vknight775
join:2001-12-08
Etobicoke, ON | How much do you want to bet...
...that FBI storm troopers, CIA, NSA, KGB, Navy SEALs, Army Rangers, Viet Kong, and the Obsidian Order break down his door in less than 72 hours?
Screw finding Osama Bin Laden...let stop all free wireless access points! |
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andreo
join:2001-03-30
Des Moines, IA | You beat me to it! I was just going to say they should send in the FBI. They've got nothing better to do these days. |
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n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY |  Love the logo at the bottom
I love the logo at the bottom of the letter:
"Time Warner Cable - New York At Its Best"
Scary thought isn't it? I think OOL is better... |
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BrianDamage
We Are The Hounds From Hell
Premium
join:2001-08-14
Rowlett, TX
clubs: 
| What are the terms of the contract?
Is this guy subject to bandwidth tiering at all?
I'm curious.
You can't be a bandwidth hog per se if no definitions of it are made evident in the contract.
I think that what you do with a backbone circuit after it's delivered to you is your business.
The fact that these companies are trying to get all of this legislation and trying to impart all of these tactics to dictate to consumers how to use a service that they BOUGHT and PAID for is absolutely ridiculous.
It's just another tactic of big business to control consumer habits.
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tomkb
Premium
join:2000-11-15
Avon, OH
clubs: | When did all this mumbo jumbo turn from civil litigation to criminal proceedings? |
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rit56
join:2000-12-01
New York, NY
| Hey I have a great idea....
Interesting how they have selected this poor fellow to harass. For those of you not living within the Time Warner Money Zone they are pushing their digital TV service and every single person I know says it does not work well. Channels constantly going out, poor signal.... The RoadRunner Internet cable works great. I have a shell account with my old ISP but they push the digital TV service on you like crazy. I am not a television person. Part of Road Runners deal is you either pay 60 dollars for a basic tv account with Road Runner or for 44 dollars you get it with their Standard tier of cable television. I took the standard because I would be paying more otherwise. I watch the news so I like the basic service. I had to go up. I just went back down to basic because if you use Earthlink/RR internet than you can have just good old basic analog service and all you Time Warner police out there it works the best, the analog service and I only want the basic channels. I am not a TV head. Head smead,dead, dread, cable WI-Fi fled the cred bed. Oh pity poor Pontius. You Time Warner people, when are you going to quit being such jackasses and love us here in New York? We love you and the cable RoadRunner service. Seriously it is the shit. To bad your company is so pathetic. Stop harassing us. Provide good service por favor... How about keeping your focus there Mr. Big Gorilla sending threatening letters to us .
Dear Road Runner service. It has come to my attention you have been overcharging me and providing terrible service. That makes you in violation of Article 001 of the Me service contract your repair person signed which promised me a great signal otherwise I get 50,000 dollars from you. So Time Warner I have a question to ask you? Where's my money? huh? huh? huh? huh? Got it? huh? huh? huh? |
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BrianDamage
We Are The Hounds From Hell
Premium
join:2001-08-14
Rowlett, TX
clubs:
| reply to tomkb
Re: What are the terms of the contract?
Post 9/11 enabling of the federal government to intercede in activities such as this were granted under the Patriot Act.
It's only a matter of time before they try to brand this guy as a terrorist.
The inferences to criminal behavior are no coincidence.
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Unsympathetic Lurker
@ptss.com
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Re: Hey I have a great idea....
I'd register, but I'm at work on lunch...
If this guy wants to open his door and let his neighbors in and use his machine, fine. But he's not doing that. He's retransmitting. It's a violation of the terms of service, period. It's the same thing as charging people to come over to watch a pay per view at your house.
Time Warner is a big company. But they're still entitled to make their money.
It does however, belong in the civil courts. |
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kba4
join:2001-10-23
Canton, OH | you mean AOL Time Warner is a big company. now it doesn't sound so good, does it? |
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MortySnerd
join:2001-07-26
Mclean, VA
| I wouldn't want them sucking my bandwidth
Let's face it: If any of us had a guy like this on our node, causing us counter strike ping times above 60ms or downloads below 2000kbps, we'd be crapping cinder blocks. Some cable networks can barely handle the e-mail load. (As for the FBI invasion this guy is about to face, that is just as asburd, and I'm not here to endorse that kind of tactic.)
Just remember that these kinds of activities, while pretty cool and fun, take up a LOT of resources that aren't getting paid for. |
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GuggyFresh
join:2001-03-06
Sterling, VA | reply to tomkb
Re: What are the terms of the contract?
I'm sure the terms of service exclude reselling (or giving away) someone else's service (bandwidth) as your own. Where I come from that's called theft. It's mostly illegal. |
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Theo2002
join:2002-02-28
Clermont, FL
| reply to MortySnerd
Re: I wouldn't want them sucking my bandwidth
I would still like to know how they found out, purely from his bandwidth consumption? I doubt it. Apparently either some tech during routine checking actually saw the hardware etc and snitched, or they sniffed the packets in the RR van 
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Kip patterson
Premium
join:2000-10-23
Columbus, OH
| To begin with, his wireless must have been unsecured. Hard to imagine a way (short of seeing the equipment) that they could know otherwise.
A couple of possibilities -
1) Excessive traffic led to RR checking with a laptop with a 802.11b card. Once they got on, all they had to do was contact an RR server and read the IP address from the server log.
2) RR is out demon driving.
3) Somebody finked. |
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NOVA_Guy
Obama- Commander in Thief
Premium
join:2002-03-05
 ·VOIPo
| reply to GuggyFresh
Re: What are the terms of the contract?
said by GuggyFresh:
I'm sure the terms of service exclude reselling (or giving away) someone else's service (bandwidth) as your own. Where I come from that's called theft. It's mostly illegal.
Oh gee, how to respond to this without starting another one of those great "It's my bandwidth! No it's not!" debates... It seems like these are popping up even more frequently now that cable companies are squeezing their customers even more...
I believe I've said it before on this board, and I'll say it again... When you pay for bandwidth, it essentially becomes yours to use. This is even more so the case if you're subjected to monthly download caps. (Who am I kidding? If... haha.. when is more like it) 
If I've paid for service that allows me to download up to 1 gigabyte of information per month on my service plan, and I only download 500 megabytes, why shouldn't I be able to share my service with my next door neighbor who only wants to use up 100 megabytes by checking his email every 5 minutes? Simply because a monopoly says I can't? That's BS, and we both know it. This can be compared to having an extra 100 minutes to use on your wireless phone, and lending it to your friend for a weekend because you know you won't use those minutes. You've purchased it; you have a right to say who uses it.
Now, in a case where bandwidth caps are not (yet) enforced, the same logic can be applied. The person has paid for a service; what s/he does with that service is his/her own business, so long as it does not substantially adversely affect the network. (and NO, sharing your connection with your neighbor via 802.11b does NOT adversely affect the network) If hacking activity or DoS attacks are traced to that connection, then shut it down. Otherwise, leave the person alone-- it's none of the cable company's business.
A good analogy here would be purchasing access to a PPV event, and then inviting the entire neighborhood over to watch while throwing a party. There's nothing wrong with that... Or is cable company going to start having the FBI investigate backyard barbecues next?  From the stories coming out late last week, it would appear that they (the FBI) seem to have nothing better to do... (and I thought hunting terrorists was a priority...) 
It's time the cable companies started thinking rationally about their service and stopped nitpicking and trying to grab every last penny they can out of their consumers. Only then will it make even the slightest iota of sense to side with them.
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NOVA_Guy
Obama- Commander in Thief
Premium
join:2002-03-05
·VOIPo
| reply to Kip patterson
Re: I wouldn't want them sucking my bandwidth
I'd love to hear in a future article that RR was out demon driving. If that were the case, and I was the person who got the letter, I would insist that the FBI go after RR for gaining unauthorized access to MY network...
Just a thought... It would be nice to see the cable companies getting the royal shaft every now and then...
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TxRoadDawg
We're Gonna Ride Forever
join:2001-08-17
Warner Robins, GA
clubs:
|  The Bottom Lines The Dollar
it all comes down to TW trying to maximised profits, doesnt have a dam thing to do with networking performance or anything else but trying to con someone else into buying their service instead of riding along for free.
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NYCnotPir8
@167.153.x.x | reply to n2jtx
Re: Love the logo at the bottom
Yeah but Cablevision's cable TV SUCKS. |
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NOVA_Guy
Obama- Commander in Thief
Premium
join:2002-03-05
·VOIPo
| reply to MortySnerd
Re: I wouldn't want them sucking my bandwidth
said by msnerd:
Some cable networks can barely handle the e-mail load.
Just remember that these kinds of activities, while pretty cool and fun, take up a LOT of resources that aren't getting paid for.
Gee, you wouldn't be talking about Cox Communications, would you?
Seriously, though, what if this access point wasn't taking up substantial bandwidth? What if this guy was just sharing his connection with his neighbors, and they were just checking email? Would you have a problem with it then?
Just curious to see to what extent this really bothers people. And what if it were a DSL line and not cable? Does the fact that you're not "retransmitting" a cable signal make it less wrong? We're paying enough for our broadband access; we should be able to do pretty much what we want with it, so long as it doesn't negatively impact the next person...
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NYCNotPir8
@167.153.x.x | reply to BrianDamage
Re: What are the terms of the contract?
I actually was one of their subscribers and they have such clauses that they could sue him under, including "redistributing or reselling the service" and "setting up a server". It sucks, but they're covered. |
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NYCNotpir8
@167.153.x.x
| reply to rit56
Re: Hey I have a great idea....
"Interesting how they have selected this poor fellow to harass. For those of you not living within the Time Warner Money Zone they are pushing their digital TV service and every single person I know says it does not work well. "
That's not really true. The DTV service, IMO, works better than the other digital alternatives like DirecTV or dish. I've had the service for over a year without problems. I moved and had to give it up. Maybe I'm special, I dunno! |
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