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Comments on news posted 2002-08-02 11:21:01: Senator John McCain yesterday introduced legislation that would prevent the government from requiring broadband providers to offer access to competing ISP's in the residential broadband market. ..

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raz58
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McCain...Two Faced as they come.

Anyone that would turn his back on fellow POW/MIA's cannot be trusted, I'm ashamed that he is a Senator of Arizona.
For whatever reason he wants this, you can bet your bottom dollar he will benefit from it, and we will pay.
Check Him out here,
»www.geckocountry.com/mccain.htm

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TKJunkMail
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Re: McCain...Two Faced as they come.

McCain bought & paid for by telecomm industry
If you want to know why McCain is backing this bill, then you have to go no further than the list of his major contributors. Seven of his top 20 are in the telecomm/broadband industry.

JOHN MCCAIN (R-AZ)
»www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contri..[?]

Qwest Communications $108,450
Verizon Communications $68,300
Viacom Inc $64,604
AT&T $63,500
BellSouth Corp $58,300
AOL Time Warner $58,025
SBC Communications $37,250

Top telecom contributors in last 5 yrs = $458,429
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garoo

join:2002-02-14
Gloucester, ON

Look at Canada.........

This situation seems to be EXACTLY how our crappy regulation in Canada is letting cable and phone companies put the screws to independant ISP's.

You wanna pay too much for crappy service? Let this bill pass. Once they remove competition, via leased lines etc., the consumer will lose in a big way.

Ask any Canadian how the duopoly of Bell and Rogers has put them in a tight bind. They just raise prices on a whim, and service continually sucks.

Viggen93
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Re: Look at Canada.........

I think you need to move to a Cogeco area :-p
tkenny53

join:2001-12-11
La Mirada, CA

If you have a better idea...

put it on paper and market it. Do what your asking these people to do, hire lots of unskilled labor, pay them big$$ and charge the wazoo for it then give them zero for their return, now do it with your own money.

MisManager
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Rethinking the problem

My initial reaction was on par with most everyone else's reaction here - John McCain has lost his mind. However, as I look over the bill and his press release and floor speech, I'm seeing something different.

McCain is not trying to deregulate/reregulate/alternatively regulate the industry. This bill addresses the single most fundamental and pervasive roadblock in the effort to make broadband access more available.

Let's face it - the existing mechanism simply does not work. The ILECs have zero incentive to rapidly roll out xDSL broadband services. From their perspective, it's better to wait out the competition. Once the competition goes under from lack of revenue, the ILECs can then roll out broadband at their leisure. Close looks at the big ILECs show that this is exactly what is happening.

McCain's bill, it seems, aims to speed broadband availability by unshackling the ILECs from the current system. Given that ILEC dominance in this market is happening anyway, this only speeds up the endgame.

If McCain's bill is the last word on the subject, then he's not helping the industry in the long run, and he's certainly not fostering competition. If this is a step along the road, then I'm willing to wait it out and see what he proposes.

In the past, McCain has, IIRC, been vocal about the power of the ILECs and how they should be tamed. If he's changed his mind, that's truly unfortunate. If he hasn't, perhaps better news will come.

With this bill, in a few years (fewer than would be the case otherwise), the market will reduce to the ILECs and a handful of other major players. Perhaps the ILECs and these other majors will go after each other. If so, then good. If the market can be structured appropriately, that inter-ILEC competition might open doors for new players. Good also. That's my hope.

McCain's bill, as it stands, doesn't do anything except hasten the inevitable. I just hope it's a start, and not the end.

Eric
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IPG0d
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Stevenson, WA

Re: Rethinking the problem

Bullshit the lec's wait till little guys build broadband to the point of making a profit or at least breaking even...then it steps in squishs the mom and pop's and smaller broadband providers and takes over trust me i was one of them when i had more of the lec's lines leased than they were using they started on july 1st and shut me of july 1st anti trust means the gov trusts the big guy to give them more money than the small guy
stevejc

join:2001-12-29
Buffalo, NY

The McCain Broadband Bill explained in English....

An easy to read explanation of the McCain Broadband bill in plain easy to understand English can be found at »www.opensecrets.org/politicians/···cle=2002

Once you understand the reasoning behind this piece of legislation, perhaps you won't be so hard on the guy (or maybe you will!

boogie74

join:2001-06-19
Neenah, WI
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Re: The McCain Broadband Bill explained in English....

said by stevejc:
An easy to read explanation of the McCain Broadband bill in plain easy to understand English can be found at »www.opensecrets.org/politicians/···cle=2002

Once you understand the reasoning behind this piece of legislation, perhaps you won't be so hard on the guy (or maybe you will!
So with Viacom at #5, AT&T at #6 and AOL Time Warner at #8, I suppose that SBC at #17 REALLY holds more weight on this bill than the former three.

I also suppose that Merrill Lynch at #3 and Goldman Sachs at #2 have REALLY big interests in this bill... I know that the local Sachs Fifth Av store nearest me is interested in deregulation of broadband!

What most don't read on this website is the disclaimer,
quote:
Top Contributors
1 Qwest Communications $108,450
2 Goldman Sachs $73,720
3 Merrill Lynch $69,150
4 Verizon Communications $68,300
5 Viacom Inc $64,604
6 AT&T $63,500
7 BellSouth Corp $58,300
8 AOL Time Warner $58,025
9 Citigroup Inc $51,950
10 Microsoft Corp $49,349
11 CSX Corp $42,075
12 UBS Warburg $41,100
13 Del Webb Corp $40,450
14 Morgan Stanley $40,100
15 Nomura Securities International $39,748
16 Mashantucket Pequot Tribe $38,850
17 SBC Communications $37,250
18 Pinnacle West Capital $36,550
19 Credit Suisse First Boston $35,050
20 Union Pacific Corp $34,500

Percent of Contributions Coded:
(How to read this chart / methodology)

Coded $17,404,629 (78.7%)
Uncoded $4,703,017 (21.3%)
Total $22,107,646

HOW TO READ THIS CHART: This chart lists the top donors to each this member of Congress during the current election cycle. The organizations themselves did not donate, rather the money came from the organization's PAC, its individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates.
Typically, members of Congress draw their contributions from two main sources: PACs and lobbyists who give because of the member's position on key congressional committees, and local companies, unions and other organizations from their home district. Challengers tend to rely more heavily on home-state donors, since most PACs put most of their dollars behind incumbents.
The important clause to read is, "The organizations themselves did not donate, rather the money came from the organization's PAC its individual members, employees or owners and those individual's immediate families" What this means is that the Senator is not on the payrolls of the companies listed, rather ALL of the funds are totalled based on what individuals and groups within each organization have donated.

The other important clause to realize is "Typically, members of Congress draw their contributions from two main sources: PACs and lobbyists who give because of the member's position on key congressional committees, and local companies, unions and other organizations from their home district." This means that the funds typically don't come from companies that don't have a LOCAL interest to the politician running for office.

That being said, this website means nothing other than a list of who donated what... their positions on the list mean nothing- nor does their existence, as what most don't realize is that these companies appear to donate to EVERY candidate- regardless of which bills they sponsor.

Boogie
IPG0d
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Stevenson, WA

Makes no diff what bill they pass..

I was just shut down by the ILEC for daring to release 10Mb wireles non line of sight with asskickin rates 2 months before it got out they killed my dialup pools in 5 cities
the fed's say get a lawyer and sue LMFAO 5 years and 3.5 mill out the window call it what you like the telcos don't
give a rats ass what the law is. I would add they did this inspite of a court order forbiding them from doing what they did..... stop wasting your time and save your money...per minute internet is a comin
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