schmunk
Premium
join:2001-03-03
Defiance, OH |  Look's like were waking up in Russia!
I guest paying for internet is looking more and more like waking up in Russia!!!!! |
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Riplin
join:2002-05-13
canada | The 11th Commandment
11. Thou shalt not Share |
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technick
Premium
join:2000-12-16
Loganville, GA
| Grrrrr.. Sick Communist!
What's next, are they going to charge just to be able to use P2P applications? I think the best route would be to disconnect from this ISP service and find a better ISP service, and watch how fast they change their tune.
It's kinda weak that they don't have the available bandwith to keep everybody on their network happy. |
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rit56
join:2000-12-01
New York, NY | amazing
time to switch ISP's. even if you never use p2p's get rid of this company. they deserve bankruptcy. on your knees and kiss Corporate American ass. boycott this damn company. I pay you money for a service and you provide , you don't dictate to me. |
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jessdub99
join:2002-05-29 | What about gamers?
If they want to complain about the upstream being overloaded then they need to immediately disable all gaming too... hell, why not just get rid of upload completely! I hope cust's of this service cancel it asap. |
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garagerock
Premium
join:2002-06-14
Louisville, KY | while they're at it...
hell, why not restrict EVERYTHING? block all ports, except for 80. that'll stop piracy!
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You're the criminal that never breaks the law. |
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Roundboy
Premium
join:2000-10-04
Drexel Hill, PA | no it won't... we'll just put it on our web servers...
What about an indie musician using p2p to distribute his/her music..
or an indie film company.
Good job buying into the fact that there is *no* legitamite use for p2p apps |
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barky
Premium
join:2001-03-17
San Diego, CA | reply to jessdub99
Re: What about gamers?
games dont upload all that many k's. |
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pokesph
It Is Almost Fast
Premium
join:2001-06-25
Sacramento, CA
clubs:
 ·Comcast
| What, is email next?!?
So what is next step, no sending of emails, or the ability to post on a message board..
Sound like this ISP has way oversold it's resourses and is back peddling.. Get away! Get away fast this company shouldn't even be in business.
I support botcotting it, dropping them, etc. Send them a message: WE by internet connection service to get the whole, complete internet and all it offers! |
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phxmark
What Country Are We Living In?
join:2000-12-27
Glendale, AZ
| reply to garagerock
Re: while they're at it...
said by garagerock  :
hell, why not restrict EVERYTHING? block all ports, except for 80. that'll stop piracy!
No it won't! You still have all ports from 1024 - 65535 to deal with, which are required for outbound connection from your PC to other hosts on the internet. One effective way to slow down file sharing is to use a proxy server and REQUIRE your users to use it. With a proxy server, the ISP can also do some content filtering.
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| reply to jessdub99
Re: What about gamers?
Pulled from Everquestlive.com
quote:
EverQuest Bandwidth Usage Information
This information is intended to help users and their ISPs predict bandwidth usage for EverQuest playtime. In some situations, ISPs might impose bandwidth limitations or may charge for bandwidth when a monthly/weekly threshold has been exceeded.
This information is based on averages and approximations as of October, 2001. It is important to note that there are no bandwidth limitations imposed on EverQuest, and that these numbers may increase without notice. Sony Online Entertainment, Inc. will not be responsible for any bandwidth charges incurred as a result of game play.
Currently, average play bandwidth used is 8Kbits per second, and upload averages 2Kbits per second. That comes out to 1KByte per second download, and 250Bytes per second upload from the client (player) point of view. In one hour of gameplay, a client PC downloads 3.6MB and uploads 900KB.
as you can see games use very minor ammounts of bandwidth.
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[60 Sorcerer]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports |
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NOVA_Guy
Obama- Commander in Thief
Premium
join:2002-03-05
 ·VOIPo
| reply to rit56
Re: amazing
As long as a customer is not substantially hurting the ISP's network (by hacking, using excessive bandwidth by uncapping a modem or using another similar hack), the ISP should not dictate what users can and cannot do. They are providing a service-- just like cell phone companies and local telephone companies do. I can't recall the last time Verizon told me that I could not call someone on my cell phone ("upload data")-- and they won't, so long as the bill gets paid on time. Why should ISPs be any different?
Restricting uploads and/or downloads on the ISP's network in any manner is a form of censorship. If such uploads and downloads are "killing" the ISP's network (via bandwidth consumption), then the ISP should upgrade the network and purchase the necessary bandwidth to the extent possible. Now, if this means modest price increases to users (to cover the cost of such upgrades), then fine. At that point the users are paying for faster connections-- they're getting something extra for the money.
But to create a policy that prohibits all users from sharing files in a P2P network is wrong-- especially when there are so many legitimate uses of these networks.
It seems as though more and more businesses these days have long forgotten the motto "The customer is always right". As long as someone is paying for a connection and not harming the ISP's network, the ISP shouldn't care what they do.
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Live in Northern Virginia? Take a stand and fight for good service-- don't be a Cox Sucker! |
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GlobalMind
Domino Dude, POWER Systems Guy
Premium
join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL
| reply to garagerock
Re: while they're at it...
All this crap brings a lyric to mind....
said by RUSH 2112:
We've taken care of everything
The words you hear the songs you sing
The pictures that give pleasure to your eyes
It's one for all and all for one
We work together common sons
Never need to wonder how or why
We are the Priests of the Temples of Syrinx
Our great computers fill the hallowed halls
We are the Priests of the Temples of Syrinx
All the gifts of life are held within our walls
Look around this world we made
Equality our stock in trade
Come and join the Brotherhood of Man
Oh what a nice contented world
Let the banners be unfurled
Hold the Red Star proudly high in hand
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"We can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust. We can fall from rockets red glare, down to 'Brother can you spare' -- another war -- another waste land -- and another lost generation. . ." |
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rchandra
Stargate S G-1 And Atlantis Fan
Premium
join:2000-11-09
14225-2105
clubs:
| Hello, FreeS/WAN and opportunistic encryption
IPv6 requires support for, but does not necessarily have to use, encryption between networking peers. Until this is adopted, in the mean time we can push for as many FreeS/WAN opportunistic encryption hosts to be put up as possible. What this means is FreeS/WAN intercepts attempts to connect to a remote host, determines if an IPSec connection is possible, and transports your data in the ESP part of IPSec if possible, and falls back to normal IP if not. To me, it's none of the ISP's damn business what is in my packets.
said by PenTelData:
-Serving files via peer-to-peer file-sharing applications encourage – and make it easy – for
users from anywhere around the world to download files from your computer as long as it’s turned on,
even if you aren’t using it, with or without your knowledge. This creates security concerns and
further consumes Internet bandwidth and taxes PenTeleData’s network unnecessarily.
In principle it's none of their damn business whether I drop all communications off the face of the Earth, or give anyone and everyone complete and full access to everything on my network-attached computer. (In practice, since someone could use a completely unprotected computer for relaying (attacks and spam), dropping all security is not practical.) I and I alone am responsible for what I let people access on my computer. Of course, if the AUP to which I agreed does not allow serving, I must act appropriately or I will be in breach of contract, but I've always been opposed to this sort of silliness. "You" are there to provide a pipe to the Internet; "you" shouldn't care how I use it, or else change some other aspect of the service package (as in, if you're worried about use of upstream bandwidth, charge me at a REASONABLY higher rate to cover your additional costs and shut up). Why are you saying it's taxing your network? Might this mean you should upgrade your network? Who are YOU to say it's unnecessary traffic? The only unnecessary traffic I know about is floods of various kinds (ping, SYN, etc.).
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English is a difficult enough language to interpret correctly when its rules are followed, let alone when a writer chooses not to follow those rules. |
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garagerock
Premium
join:2002-06-14
Louisville, KY | reply to Roundboy
Re: while they're at it...
cmon man. i'm being sarcastic... |
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garagerock
Premium
join:2002-06-14
Louisville, KY | reply to phxmark
i was being sarcastic...sorry. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
| Dump Em...
PTD isn't the only ISP in Nowhere, PA. Dump 'em and go with someone else. This should help solve all of PTD's bandwidth problems.
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DRM == Doesn't Read MP3s
[text was edited by author 2002-11-07 11:53:17] |
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pokesph
It Is Almost Fast
Premium
join:2001-06-25
Sacramento, CA
clubs:
·Comcast
| reply to phxmark
Re: while they're at it...
said by phxmark :
said by garagerock :
hell, why not restrict EVERYTHING? block all ports, except for 80. that'll stop piracy!
... One effective way to slow down file sharing is to use a proxy server and REQUIRE your users to use it. With a proxy server, the ISP can also do some content filtering.
If we want content filtering we'd just use AOHell
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tsu9
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL
| reply to NOVA_Guy
Re: amazing
"The customer is always right"
Except when the customer is walking out of the store without paying for, or in possession of, illicit goods. Majority of p2p traffic is indeed such, so I think that blows your argument out of the water.
Legitimate uses? Sure. Realistic daily use? Theft (tantamount, at least.)
While I don't agree that things like this should technically be happening, I do agree that the ISP can and rightfully should limit traffic on their network if such applications consume the large majority of the service. Making the argument that they should 'upgrade/buy more bandwidth' is moot--they're just aiding and abetting at that point.
Fact of the matter is that we're using THEIR networks. Yes, we pay them, but yes, we also agree (when we sign up/use) to follow their rules. Make no mistake, they can and do change rules in their AUP, but running upload streams via those clients is exactly as running a server which is strictly against TOS in most broadband connections.
Justifying it with the 'everyone does it' argument makes it no less wrong.
Now, the ISPs that quietly advertise these clients have admittedly less to say against their use, but they still own the links. Like it or not, they can take their ball and go home if you don't play by their rules.
I really would love to see the statistics of legitimate p2p usage that everyone touts. Loving made-up statistics as much as the next person, I'd say that is likely less than 1% of the actual traffic conducted over them.
Looks, acts, quacks; duck. |
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tsu9
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL | reply to Roundboy
Re: while they're at it...
Great job buying into that the legitimate uses aren't completely overwhelmed by the illegitimate.
=) |
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