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Glendale, AZ | This is a stupid waste of taxpayer money. This is such a waste of taxpayer money! Again, the federal gov't aiding a company!
It sounds to me that Buckeye Cable Systems have some really stupid configuration and network techs. They must have forgot to lockdown the modems of their subscribers.
I like the quote in the article saying that Buckeye didn't know what to do. GET A CLUE to start. Find the perps and cut their cable service off completely! Send a certified letter to the perps outlining why they were cutoff and then offer to restore service only after they have a new modem with the caps in place. Also tell them in the letter that uncapping is theft of service and further incidents will lead to a LAWSUIT!!!
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| | | | Re: This is a stupid waste of taxpayer money. said by N10Cities:
Exactly.....doesn't the police force have some robberies or murder cases to work?
Apparently not... you'll note that in the story, it mentions that one of the "perps" was already run out of Sylvania when the police chief there set up a hidden camera sting to find out who was taking coffee and creamer from (I assume) a government office break room.
Doesn't seem like high crime is their concern much... they LIKE their coffee and their internet connection. =) | |
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Southfield, MI | Re: This is a stupid waste of taxpayer money. No one was ever charged with the coffee crime so it seems strange to even list it. Plus their home addresses being listed makes me feel the paper/website is in on the persecution.
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| Re: This is a stupid waste of taxpayer money. The newspaper and the cable company are under common ownership...
»www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dl···ry=ABOUT
(Quite a few other companies own both newspapers and cable companies -- the most well-known examples are Cox now, and Scripps-Howard before they sold their cable systems to Comcast.)
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| | | | | | | Re: This is a stupid waste of taxpayer money. If you dig deep enough, I'm sure you will see this type of *co-conspiracy* in several areas of media, business, and government.
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No one was ever charged with the coffee crime so it seems strange to even list it. Plus their home addresses being listed makes me feel the paper/website is in on the persecution.
Of coures the Toledo Blade is all for the prosecution; who do you thinks owns Buckeye cable? | |
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Better send more cars/cops to "guard Dunkin Donuts" just in case they might get robbed... | |
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| | | | | | Re: This is a stupid waste of taxpayer money. Jester has a point although he seemed to have a little to much of an outburst. The law is the law reguardless and that doesn't make the police officers bad or wrong to carry it out. They don't make the law. Criminals make the law (hehe or so it seems sometimes). There is a big difference between owning slaves and stealing the bandwidth of everyone around you and breaking the law. Also I didn't seem to recall the article saying anything about these guys altering their own computers. It said they were uncapping; which, for those of you who don't really know what they are talking about when you post here, means (in short)that they had to get in and modify their cable modem! They had to alter the actual properties of the modem not their computer! Now the real question that everyone should be asking is this: Did they buy their own cable modem or were they just leasing one from their cable provider? One way they would be uncapping, stealing, and altering equipment that doesn't belong to them. The other way they would only be uncapping and stealing. Either way they should be severely punished for it because I know if they don't more and more people will do it and our cable will slow down so bad that dial-up will be a wave of the future. I know that if someone in my area did that I and nothing severe was done about it I might have to break the law and do some cyber crime to their computer to make sure they never get on again. | |
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This is such a waste of taxpayer money! Again, the federal gov't aiding a company!
It sounds to me that Buckeye Cable Systems have some really stupid configuration and network techs. They must have forgot to lockdown the modems of their subscribers.
You know what you are absolutly right. Since when does a cable company have its own private police force? If thats the case then maybe I should call the FBI to track down telemarketers that call after hours.
It is so easy to keep tabs on download speeds I would be wasting my time typing it out, that is a shame on that cable company.
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Technical questions: Where is the line between tweaking your system to achieve maximum throughput and theft of service? I mean, could a user "tweak" his own system or software to a degree the ISP and the Feds would consider theft of bandwidth? Runner's attorney referenced software. Could software on Runner's own machine (and assuming it did not make config changes to Buckeye's network) have caused in increase in available bandwidth? [Not looking for a "how to" here, just trying to understand where the line is, and whether someone could innocently stumble into "theft".]
Philosophical questions: What if the user bought and owns the modem? Is it a crime to modify your own equipment [again, without modifying network software or infrastructure] to maximize throughput? What's wrong with drawing the most your line will support?
Finally, why isn't it a crime for ISPs to provide less than the advertised bandwidth? Some routinely provide far less than advertised, for reasons that have nothing to do with traffic or temporary equipment problems. It's like fixing the scales or the meter on a pump. I bet the oil companies would like to be able to charge $1.279 for "up to a gallon" of gas, the butcher charge $15.00 for "up to a pound" of filet mignon, and AT&T charge $0.09 for "up to a minute" of long distance, which is kinda what the ISPs do in their TOSs. | |
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... and AT&T charge $0.09 for "up to a minute" of long distance...
Don't they already do this? 
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Technical questions: Where is the line between tweaking your system to achieve maximum throughput and theft of service?
Very simple it wasn't tweaking it was illegally reconfiguring the cable modem. (Just like illegal TV descramblers)
Because most ISP's are interstate federal agencys can get involved.
This is also (except maybe for the FBI), NOT an unusual even it has been reported here a number of times and almost all "uncapping" cable threads here roundly say don't risk it.
Not to mention the ethical nature of screwing your neighbor, by hogging limited bandwidth per node.
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| | | I have to agree this sounds a bit fishy , one has to wonder what they were using the extra bandwidth for to have the feds so willing to help | |
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| | | | Re: This is a stupid waste of taxpayer money. Imagine if someone made an uncapping virus, what then u pay it’s your problem, or like back in the old days when u bought optimizer programs to make your 56k work better and never work, that should be a crime. Looks like someone found a good cable modem optimizer and worked and that’s why there coming down. For what there doing with the extra bandwidth there probably parallel processing all our PC’s into one huge super computer. If buckeye was my provider I would do a personal boycott, because it would seriously bother me that they are hell bent on getting the maximum penalty for there subscribers, lets say they limit you to 10 e-mails a days and you get spammed bad and they value each additional e-mail at .50 cents a piece but don’t tell you that additional e-mail beyond 10 is a felony offence for stealing e-mail server space. Where do they draw the line? | |
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Houston, TX | I'm am really tired of law enforcement and ISP's treating the customer like the criminal in these situations. ISP's should emulate another industry that routinely oversubscribes a limited resource - the airlines. When I buy a reservation on an airline I have a "reasonable" expectation that I will get a seat on the plane. On more that one occasion I have been booked on a flight that had too many "reserved" passengers and not enough seats. In every case the airline accepted responsibility for not managing their resources well and politely asked for volunteers who would be willing to be temporarily inconvenienced by waiting for later flights. Those who accepted were handsomely compensated for their generous act (free tickets, meals, lodging, etc.).
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| It was no more a correct use of the FBI then to have them come in and mop the floors at the company offices. The cable company had the power to shut off these subscribers but instead chose to move the burden onto the taxpayers.
There is no question that the uncapers are in the wrong but how is it my job to pay for the cable company's operating expenses when I am not even their customer. If they want to set an example let them sue the uncapers of additional costs they incurred servicing their uncaped modems and the termination cost.
I would like to add this because many posters seem to think that these people had to break in to the cable company's servers to do the uncaping. If they did then yes, this would be a case for the FBI but I assure you that they did not. It is all done from software that they run on the subscriber's own computer that tricks the modem into taking their configuration file.
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| | | | Re: This is a stupid waste of taxpayer money. Sorry to sound a dissonant note, but maybe this was an appropriate use of government power. Why, I bet this coffee-drinking, cyber-terrorizing "attorney" was taking orders directly from Osama bin Laden himself. | |
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| | | | | Re: This is a stupid waste of taxpayer money. You are all a bunch of morons. Promoting illegal activity and saying that the police "of which form I don't care" should not act to stop crime and arrest the perpetrators. I bet you would all change your tune and start crying for the police if someone moved in next door to you and uncapped their modem. Yeah I would love to see all you lusers faces when you try to get online. What a bunch of unappreciative, selfish, anarchist, idiots. Why don't you all move to another country like China for instance and try to have fun on the internet there! | |
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| | | | | | Re: This is a stupid waste of taxpayer money. jester seems to have a bit of anger!
Is he the owner of this ISP? muahahahahahah
by the way jester at one point it was consider legal to own slaves! Just because something is the law doesn't make it right! | |
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You are all a bunch of morons. Promoting illegal activity and saying that the police "of which form I don't care" should not act to stop crime and arrest the perpetrators. I bet you would all change your tune and start crying for the police if someone moved in next door to you and uncapped their modem. Yeah I would love to see all you lusers faces when you try to get online. What a bunch of unappreciative, selfish, anarchist, idiots. Why don't you all move to another country like China for instance and try to have fun on the internet there!
You are missing the point. If I modify MY OWN EQUIPMENT is it illegal? I should think not, it's MY property. There aren't any laws saying I can't do so. The rule about cable descramblers doesn't apply here. This isn't television reception, this is INTERNET ACCESS. | |
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Fremont, CA | Re: This is a stupid waste of taxpayer money. said by Eek2121:
You are missing the point. If I modify MY OWN EQUIPMENT is it illegal? I should think not, it's MY property. There aren't any laws saying I can't do so. The rule about cable descramblers doesn't apply here. This isn't television reception, this is INTERNET ACCESS.
It is against the use policy of the ISP, a contract binding you to what you can do. I imagine that you could be arrested for not rewinding a videotape you rent if you sign something saying you will before you rent it. | |
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Lake Zurich, IL | Re: This is a stupid waste of taxpayer money. You can only be arrested for criminal offenses. Your only recourse for a breach of contract is to file a lawsuit. Again, I still don't understand why they were arrested. | |
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| | | Yes, Block Communications ownes Buckeye-express (which is also Access Toledo), Buckeye-cable (they use the same NOC) and the Toledo Blade and two papers in Pittsburg. Block Communications recently sold some bonds which investors rated as "junk" also, in an effort of which my investment anaylst called "dark rolling clouds". This may just be a move to help give them money investment capital OR they are just too wrapped up to understand that stealing cable and stealing broad band isn't truely the same issue.
Buckeye was the FIRST affordable residentical broadband internet connection in the Toledo area, so MANY people jumped on board (including me). Since then SBC DSL is around and even better a startup company called ComWavz is offering LIGHTING fast FixWireless speeds in the Toledo and surronding areas ( »www.comwavz.com ) .. I dropped Buckeye when I seen this artical months ago and glad I did.
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| | Ridiculous Ok, we all know uncapping is against the TOS, but sending in the feds and calling it a felony is a bit extreme.
Hopefully these cases will be thrown out, restitution and a fine would be adequate. We don't need to put these people in jail and confiscate their computers.
They didn't kill someone... they simply modified their modem to get extra bandwidth... | |
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|  skokieHere I Go AgainPremium
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San Jose, CA | Re: Ridiculous I agree. Going a little to far there. And I have a question. If that cable company is so worried about bandwidth being stolen then why dont they take the cap process out of the modem like dsl. For dsl they adjust the cap at the dslam and sometimes the router.
Just my 2 cents.
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kudos:1 | said by digiphreak:
Ok, we all know uncapping is against the TOS, but sending in the feds and calling it a felony is a bit extreme.
Well in case you have never notice theft of cable TV service can and often is treated as a felony too.
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| | | | Re: Ridiculous I have noticed -- and I am noticing again.
Just because thats how it is done, and has been done, doesn't mean that it is right. I know this has happened in the past. Thanks to the patriot act and other cybercrime laws you can call just about any action that utilizes an electronic device a felony if not terrorism.
Don't get me wrong, I think we need to take measures to protect ourselves from further terrorist attacks. I just don't think that a lawyer and some 16 year old kids who uncapped their modems qualify as felons or terrorists.
Buckeye cable can go f*** themsleves. Stop wasting our tax dollars! | |
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| Re: Ridiculous And the wholesale violation as just a wrist slap/fine/loss of service ignoring (victimless crime...which it is not) public perception (just justifying the self wrongdoing) has lead to the strengthening of the penalties. (As may well happen with MP3 too if the we're just ripping off the big evil conglomerate mentality continues no matter the degree.
As I have speculated elsewhere in this thread... we also don't know what else these people may have been doing... only the aspect the cable company has chosen to follow.
The confiscation of computers (in addition to modems) makes me think there is more going on here like wholesale music / film distribution (not just downloading), porn or something illegal that really got the interest of the feds.
Lets face it most of us are maybe not totally happy with 1500kbs but for most it seems plenty fast... most who are bandwidth hogging are doing something less than legal very likely to continuously be doing that.
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| | | | | | Re: Ridiculous Yeh, if only... I seriously doubt they were getting the 1500kbps, and I'd guess they WERE doing more than your regular neighborhood surfer. BUT - a felony, sheesh it must be getting close to election time for that prosecutor!
If the stupid provider had just set up a different service fee schedule, he'd have a case in court. IF the customer is able to use that much bandwidth, tell the customer how much he has to pay for it. If they use more than that and don't pay, you've got a documented loss that is pursueable. Of course, if you can get the customer to submit to automatic payment deduction from a charge card... Well, that would be a pipe-dream wouldn't it? | |
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kudos:1 | said by Hayward:
The confiscation of computers (in addition to modems) makes me think there is more going on here like wholesale music / film distribution (not just downloading), porn or something illegal that really got the interest of the feds.
They confiscated the computers because the software used for uncapping would have been located on the computers.
I think I might even have an idea of what piece of software was on there, hence it would have been something that the feds might have wanted to get ahold of.
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| | | | | | said by hayward:
And the wholesale violation as just a wrist slap/fine/loss of service ignoring (victimless crime...which it is not) public perception (just justifying the self wrongdoing) has lead to the strengthening of the penalties.
So by your logic... the penalty for speeding 5 miles over the limit is a fine. Yet everyone continues to speed and it is a "victimless" crime. In order to curb this horrendous pattern of disregard for the law we should arrest, jail, and charge with a felony anyone who drives 5 mph over the limit.
said by hayward:
The confiscation of computers (in addition to modems) makes me think there is more going on here like wholesale music / film distribution (not just downloading), porn or something illegal that really got the interest of the feds.
No... this is typical of the feds... confiscate everything that connects to the modem. I bet they took their monitors and their printers too. This happens every time and they will call it federal evidence and the poor shmucks will not only have their names dragged through the mud, they will never get their PC's back either.
Again, what would have been wrong with simply cutting off service to these "felons"? I hope you are right and these people are actually terrorist porno industry mp3 distributors who have now been locked up so they can no longer harm the general public. I just seriously doubt that this is the case. | |
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| Re: Ridiculous said by digiphreak:
So by your logic... the penalty for speeding 5 miles over the limit is a fine. Yet everyone continues to speed and it is a "victimless" crime. In order to curb this horrendous pattern of disregard for the law we should arrest, jail, and charge with a felony anyone who drives 5 mph over the limit.
First of all that would not happen, and second as Joe Public I would also agree with you only because I have been caught in that situation AND the very next week the speed limit went up 10mph (the one place in 100+ miles that wasn't a "town"), like they didn't know that was happening and wanted their last hurray.... THAT IS NOT right.
But as much as you or I might not want to admit it.... where speed reduction is required (physically) there IS a very correlated increase in accidents per mph of speed increase... and lets be honest MOST cops let under 10mph over in most areas go.... AGAIN when that is combined with a one spot in many miles also 10mph speed reduction for no real reason (and then in a week changed higher) I do have a problem but I was really going 15mph+ over the speed limit in a congested area.... then yeah I deserve it. (one thing I love cruise control for... in all actually the problem in the above situation)
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kudos:1 | Toledo Tough on Uncappers Toledo Tough on Uncappers ... and the Toledo suburb of Waterville is "tough on coffee creamer stealers...".
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Melmac | Re: Toledo Tough on Uncappers I lived in Waterville... I see people still remember that incident
I for one HATED buckeye express. $60 a month for 600/100 speeds (I believe caps were set at 1000/128) and I can see why these guys thought that uncapping their cable modems was a good idea. However, I don't feel sorry for them being caught, they knew it was wrong and did it anyway. The way that Buckeye sees it is... who in the world is going to have the guts to uncap now? These guys will get off with just a slap on the wrist in the end, but the Toledo area will always remember what happened to them because of what they tried.
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: Toledo Tough on Uncappers I agree that these guys were wrong to do what they did but come on... the FBI? I mean... I think the FBI actually has some real priorities such as fighting terrorism. IMO, even getting the local police involved would be a stretch as well. I don't understand why the suggestion made by a previous poster regarding termination of the service and billing for that is inadequate.
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He was not charged, but the village police chief, Lance Martin, resigned after he was sharply criticized for not getting authorization before setting up the camera surveillance.
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Toledo lawyer George Runner was among those indicted by the grand jury. Mr. Runner, 55, of 4561 Westbourne Ct., Sylvania, resigned as Waterville solicitor in March, 2001, after a covert police surveillance operation videotaped him stealing coffee, creamer, and paper from village supplies.
Ok, so one policeman loses his job because of an illegal observation of Mr. Runner, who not long after gets railroaded for a crime that in most cities is punishable by a simple disconnection?
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: I wonder... said by Karl Bode:
Smell like fish?
Absolutely... this has to be the reason why such force was used... my guess is that they nabbed the other people just to make it look less fishy.
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| | | | Re: I wonder... Maybe we should have the FBI investigate this also. If they are already wasting their time, why not waste more?
The broadband provider is clearly trying to send a message to try and keep other people from uncapping their modems. This should be an interesting case to watch.
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Englewood, CO | The last paragraph of the article - - - “A loaded paper clip was found in Mr. Runner’s possession, as well as a semi-automatic stapler. He denied claims of a Post-it habit, assuring authorities the Liquid Paper therapy was working wonderfully. He further stated he thought bandwidth had something to do with cigars, and had not had sex with that modem. FBI agents, however, seized a pack of BIC pens, stating they were suspected of being used as writing implements.”
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| I guess stealing cable TV is a lesser crime So if i steal cable TV, i pay a fine, and have to turn in my illegal equipement, and pay for stolen services. If i uncap a cablemodem, i get the feds at my door ?
parity ?
What if i do both at the same time ?
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Englewood, CO | Re: I'll sleep easier The ongoing investigation also revealed the suspects had once used a red felt marker to check-off items on a grocery shopping list. They are also the suspected ringleaders of a counterfeit cocktail coaster design ring. “Jaywalking grandmothers are no longer our priority,” stated a police spokesperson. “We can always run those slow biddies over, but bandwidth-thieving coffee drinkers are now our #1 priority.”
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| | | | Re: I'll sleep easier Thank God the FBI caught the Washington sniper the week before this happened, otherwise the FBI would have had to pull agents off that low profile case to figure out what a cable modem is. | |
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ISP's shouldn't get to ignore CATV regulations and bend over customers...then on the other hand cry foul and magically translate CATV regulations to cover data over coax.
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wasting money and law enforcement time to go after people smart enough to figure out how to get full speed?
bandwidth caps are about the most ignorant thing done anyway....what a joke
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bandwidth caps are about the most ignorant thing done anyway....what a joke
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Madison, NJ | Must be the Lawyers & Prosecutors left over from The Winoma 4 Felony, first offence shoplifting case. Which the Prosecutor thinks is so serious that she put off a Murder trail.
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| | | Re: Must be the Lawyers & Prosecutors left over from overcharging? A T1 line costs $600/month or more. Cable modem service costs less than one tenth of that. And they're overcharging? | |
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Madison, NJ | Re: Must be the Lawyers & Prosecutors left over fr Hmm interesting to see your response.
First we don't know what speed of Cable Internet was being provided. I get OOL, but most other systems are major time crippled in comparison. Until we know for sure....
As for the price of a T1.
Well you pay for 3 things with a T1.
One 24/7/365 up service that Cable doesn't give and same speed Up and Down which cable doesn't give.
Plus various amounts of Static IPs which Cable doesn't give.
Apart from that I would also say that these days T1s are rather overpriced for the technology. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Must be the Lawyers & Prosecutors left over fr said by vic102482:
Also you never get constant bandwith you are always sharing with that MP3 trader down the hall.
Not to mention illegal mega guzzlers like this, hogging OTHER peoples allotment.
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Apart from that I would also say that these days T1s are rather overpriced for the technology.
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Southfield, MI | website in on it too? "According to court documents, the computer equipment in Mr. Runner’s home was modified to increase the Internet service as early as Jan. 1."
What does that mean?
And why is the toledo blade listing their names AND HOME ADDRESSES? is this really necessary? Do they expect grandma emailer or QuakeHead to send these guys letters?
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|  panth1The Coyote
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Boca Raton, FL | Re: website in on it too? said by dnoyeB:
"What does that mean?"
It means that he overclocked his computer and it magically changed the bin file in his modem 
I want see the prosecution try to explain this to a jury... lol
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| Re: website in on it too? He HACKED and DESTROYED provate property. This is no different than what any terrorist would do to our great nation.
How is that?;)
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He HACKED and DESTROYED provate property. This is no different than what any terrorist would do to our great nation.
Oh, like Ken Lay and the Rigas family ?
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kudos:5 | whatever Since when does a civil matter such as terms of service become a criminal matter?
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kudos:1 | Re: whatever said by tomkb:
Since when does a civil matter such as terms of service become a criminal matter?
Maybe you should read your TOS a little closer, prosecution is usually an option as well as loss of service.
And who know what these people may have been downloading.
Sometimes it is more economical to make examples especially if multiple things were going on.
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Orlando, FL | easier way there are 2 easier ways to bust these people. both have things to do with upgrading firmware. just update the config file. do that and they cant uncap. that just makes every1 happy, cept the uncappers. | |
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| | ok - now im loosing it omg, this is hilarious. They send an FBI team in for kids playing with cable modems, BUT WHEN I OPEN AN INCIDENT WITH THE FBI NATIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE WHATEVER DIVION TO GET THEM TO ARREST 2 PEOPLE WHO HACKED INTO OUR SERVERS THEY CANT EVEN BE BOTHERED TO LOOKbINTO IT WTF. This isnt a joke, I was transferred to like 5 diff departments until the sent me to the "local field office" who made me goto the nipc (or whatever) web site TO OPEN an "INCIDENT" online (which I did). I had all the server logs, ip's, ISP cooperation, etc. All they had to do was take the info. I provided and call the ISP for the names (the ISP wouldnt release them to me obviously as I am not in Law Enforcment) but the ISP had the info available and were very cooperative. So some dirtbag can hack into my systems, steal data and thats ok WTFWTFWTF Man, this is really getting under my skin like you cant imagine, the uncappers should have been arrested - I'm ok with that. So I guess the lesson is - if you steal bandwith, make sure to steal IP and business data as well so the FBI will just ignore it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GRR WTF | |
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'Your Honor, the State request the maximum penalty for this offense, $500 fine, 6 months probation and no access to computers for 3 months.'
Guess the FBI has better things to do than find the Anthrax Mailer, Al-Queda cells, and the D.C. Sniper. Oh wait, they got the D.C. Sniper, guess they got some extra Agents sitting around.
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kudos:1 | Re: Someone correct me if I'm wrong. said by Lyserjic:
Don't most (sensible) cable system operators have their subscriber bandwidth allocation controlled at the head end? Why would any cable provider rely on a flashed setting in the cable modem to control bandwidth?
Seems like poor planning on the part of the cable company.
Because of the nature or cable system which are essentially large LAN. Each node may be limited but NOT each user, that is in the box... unlike DSL where it is a 1 to 1 connection and the speed it totally controlled by the CO DSLAM.
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Easley, SC | At least in DOCSIS systems, the file generated to control network speeds in the modem itself is usually obtained from an entirely different server at the headend. This server is usually *very* secure and not easily broken into by outsiders. This company is either using their own proprietary system or has very lax security. Since the same thing happened to them months ago, they obviously still haven't learned their lesson.
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Don't most (sensible) cable system operators have their subscriber bandwidth allocation controlled at the head end? Why would any cable provider rely on a flashed setting in the cable modem to control bandwidth?
Seems like poor planning on the part of the cable company.
That is just the way it works. It is up to the modem to do the caping. It depends on the modem brand as to how hard or if it is even possible for someone to uncap it. Another poster thinks that they had to break in to the company's servers to do the uncaping. This is not the case. If the modem can be uncaped you can do it will just the equipment in your home. | |
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they don't even have good building security, they are teamed up with Access toledo who also has very weak net/lan security and building security. I could walk right into the data center. lol. no joke. I could, any joe can. I had temped with a company Called HCR and they have super security building and Lan/WAN/net, its awsome. there is no way anyone with out clearence can get in to any of the equipment. I was giving a tour when I worked there in implementations. I had access to all floors and doors but the data center with all the equipment and servers. it was nice though. over 500 servers =D they used scan cards and they had people posted everywhere and if they didnt know who you where you had to explain who and why you where there. and if you didnt convince them you had to wait while they talk with security. it was nice.
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Those people broke the law and deserve to be punished to the full extent of the law. They knew what they were getting into.
As for the FBI's involvement...when you're dealing with communication laws and such I believe the FBI has to be involved. These are federal issues and have to be taken care of by federal authorities. | |
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Louisville, KY | Uncapping=Bad, FBI=Worse The men and boys broke their TOS, so cut their service. They stole bandwidth, well... what was their plan's speeds? How much extra did they usurp?
Their is a particular dollar amount before theft becomes a felonious offense. That amount, I think, varies from state-to-state. Lets say they took double their allotted amount, and say that is $50/month. Then that means they stole 50/month. Multiply 50 by 6 (As early as Jan 1 until June) and you have $300. Here in Kentucky, again if my memory serves me, the amount has to be above 300 to be felonious.
This doesn't seem to me to be a true FBI deserving cybercrime. No true cracking was committed. Sure, they modified there modems, but did they own them? Hmm. Their increasing of their bandwidth did nothing to endanger/hurt other citizens.
I personally think that their service should have been cut, and the problem handled by the local authorities or in a lawsuit. This is another example of America misplacing its resources. Just backs up the theory that if you want to steal, you need a white-collar upper-management job, so in the end you get nothing but a slap on the wrist, or a vacation at a plush holding center (many are not truly deserving of the word prison.) Just my opinions... | |
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