akristov
join:2001-01-31
Tampa, FL
clubs:
| In the beginning...
Or was it the end? (Of the dotcom bubble) I thought this was a good ideal because it appeared that AOL was going to own everything. Now it appears that they are floundering and really will never amount to much. I would be all for them not having to open up their lines if they provided higher service levels to all of their clients. |
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wzoo1
join:2001-06-28
MI, USA
|  this is going to suck... :(
This is going to suck... I currently have Roadrunner which is high speed internet cable modem service direct from Time Warner and it's excellent right now! Since time warner is opening its cable lines/broadband lines and letting other ISPS use time warners HFC network, then ALL OUR CABLE MODEM SERVICE WILL DEGRADE AND GET WORSE!!! THIS IS SERIOUSLY A BAD IDEA!!! I dont agree with this and WHY IS THE FCC DOING THIS??? Serisouly, Time Warner controls and owns the cable lines and cable modem broadband lines and why should it give it to other isps??? |
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BrianDamage
We Are The Hounds From Hell
Premium
join:2001-08-14
Rowlett, TX
clubs: 
| For one, it is not the the FCC that is doing it, it is the FTC. Read more closely.
Secondly, opening their facilities was part of the agreement of the AOL/TW merger, from what I understand.
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dontworry
@24.74.x.x
| reply to wzoo1
Don't sweat it too much buddy. I'm in Charlotte and we had to open our lines to Earthlink, AOL, and Max.inter.net and the service still rocks....the download and upload caps were put into place to help with the worries that you expressed. If push comes to shove and the service degrades; TWC just pops in another node to handle the load in that area. That's something DSL can't do......It'll be fine. |
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dosntmatter
@205.232.x.x
| what a waste
TW still controls the network and ops., your just giving your money to someone else who in turn pays some portion to TW. The real question is.. why would anyone do this, it will be just like the ILEC hell dsl user had to go through until the CLEC succefully exerted thier (*wink*WINK* non existant) monopoly power. When I called earthlink and persisted with thier rep they basically admitted all they offerd was dial up email and... MORE WEBSPACE FOR A PERSONAL HOMEPAGE OMG, AND I GET TO PAY MORE FOR IT TOO, WOOT! |
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tomsprat
Draw Me A "Cold One"
Premium,ExMod 2002-04
join:2000-11-03
Fort Lauderdale, FL
clubs:
| reply to wzoo1
Re: this is going to suck... :(
quote:
This is going to suck...
No, in fact it's a good thing. New customers would have signed up with TW anyway, so the customer base won't significantly increase simply because there are additional providers. Now there will be increased competition for service, which should help to keep prices down, and services up.
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
 ·RoadRunner Cable
 ·DSL EXTREME
| Former Canuck
Down here in the Los Angeles area, TimeWarner has already done that.
On Time Warner cable I have the following choices:
AOL BB - $$$$$$!
Road Runner -$49.95
Earthlink - $41.95
How about that. Even though TW owns the lines, its less expensive to use Earthlink, and it has the same UL/DL with more Web space and email!!! |
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pupowski
Premium
join:2002-03-22
Vancouver, WA
 ·Clearwire Wireless
·Cricket Broadband
·Comcast Formerly ..
| reply to wzoo1
Re: this is going to suck... :(
said by wzoo1:
... Serisouly, Time Warner controls and owns the cable lines and cable modem broadband lines and why should it give it to other isps???
It's called competition, aka." the American way ". It works in Korea, it works in Tacoma, and it can (and does) work on the TW network. |
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Dodgeram01
They Call Me Dodger
Premium
join:2001-11-25
Carthage, NY
clubs: | reply to en102
Re: Former Canuck
Well, as long as my service in upstate NY remains at least as good as it is, I'll remain a happy camper.
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jhboricua
ExMod 2000-01
join:2000-06-06
Minneapolis, MN
clubs:
| reply to dontworry
Re: this is going to suck... :(
said by dontworry:
If push comes to shove and the service degrades; TWC just pops in another node to handle the load in that area. That's something DSL can't do.
Clarify this please. The way I see it is actually easier to do this with a dsl setup than with a cable setup. With dsl the capacity augmentation is done only at the CO. With cable, adding a node involves working at the street level and depending how good/bad the network was designed it may involve having to run more underground lines thru the street to feed the new node, correct me if I'm wrong.
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wzoo1
join:2001-06-28
MI, USA
|  reply to wzoo1
You are WRONG!!! Time Warner owns the cable broadband nodes and they can handle up to loads of users... If they time warner was to install more nodes, they just install the node right near the old node from the same cable... The transfer between a cable headquarters where its sending the signal to the node is actually fiber optic. The node coverts fiber signal into coax signal for cable tv and cable modems! |
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BrianDamage
We Are The Hounds From Hell
Premium
join:2001-08-14
Rowlett, TX
clubs:
| Learn what you are talking about.
What you are describing is a headend, and capacity augmentation will require more cable when the existing capacity on existing cable is exhausted.
Also, don't comment on DSL when you obviously know nothing about it.
Perhaps you should stick to your area of experience....games.
Leave broadband service delivery to those who have a clue about it.
[text was edited by author 2002-07-17 14:34:27] |
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DrTCP
Yours truly
Premium,ExMod 1999-04
join:1999-11-09
Round Rock, TX
| reply to wzoo1
Time Warner already did this in Texas. You can have Earthlink over TimerWarner cable in addition to TW/RR. TW still controls the pipe and backbone connection and the RF network single handedly. The only difference is who assigns your IP and which email/news server you use, web space, dial roaming etc. Other ISP's have the same bandwidth caps, same routing, same port blocking as TW/RR.
[text was edited by author 2002-07-17 16:09:48] |
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JakCrow
join:2001-12-06
Palo Alto, CA
| reply to wzoo1
Having other ISPs on the cable network isn't going to affect your service at all. The other ISPs will be separate from your bandwidth limited, piece of crap RR service. You don't have to worry about other companies ruining your cable internet, TW is quite capable of doing that itself. |
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DrTCP
Yours truly
Premium,ExMod 1999-04
join:1999-11-09
Round Rock, TX
| No, they share the same RF network and backbone connection is still provided by RR. Basically, this is a re-marketing ploy. It is very similar to those dial-up ISP's that use the modem banks of AT&T, Worldcom, Level3 etc. and only provide the email etc. services and bill you.
However, since the same customer will not be listed twice on the node who cares if the customer is getting service from Earthlink or RR in terms of bandwidth use it will be the same. And the prices are plus or minus equal as well. |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
| What do they mean?
They struck a deal? I thought opening up to competitors was part of the agreement to merge AOL and Time Warner. Isn't that what they were supposed to do from the start? This isn't exactly all that positive. It's more like expected. We'll see if Time Warner/AOL continues to "comply" to the FTC guidelines elsewhere.
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NiceGuyNY21
join:2000-10-15
Buffalo, NY | localnet just sucks...nuff said, that with the combination of aoltimewarner's already degrading performance, ugh i cant/dont even wanna think about it. |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| reply to wzoo1
Re: this is going to suck... :(
said by wzoo1:
This is going to suck... I currently have Roadrunner which is high speed internet cable modem service direct from Time Warner and it's excellent right now! Since time warner is opening its cable lines/broadband lines and letting other ISPS use time warners HFC network, then ALL OUR CABLE MODEM SERVICE WILL DEGRADE AND GET WORSE!!! THIS IS SERIOUSLY A BAD IDEA!!! I dont agree with this and WHY IS THE FCC DOING THIS??? Serisouly, Time Warner controls and owns the cable lines and cable modem broadband lines and why should it give it to other isps???
Its not going to suck anymore than it already does. If people cant get roadrunner they cant get it through any competing ISP's using their lines. And remember AOL/TW still owns the wire therefore controls the speeds. opening their lines to others only opens the ability to fingerpoint. |
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nekote
join:2000-12-16
Hopkinton, MA
| reply to en102
Re: Former Canuck
I just don't get it.
What is the business sense of allowing a competitor offer a better cheaper package ($41.95/mo) over their own RR package ($49.95)?
In a "rational" marketplace, isn't RR / TW going to be forced to match / exceed the $41.95/mo price point / package in order to prevent its customers from migrating to Earthlink ???
I just don't get it !!!
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vallis
join:2002-08-08
Raynham, MA
| reply to wzoo1
Re: this is going to suck... :(
Well I (at$t bb user) have officially been capped. My download/upload speeds were capped from 1500/300 to 600/100. In other words, the average 150-200kbs i used to get is now 50-60kbs. This is a warning to all at&t bb users around Massachusetts to switch to some other company! Nuff said. |
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