and catalog my divx collection.
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join:2001-11-03
Portland, OR | lol, you know doesn't matter how many people downloaded Starwars, its such a big movie, people will go see it, just to get the feel in the theator.
and i hear the quality is really really bad atleast thats what I heard
but on the other side, where as some sh1ty movies go, people will download them, since there is no big fan base
Say no to piracy, I don't want it to get too mainstream. Its bad for me
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join:2001-02-04
La Mesa, CA | Nothing to worry about They cant even compare to the movie theater experience. The spidey cam was good but SWII sucked, sound was hollow and the pic. was all washed out looking. They are only worried that these CAMS will take revenue away from movies that truly suck anyway, and the CAMS only point out the fact that they suck.
They are worried when Hollywood had the most profit ever in the history of movie making last year. I think this whole thing is a getting blown way out of control and that all the NEWS Corps. is slow on stories. | |
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They are only worried that these CAMS will take revenue away from movies that truly suck
Such as "Life, or something like it" "Akasha: Queen of the Damned" and the new "Spiderman" for that matter.
Although, on the flipside, part of the movie theatre experience is waiting in long lines for new movies, crowds, expensive eats, annoying people all around you, etc, for the privilege of which you pay, what $8 or so? | |
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In the last 6 months I have download pretty much all the latest "big" movies that have been released. About the only decent one has in fact been the one i paid to see - Lord of The Rings - and that was some 5 months ago.
Queen of the damned, spiderman, Beatiful mind, all pretty much rubbish and way overrated by the media being paid off by the media companies that also own the tv stations. Each time I download it and watch it, by the time its finished I am pretty much always going "i'm so glad i never paid for that"... and yet my friends who do go and see these movies and come back when i ask them "so was it crap like i thought it would be" and their answer is "yes, terrible" i feel even more vindicated in my watching of pirated movies.
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Kirkland, WA | hmmm I agree, it doesn't seem to have any effect on how well the movie does at the box office. Witness the truth you speak when SWII breaks all records next week, mark my words. | |
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| That's double-illegal? Triple-illegal? Um, bootlegging is already against the law. Last time I looked, some people are doing it anyway. Additional legislation will accomplish exactly...what? If finding bootleg copies on the street corner is so easy, why aren't these people arrested? The Powers That Be should show that they're actually interested in the end result they're gunning for, rather than just slapping more and more restrictions on ALL people (not just the criminals) to no tangible effect. Their "more legislation" approach is akin to trying to kill a fly with a double-barreled shotgun.
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Chico, CA | Still supporting the good stuff. Support what you like. Go to the movies, buy the software, rent the video.
If they start passing laws then I for one will not do any of the above. MS paint for PS7. TV and no movies. ect..
Why not go after the real A'Hole's who steal this out right. Any one remember Black Hawk Down was in theaters in Samalia(or what ever the 3rd world place is) for free about a day after it came out. My old boss use to go to Hong Kong and places over there and they have WHOLE shops with nothing but copys of movies in VCD/DVD/VHS/ and any other format that you might need..
Its sad that they(Congress,RIAA,ect.) only have the balls to pick on people in there own country. I'd rather live in Canada if this crap gets to bad. If its outlawed then only the outlaws will have them. | |
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| | money grubby If all that money wasn't "lost" to file sharing programs, it would just go to the hands of money grubbers at MPAA. So they can remodel their 15 bedroom mansions and add on another olympic size swimming pool to their 5 master bedrooms, get an additonal 5 butlers for a total of 15, and buy a couple of mercedes. | |
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You have the NERVE to sit here like children, BRAGGING about your collection of warez and where to get pirated programs and movies, then have the GALL to bitch and moan when the people getting screwed try to stop you. What a bunch of self-centered, moronic fools.
I dont want to here this "Who are we hurting?" crap. If you idiots made these movies, you would be screaming if you saw sites giving it away for free. The sites that do this and those who use them are BREAKING THE LAW, SCREWING THE DEVELOPERS AND COPYRIGHT HOLDERS, and RIPPING OFF THE GOVERNMENT due to loss taxes of the product.
Dont come crying around here when you people SINGLE HANDEDLY put handcuffs on yourself by forcing the passage of laws, new guidelines, and increased ticket and product prices. If you cant AFFORD IT, dont STEAL IT. I see things daily I would love to have, but I dont steal them.
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Santa Clara, CA | Uh - does that mean we dont have a bandwith glut? where are those glut?? | |
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Aurora, CO | Re: Uh - does that mean we dont have a bandwith glut? This is insane.
Even if the pirating, and downloading is rather rampant, let's say (being generous) 70% of the US is on the internet. Of that 70%, only 45% is on broadband, of that 45% maybe 20% know how to find MP3's, and as part, select "bootleg" movies that have been out for a while.
I'd say MAYBE 3% of the people that use the internet, and have broadband, actually know where to go to get these rips.... That's not very many people. And there have been times when I've gotten a burned rip from a friend, and gone to the movies anyways, to see it in in it's huge, surround sound, in your face glory.
If anything, it's great advertisement. He should feel honored that the movie was so great to be spread over the net... Not all of them make the cut | |
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People love it, sometimes I can even get some money on the side they ask me if I need some, and I make new friends also. Its all not that bad I will see EP || in the Movies then tho I know it sux. I have the HAF copy great sound, ok picture I can see whats going on.. | |
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2. If you like something support it. Go see Star Wars. It shows that you want George to make the sequal. Plus the real thing will be superior quality.
3. The people who pirate will do so no matter what. If one way is just shut down they'll find another way. The laws are already in place against this. The RIAA and other organizations are just wasting money trying to shut these down.
4. If you warez software then the price will just be higher because the author needs to recoup the money invested into making the program.
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| | More proof the MPAA is making money anyway... Ok, so Spider Man was out on the internet one day before the movie hit the theatres, according to the article.
So...if the internet is such a big threat to the film industry, can somoeone please tell me how Spider Man became the first movie to break the $100 million mark for an opening weekend...not only that, but obliterated the barrier by hitting $114 million? Not only that, but it still made over $70 million the second weekend...
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Morristown, NJ | said by apollo80:
So...if the internet is such a big threat to the film industry, can somoeone please tell me how Spider Man became the first movie to break the $100 million mark for an opening weekend...not only that, but obliterated the barrier by hitting $114 million? Not only that, but it still made over $70 million the second weekend...
Not that I disagree with your premise.. but... have you seen the price of tickets recently? If tickets cost this much back when Jurassic Park came out... or Batman (the first one) or quite a few others... this barrier would have been passed a while ago. The record I would like to hear about is the NUMBER of tickets not the PRICE.... | |
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Toms River, NJ | I have downloaded full length movies before. All of them I still went out to see in theatres. Just something about a big ass movie screen and a great sound system seems much better than my 17" monitor with stereo sound. MPAA's problem is nothing and shouldnt even be compared to the RIAA's. Most of the reason I goto the movie is the theatre itself. Plus $8.50 for a 1.5 to even 4 hours long production is still quite a deal. Unless computer screens start hitting the 20 foot mark then I see no problem. | |
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| Re: The End User I downloaded spider man too, and saw it in theaters... it was soooo boring...
now, im going to go see star warz ( in theathers) cause of the l33t graphiX!
(hahah, lame l33t encoding)
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2 kids tickets @ $5.50ea.........................$11.00
Large popcorn for mom and dad....................$ 9.00
2 medium popcorns for kids @ $4.50ea.............$ 9.00
4 boxes of joo joo bees @ $2.25ea................$ 9.00
2 medium sodas and 2 large sodas.................$16.50
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6 pack pop secret bought at store................$ 2.99
12 pack sodas at store...........................$ 3.19
4 boxes of joo joo bees at store.................$ 3.96
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join:2002-02-23
Princeton Junction, NJ | I've been a very naughty boy!
Neener! Neener! I saw it first and you didn't! | |
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