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Santee, CA | Sports and FPS are ok, but..... It would sure be nice to be able play a fighting game(Tekken, Virtua Fighter, et al) online against people. | |
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However, you must also think of the PC gaming sector. With Next Generation consoles making games of comporable visual quality and sound, and with fewer titles being released exclusively for PCs, I think the PC game market will have to definitely rethink it's online strategy. | |
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Andover, MA | Broadband Future Every article I read points out that Microsoft is going to CHARGE you for the service while Sony and Nintendo aren't. Of course they will eventually, they are just more tentative in executing an online strategy, mainly because they have such a strong position in the console market. Nintendo is the grandfather of consoles and Sony is the current giant, so I think it's cool that Microsoft is looking ahead to the evolution of video games. Sony is leaving that move to PS3.
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| Re: Broadband Future I think it's entirely dependent on how easy it is to play on-line without using the MS service. If it's as simple as using Gamespy arcade and a home router, the service won't have much legs....
If they are fairly lenient on allowing users to hook the unit up to a broadband connection AS WELL as offering the gaming service for less experienced or technical gamers, it could work.
The thing is that they need to get the games out there, and MS is getting a little greedy with licensing agreements it would seem....
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| Gamespy has its problems, mainly that Halo isn't optimized for online play, but it does well. Microsoft's success will all depend on the execution, no lag, no delay, that will make it worthwhile over a third party like Gamespy. Tony Hawk 3 for the PS2 is made for internet play but there is no way to play it. Sure you LAN it over the internet via Xbox and Gamespy but it could be better. That's what I am looking for.
I hope they focus on being better that the competition (Gamespy) rather than focusing on locking out third parties. (No more LAN play?)
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Mullica Hill, NJ | one thing sony has the MS doesnt is the Everquest franchise and im sure the PS2 port could/will be just as huge as its buddy on the PC. another thing will be system stats which sadly the PS2 does lack memory.
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| Re: Good article on why Microsoft will fail Read that....the thing is they don't address that users will be able to connect via both Any ISP (like they can do now) and via the XBox live system. Essentially the service will be for "newbies", while experienced gamers can take the high road.
They also assume that "success" for Microsoft is dominating the console market. that's not their goal...their goal is to just sit and the table and etch out a place so they can eventually control the set top market down the line....It's pretty heavily argued that the Xbox was only approved as a valid trojan horse in order to tap into the inevitable trend in electronics wherein one box controls the cable, games, video recording, and more....
Microsoft is willing to lose billions to get there.
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Colorado Springs, CO | said by John Lettice, The Register:
Microsoft will have a clutch of games ready for the big push, headlined by Star Wars Galaxies and online versions of current Xbox games, including Halo.
Apparently he doesn't know that HALO can already be played online.
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| | | | | Re: Good article on why Microsoft will fail And Tony Hawk 3 I believe....
When you want Microsoft to fail, facts don't matter.
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Colorado Springs, CO | Re: Good article on why Microsoft will fail said by Leviathan:
And Tony Hawk 3 I believe....
Yep. THPS3 does have online capability already. At least for the PS2 it does. 
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| | | | | | | Re: Good article on why Microsoft will fail I honestly haven't tried it yet, I'm really an on-line PC gamer...are there other current X-box titles that can be played via gamespy arcade?
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Colorado Springs, CO | Re: Good article on why Microsoft will fail said by Leviathan:
I honestly haven't tried it yet, I'm really an on-line PC gamer...are there other current X-box titles that can be played via gamespy arcade?
As of right now, I believe that the only game that can be played online with an X-Box is HALO.
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Mullica Hill, NJ | Starwars Galaxies will be a PC game first then goto console if it works out on PC. starwarsgalaxies.station.com
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Linn Creek, MO | Re: Good article on why Microsoft will fail Wow, I've been keeping track of all the systems and their games coming out. I'd say some of the most impressive are from Microsoft and Nintendo. Don't get me wrong Sony has some as well, but the ones that I thought (note the word I, meaning opinion) were not only the best looking games, but also seemed to be very enjoyable in terms of gameplay, which to me is the most important key, were titles such as Zelda (GC), Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance (X-Box), Metroid Prime (GC), SegaGT2002 (XBox), and Mario Sunshine (GC). These are just a few of what I thought were some of the amazing games that I've seen so far.
Note: These decisions are based upon in game video clips. The final verdict for me will be decided with the finished product.
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»Don't cut Nintendo out yet...
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| Re: Microsoft Xbox Live to Dominate the console war It's simply too early to predict doom for any of the three.
People comparing the PS2 to the Xbox and Gamecube like to ignore the fact that the PS2 has been out for more than a year.....
Once the gamecube and the Xbox start seeing larger libraries I have no doubt they'll be more competitive.
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| | will see what good is all this new games from sony-microsoft-or any other gaming co
broadband deployment is at a stand still so they are not enough players too support all the new ideas they have
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Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: will see yes modem support is very important to online gaming since while lots are on high speed the majority of console owners probally arent or arent in range for it.
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Linn Creek, MO | Re: will see I'm a multi-platform owner/gamer, and when I saw this I had to admit that he did have a good point.
"The profitable part of the online business is very likely several years away. Entering the business because it's the hot topic of the day doesn't make a profitable business nor satisfied customers," Iwata added. "That's why it will be a part of Nintendo's strategy, not the mainstay, as other companies are attempting to do."
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Uhm if they said its going to be $49 for the starter pack with a year of service, who is gonna pay that much a month (almost $120 a year). I hope this article was way off on the price points, otherwise people will just keep buying starter packs. | |
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| | Man another company out of touch... Well...if there is a problem gotta throw gobs of cash at it...right? So, let's see here...all the games you purchase for the PC are free online gaming...and they are gonna charge. So, people who are hosting their own servers and are paying for their own bandwidth are now going to pay for this privilege, when PC's do this for free?
Sorry M$ I beg to differ on this one.
If you are going to make a persistent world and make people gain items and rank and other interesting things...this will work. It is a proven business model that EQ, AC, AO, DAOC, UO have all proven to be profitable. You are telling me that people are going to pay this monthly fee to fight Tekken?
Don't think so...time to go back to the drawing board...or instead of re-inventing the wheel...examine the online market of the PC world.
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| | | Re: Man another company out of touch... You have to keep some things in mind. When you pay for x-box live, you are paying one payment to be able to play any x-box online. Yes, you will be playing a fee to play games like Tekken. But then again, you are paying to play other RPG's that will be coming out such as Phantasy Star Online. With that in mind, lets touch up on something else that you have brought up. You brought up games like Everquest, Dark Ages of Camelot, Ultimate Online, and Anarchy Online. Yes, they have became successful. But, keep in mind, you have to pay $10 a month, or whatever they charge to play those games. If you want to play all 5 of those games that you brought up, you would be paying $50 a month. Now, lets say you could play all of these games on the x-box network. You could play everyone of these games online, and still be paying $10 a month.
Now, with that in mind. How is this such a bad idea? I think I would rather pay $10 a month to play my games online, than $50.
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There are 2 flaws with the Gamevoice. 1 - It causes massive lag. Has anyone here used one on PC? I have, and using the Mono Quality transmiting, it made my pings go above 250. 250 ping for online gaming is garbage, especially if you have Broadband. You may as well use Dial-up if your gonna get that. 2 - As mentioned in that article, how are they gonna monitor what 450,000 people are saying?(450,000 is what MS Estimates for how many people will be using Xbox live) Thats physically impossible. They are also not allowing keyboards at all, they expect commands to be done with the controller and the Gamevoice only.
MS is raising the Windows licensing fee's for Corportations now because of the money they are pumping into Xbox. Pretty soon Bill Gates himself will have to start shelling his own cash out for this. MS may be rich, but they are not rich enough to just totally blow as much money on this as they are(Xbox is topping $13 Billion spent and $0.00 Earned now)
One other thing is MMO's. They are the most popular kind of Online game. The one thing MS is not telling anyone is that MMO's will not be a part of the "Free year" that comes with Xbox Live. It will cost you extra.
What I want to know is how MS expects to run an MMO from another company on MS's network without the developer doing it. Thats just not possible and thats what they are going to do. In fact, that is part of the reason Squaresoft wouldnt make any deals with MS for Final Fantasy XI.
If you factor in the estimates MS has made for how many Xbox Live users they will have(which is 450,000) you do a simple math equation: 2,000,000,000 / 450,000 = $4,444 per user. They are spending $4,444 per user for Xbox Live. No company can afford that, not even MS. After the beta test for Xbox Live is over, there will be major changes to it. Expect to see a hefty monthly fee and expect to see many other changes. They already announced that there will be 2 pricing plans - Basic and Premium but as of right now, the first year is free(Except MMO's).
Notice how MS is has Sega deep in their pockets, yet Sega is Bringing Skies of Arcadia online to PS2 only and Phantasy Star Online to GC Only. Hmmm....
While people are struggling with Xbox live, I will be having fun playing FFXI on my PS2 as well as all the other games for it. Same with my Gamecube. I dont need some complex yet self-destructing network to play games online, which is precisely the reason I do not use Gamespy Arcade on my PC, which in essence is what Xbox Live is.
Have a nice day.
P.S.: For those that didnt know, Tony Hawk 3 for PS2 is the only version that has online play.
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| | THE PS2 NETWORK ADAPTER AND THE FFXI THEORY OK NOW HIS IS THE FACTS ITS NOT HARD TO INSTALL THE PS2 NETWORK ADAPTER THE THINK IS FINDING OUT EITHER FOR CABLE YOUR DCHS PASSWORD AND TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT CAUSE SOME JAPS MUST HAVE WROTE THE PROGRAM SO THATS WHY I CANT UNDERSTAND IT AT FIRST BUT YOU THE EXPENSERS ARE ALL WRONG ALL YOU DO IS BUY THE ADAPTER,GET THE GAME,AND ONLY PAY YOUR NORMAL INTERNET SERVICE WHICH MAY CHARGE A LITTLE EXTRA TO SEND SIGNALS TO THE POservers
FINAL FANTASY 11 WILL NO DOUBT BE THE BEST D@%? GAME IN AMERICA I KNOW I WAS A BETA TESTER FOR THE JAPAN GAME ABOUT 2 MONTHS AGO. DIDNT REALLY FINISH IT CAUSE HAD TO COME BACK TO THE GREAT COUNTRY WE CALL AMERICA WHICH I LOCE SO MUCH.
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| | RE: An Opinion LOOK.... i dont have alot to say excpet that the guy that thought PS2 is the bst and Xbox will fail is ALLLLLL wrong!!! ok dude i mean what do u know u might know the facts but u havent played xbox online or Ps2 online!! U DONT KNOW CRAP YET!!!!
AND WHAT IS AN MMO???? Look i dont particulary think that one of yall is right! For all you know dc could be planing a massive project that puts it into first of all the best systems. And for PS2.. have you even mentioned Time Splitters 2 yet? It might have not been too succesful but it was a good game in MY OPINION!! Some one will ALWAYS be playing an XBOX or PS2 game online... 400,000 is enough for me, i mean thats ALOT of people so basically any game u want to play there will be some1 to play it with maybe a FRIEND(if u have any). | |
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| | XBOX is Out For 1 thing all of XBOX's games are well a bit old.Violent :P I have a feeling this is how it'll end up after the war is over.
1st:Gamecube : Publisher : Nintendo
2nd: Playstation 2 : Publisher : Sony
3rd:XBOX : Publisher : Microsoft
Sounds like that but I've seen so many sites with adapter for gamecube on that they wont let u buy em for a bit hmmm maybe PS2 can take over gamecube we'll see (if this war ends) | |
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