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Mount Airy, MD | Re: LAME! said by bobd1950:
..when they offer Broadband...its worse than dial. So u could see her warped "logic"
Well she may have a point... somewhat... most AOL users don't want to deal with the hassle of getting broadband, and they also don't see a need for it in general, because AOL takes care of them so well.
The people who get broadband are the ones who don't need or want a service like AOL, so AOL most likely won't win new customers by implementing it. Or, AOL probably won't do anything with broadband until they start losing a significant chunk of their customers. I think its safe to say that because they are in the toilet financially, they don't want to spend cash they don't have on anything other than a "sure" investment.
But on a more humorous note... when they do start doing broadband, they can call the company AOL@Home 
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Wayne, NJ | Re: Let Me Be the First to Say It. Oh Horrors! People might actually have to learn something about the Internet and their computers.
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Richmond, VA | Ummm... What's interesting is that AOL's own broadband leader seems to be focusing more on narrowband than broadband. Yikes.
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I liked the bit about color coding the DSL installation packages and including videotapes......"Why, even a monkey could be browsing at lightning fast speeds in no time!!" | |
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She actually has a point in the numbers game because to AOL as SUB is just a SUB another number on a credit card they want people to keep AOL dialup as long as possible its very profitable.
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UUNET-Brokewing-TWTC- Aleron-Megapop cost for backbone and POP= $5-7.00 per SUB
Customer care: $1.00 with educated subs with beginners it can go $2.50 month per SUB on average. The $9.95 guys want them to keep stupid beginner SUBS.
Content: $2.00-$3.00 per SUB
Total $10.00 and it can get cheaper than this on
Total $16.95-$12.95 profit for AOL.
Now on these Cheap $9.95 account you make around $2.00 per sub and the industry average for dialup is $14.95 per sub per month.
Budget rarely provides much content we all find our own anyway that’s what MSN and Yahoo are good for free content.
DSL is not near as profitable for the ISP now it is for Ma Bell. It cost Bell around $20 bucks in real dollars to provide what they provide to an ISP. They let the ISP make like $3-5 bucks. When you sell DSL service you have to face it something named Bell can make you or screw you to the wall. Whoopie.
Wirelesses offer good money for the regional ISP or the guy that can find his little nitch in the cornfield. Its not an area AOL could hope to conquer. WISP’ing separates the men from the boys quickly.
Second it’s an economy thing many folks are tightening the purse strings they will stay or migrate back to dialup because of their economic situation for the next couple of years.
Third many folks like email but really rarely just surf the net mostly our aging population and well many folks in their 40’s if its not at work I have better things to do at home. The real switch for this group is still good old VOIP cheap all you can eat long distance service worldwide.
The future of broadband though is Wireless and VOIP plain and simple:)
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Orland Park, IL | Re: Ummm... you hit the nail on the head with the costs. As I read the article I could hear the thought process "No churn, don't cannablize our current (profitable) user base, status quo." Narrowband being around forever is more of a desire or hope on AOL's part to keep their job simple and profitable. Whether the market actually does is another story.
Another telling subplot here is the lack of urgency of a content provider to push broadband. That tells me there is no market for value-added content or content-on-demand services for the foreseeable future. | |
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Pittsburgh, PA | cool, AOL marketing, administration, and programming all have no idea about the industry or what the hell is going | |
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Glendale, AZ | Re: side issue my a$$ quote:
......"Why, even a monkey could be browsing at lightning fast speeds in no time!!"
said by tomkb:
And history will record with that comment that AOL was never the same again as investors pulled out left and right.
As monkeys were the only customers AOL had left.
AOL was made for monkeys.
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Anaheim, CA | Re: side issue my a$$ said by phxmark:
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......"Why, even a monkey could be browsing at lightning fast speeds in no time!!"
said by tomkb:
And history will record with that comment that AOL was never the same again as investors pulled out left and right.
As monkeys were the only customers AOL had left.
AOL was made for monkeys.
You just insulted the monkeys...
AOL was, is, and always will be for the n00bs, thus the phrase "AOL N00b".
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said by tomkb:
And history will record with that comment that AOL was never the same again as investors pulled out left and right.
As monkeys were the only customers AOL had left.
AOL was made for monkeys.
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| Somebody must have a nice round rump Because she sure seems to be sitting on it, narrowband will be around forever just like audio tapes, but that doesnt mean that the market share that the particular product holds will.
People are switching over to broadband everyday, and the name of the game is customer, they arent playing by the rules, so nobody should be suprised if they lose.
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Because she sure seems to be sitting on it, narrowband will be around forever just like audio tapes, but that doesnt mean that the market share that the particular product holds will.
Yep, and who do you suppose loses out this market share?
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said by vic102482:
Because she sure seems to be sitting on it, narrowband will be around forever just like audio tapes, but that doesnt mean that the market share that the particular product holds will.
Yep, and who do you suppose loses out this market share?
And who do you suppose will go crying and blaming M$?
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New York, NY | Many Happy dialup users I know of a lot of people who very happy with their dialup. They have no interest in spending any more than what they are spending for internet access. They don't care one bit about MP3's and Video on demand. They do a few minutes of browsing and email a day and thats it.
These folks like their AOL and dialup. I don't think many of them would change even if DSL or Cable was the same as dialup in price. Inertia. | |
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I know of a lot of people who very happy with their dialup. They have no interest in spending any more than what they are spending for internet access. They don't care one bit about MP3's and Video on demand. They do a few minutes of browsing and email a day and thats it.
These folks like their AOL and dialup. I don't think many of them would change even if DSL or Cable was the same as dialup in price. Inertia.
Just like my dad who keeps asking me why we need DSL when dial-up is good enough for him.
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Give me a break. In 10 years we will be doing so much on the web that a dial-up will be obsolete. the only people using it will be those that are on the road for business purposes and just need to check e-mail. Even in those cases there will probably be data jacks at the local bar so you can check your laptop while having a bottle of Sierra Nevada. This chic is really missing the boat and AOL is going to continue to lose market share if they don't make a change in their sentiment toward Broadband. It is inevitable that we will all be using Broadband eventually, just like video tapes give way to DVD, cassettes give way to CD, etc. People will still use them but most will be using the newer technology that has more to offer. Broadband will continue to grow and if AOL holds on to the "dial-up" market they will continue to shrink.
There is no margin in the dial-up market either. Broadband ISPs make as much on 1 business DSL customer as AOL makes on 5-25 dial-up customers.
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| | | | | Re: Whatever.... I totally agree. If that behemoth of a company could not forecast that broadband would be the next big thing, then they just need to disintegrate into oblivion. With online gaming and p2p programs, high speed is the only speed to go. Their merger with Time Warner was also a stupid mistake and will inevitably be their downfall. Has anyone seen any synergy between the 2? Nope. They are 2 different cultures dishing out the same entertainment media. AOL should have been like Phillip Morris, at least they diversified their companies so that when they got hit with the tobacco settlements, they could stay afloat with their other product offerings. | |
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You CANNOT connect to the Internet, or use IE or Netscape unless you are signed on. This is due to the VPN feature needing to authenticate with AOL prior to allowing you Internet access.
At the same time, Broadband is very popular with parents, whose kids are screaming for High Speed Access. The parental controls you assign in the AOL client are passed to Internet Explorer, which prevents the kiddies from going to the adult sites...provided the parents take a PROACTIVE role in assigning parental controls.
My call center handles 120,000 calls a week. 35,000 of them come from Broadband customers. So yes, we are making inroads using Roadrunner and TWC into the Broadband market.
And soon...we will be partnering with Comcast to reach more people and offer BB.
And FYI? I do not use AOL as my primary client, nor for broadband. I like my DSL.
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It's nice to be concerned about narrowband, considering that's the only option for many. Maybe it does make some sense to continue to support and maintain it, but as a major ISP's main focus? As opposed to the broadband - a "side issue..." well, that's just stupid.
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Back when we were dating, she was really into broadband. Wonder what happened?
She took offense to the word broad.........and stuck to narrow........Now no one calls her broad........hehehe | |
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99999 | Why we are all moving forward to the future... Aol will cling to its antique dial-up. They really dont care about broadband. Ive caught them lying to me 2x, and after all the problems I had with email and everything after 12 solid months of good service, I just had to cancel.
I encourage everyone who has Aol broadband, weither its been working good for you or not to cancel. Its all downhill from here now.
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the money still lies in dial up as that is where the most customers are now and will be there till the market picks up and all the mergers are done
then and only then will cable and dsl start too upgrade there systems
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Moraga, CA | a dissenting view Well, I'll admit it - I use AOL DSL, and think that it has advantages. For about $40/month (AOL is $20/month if you buy it a year at a time, and dsl is another $20/month) I get dsl service provided by Pac Bell, but billed through AOL. I typically get about 800/115 down/up speeds, and the service has been very reliable, especially since AOL replaced (for free) my original usb modem with one that connects to either a NIC or usb port.
My work email is via exchange, and Outlook is Outlook, regardless of the ISP. For web browsing I usually use IE. As long as IE runs fast, what does it matter which ISP I use; the web is the web.
But the tiebreaker comes when I am on the road. I travel 3-4 times a month and usually take a laptop. AOL always has a dialup number that is a local call, even in Europe. This is not the case with many other services.
I can't find another service that gives me the broadband connection for the price, plus local dialup service on the road. Maybe if all hotels provided broadband support, it would matter less. But my experience is that only about 1 hotel in 5 that I stay in does. The rest of the time it is dialup, and for those times, AOL has the edge. | |
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Astoria, NY | If AOL whould die If AOL whould die does anyone think that broadband whould be better off. Maybe all the AOLers whould come over to DSL or Cable. | |
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I think her take on the current state of broadband is on the money, as far as migrating the current AOL customer base is concerned. AOL's typical customer, for the foreseeable future, is going to be the dial-up consumer. Many AOL'ers can't get DSL or cable access because of where they live. Many AOL customers just won't make the move to broadband because of the cost, or as one poster put it, inertia.
My family is on AOL. I'm the only one on DSL. I've got AOL DSL and it works alright for me. I don't think my sisters would ever consider giving AOL up. It doesn't make any difference to them about cost or speed. They have their AOL buddies, they have their AOL chatrooms, they have their AIM and their AOL email. If they buys stuff on the web, it's through AOL and they have it charged to their AOL account or buy from a merchant that uses AOL's referral service. As far as I know, none of them really surf outside of AOL and I don't think any of them use any browser other than AOL's browser. When I send them links, I have to copy/paste into the AOL browser, then send it to them as a Favorites link. Sending them a plain URL usually doesn't work, no matter how I explain it on AIM.
Heh, I know guys with broadband that still have an AOL account because other family members don't want to give AOL up!
Most of the people that post at DSLR think outside of the box. That's not the AOL customer. Most AOL'ers aren't comfortable outside of the box. They like the warm, fuzzy feeling they get with AOL. It may sound funny but most really like that "You've got Mail!" sound. | |
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join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT | A Monkey has Arrived!! LoL...I just love these AOL posts..because everyone of US that uses AOL becomes a Noob..an idiot..a fool...and a Monkey.
Well, guess what? The jokes on you.
Because for whatever reason, you're living back in the early 1990's when it comes to what AOL is.
AOL is dialup...and DSL..and guess what? They're even RoadRunner!
Yep..that 2000/384 service for 44.95 per month!
Now, how many of YOU have those speeds on YOUR broadband?
Not many, huh?
And certainly, not for that price.
Like a poster also said above...AOL really does have a helluva DSL package too.
For around 41.00 per month..you can get what many others
offer for 50.00 on up.
And, that includes the AOL service itself..something that
would cost an additional 14.95 on a Bring your own access plan if using another ISP.
So..their DSL really comes down to 41.00 and change
vs what would be 65.00 or more with another ISP.
And, with AOL DSL..it's a month to month contract..not a year long one as with many other DSL providers.
As for the service itself, while many like to portray it as something for "noobs"..this "noob" has alot of experience. And what AOL really is is about convenience
in many respects.
Instead of surfing all over the place..it's right there
and very easily accessible.
Their mail program really is nice and convenient and
personally, I'd much rather use AOL's IM capabilities
over AIM's anyday.
I've also been beta testing AOL 8.0, and they've done an
outstanding job with it in adding spam controls for mail..
and themes for the program itself.
And, this doesn't even address their proprietary content..
things like the special guests they have in chat rooms..
and the all around entertainment for an entire family.
Really, I think it's unfair the way people portray what AOL is today. Because in none of your comments do you ever talk about the above. It's one thing to critisize a service..but do it fairly based on what they are.
As far as Broadband vs dialup..in all honesty after using
2000k RR service since early 1998..I think there are many things it just really isn't necessary for.
If you're going to surf an average webpage that's not
very graphic intensive..or just check email or use
chat..I'm hard pressed to see any difference at all.
A good 56k modem service will load those pages just as
fast as BB will. Certainly, for things like heavy downloading, video etc..BB has it's place..but that just
isn't what everyone uses the net for.
I personally think AOL will find it's place in the BB mkt
with a somewhat lesser BB offering..something along the lines of 256k - 512k service.
That would give the speed that many people need for the
occasional downloads..while still keeping the price reasonable for the majority of consumers.
29.95 Broadband will sell in large numbers..and that's how
AOL will convert large numbers of users...while still offering faster speeds for those who want it..and those willing to pay for it.
I think AOL would be there today if the Bell's weren't
getting such a large part of that fee.
That's the challenge they need to overcome...how to take the price down, along with the speed of the service,
while still maintaining a decent level of profitability per sub.
But, for now..i really don't agree that they're not
pushing BB..It's advertised heavily on the AOL service,
and there's a wide variety for people to choose from.
And, all at prices that are arguably better than what most here are paying.
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Bronx, NY | OH NO! i can't believe this woman said narrowband will be around for ever. if the president of the broadband division of AOL is saying that broadband will be around forever then you should get the idea of what their focus is on. in other words, if you are a stockholder. get your money out of there. let the monkeys use AOL if they like it so much. as for me i will stick with earthlink. great isp.
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Waterbury, CT | Re: OH NO! said by Apple4life:
let the monkeys use AOL if they like it so much. as for me i will stick with earthlink. great isp.
Well, you'd better swing right on over to the Earthlink
Cable Forum.
Just a couple tree limbs..and you'll be there.
And what you'll find is Earthlink Cable is AOL/TW's
RoadRunner service rebranded under Earthlinks own name.
Care for a Banana?
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Delta, BC | If Narrowband is gonna be around forever, then I see the end of advancements in computer technology. If half the population is still using Dial-up, then companies can't advance and make newer, better services, than demand faster connections.
Dial-up has to come to an end, just like 300 baud modems and such.
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