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Comments on news posted 2002-11-19 13:28:52: The free wireless movement continues to flourish, with ISP's migrating to distinctly different camps on the issue of preventing users from sharing their broadband connection over the airwaves. ..

russotto

join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA

Free Wireless?

Around here, get yourself a halfway decent card and set your SSID to "linksys" and you'll have pretty good coverage whether intentional or not

pnh102
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Re: Free Wireless?

said by russotto See Profile:
Around here, get yourself a halfway decent card and set your SSID to "linksys" and you'll have pretty good coverage whether intentional or not
LOL maybe I should try that the next time I'm in your neck of the woods. If you're even in West Chester and you want access, go to the local Burger King in town right north of WCU. You will find at least 3-5 open wireless access points.
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vfpguy
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join:2001-07-21
Wayne, NJ

Re: Free Wireless?

Is the BK providing the access? I used to work there years ago when I went to WCU.

DaSneaky1D
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Re: Free Wireless?

I think they meant that you can find some access points around the local BK, while eating a Whopper
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pnh102
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said by vfpguy See Profile:
Is the BK providing the access? I used to work there years ago when I went to WCU.
Not as far as I know (I don't think they would be, but I didn't go in there so I can't be sure), however, if you're in there, you should be able to pick up open WAPs whose signals bleed over into it.
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vfpguy
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join:2001-07-21
Wayne, NJ

Re: Free Wireless?

It's been a few years since I've been back but I don't remember anything around it that I could imagine leaking WiFI signals. Private homes?

Is the AT&T office still across the street?
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pnh102
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Re: Free Wireless?

said by vfpguy See Profile:
It's been a few years since I've been back but I don't remember anything around it that I could imagine leaking WiFI signals. Private homes?

Is the AT&T office still across the street?

Yes... it is mostly private homes near there, but I believe they are student-occupied. And yes the CO is still across the street, although its Verizon now.
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pnh102
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Ironic :)

If you hear the Comcast HSI-sponsored "Internet Tech Reports" on the local Philly news radio station (KYW-1060AM), you will hear them actively encouraging people to install wireless networks. They even tell you places you can buy the stuff.
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GlobalMind
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Re: Ironic :)

ATT had done that via their partnership with Linksys on their website, although they forgot to update their list of "approved" networking hardware with the Linksys gear they sell.

Funny really.

K.

mbernste
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You're not implying that Comcast is endorsing Wi-Fi hotspots, are you? I thought that was against their TOS. I do know that they have that home networking pilot going on in some areas of the country where you get 2500/256 and a Linksys wireless hub and a handful of extra IPs so that you can Internet enable your entire house.
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pnh102
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Re: Ironic :)

said by mbernste See Profile:
You're not implying that Comcast is endorsing Wi-Fi hotspots, are you?
No I'm not, and based on my last read of the TOS, it is against their policy to allow for an open hotspot. However, they are encouraging people to share the connection amongst their own computers within their house using wireless networking.
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indymakr1979

join:2002-02-26
Indianapolis, IN

I would share my wi-fi...but...

...I'm having a problem with the distance my router will put out - I can only move about 12 feet away from the thing and I lose the connection. I have a netgear MR314 router, and a Linksys pcmcia card. Does anyone have any ideas, or is there a good troubleshooting website out there? I don't have any 2.4MHz interference (Like cordless phones, etc) and have placed the router all over my desk, away from other objects, nothing seems to work. Thanks for any help!

Mark

Techie2000
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Re: I would share my wi-fi...but...

May I suggest checking out the Broadband Reports wireless networking forum? We have many nice people who can help you in there...
averagedude

join:2002-01-30
Mesa, AZ
"Linksys pcmcia card"

From what I have read in other posts, pcmcia cards are well known for very short range. May want to experiment with a USB instead of pcmcia.

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Re: I would share my wi-fi...but...

said by averagedude See Profile:
pcmcia cards are well known for very short range.
I can get a usable signal at 900 feet away from my own D-Link 900-AP access point using a Linksys PC Card, provided I have an unobstructed line of site to the WAP. With a Pocket PC (Symbol), I was able to go even further away with obstructions. The only major impediments for me appeared to be live trees and bushes and metal studs in walls.
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[text was edited by author 2002-11-19 20:58:12]

Eat Me

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quote:
From what I have read in other posts, pcmcia cards are well known for very short range. May want to experiment with a USB instead of pcmcia.
I have a linksys PCMCIA card and it works very well, almost as good as my ORiNOCO gold.
russotto

join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA
USB WiFi adaptor = PCMCIA WiFi adaptor in USB support box. Really, open one up and check.

pnh102
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Re: I would share my wi-fi...but...

said by russotto See Profile:
USB WiFi adaptor = PCMCIA WiFi adaptor in USB support box.
We opened up an Intermec Wireless Access Point at work... and found exactly the same thing, a PC Card Wireless Card.
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Techie2000
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Haven't heard anything from SBC

Speakeasy.net seems to be one of the best ISPs out there from what I've heard. Although I personally love and use SBC DSL. I haven't heard anything from them on their stance on such things. Although from past generally they don't care what you do (as far as sharing, P2P, and setting up servers) as long as you aren't maxing out your bandwidth 24/7.
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dsavlin
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Chicago, IL
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Re: Haven't heard anything from SBC

I switched to Speakeasy recently because their ToS states that, as long as you are not impairing their network with heavy load, "they're your bits, do what you want with them" (paraphrased from memory). Not only did I switch, but I bumped up my service, from 768/128 to 1.5/384, because my immediate neighbors are tapping in and chip in to offset the cost. It's a great deal for them, because they gain access to a fast connection without the huge expense. It's a great deal for me, because I get a better connection and still get to (sometimes) offset my cost. It's a great deal for Speakeasy because they have a higher-margin customer with a "deluxe" subscription.

The only thing that worries me is the liability. For that reason I made my neighbors sign a note that says, simply, they are not required to contribute anything in return for the service, and as such, I hold no liability if they lose that access, or are hurt by that access (eg. hacked), whether intentional or not.

I don't run an open network though. It's as secure as existing WLAN equipment can make it. So someone with AirSnort and spoofing experience could hack my network but the casual neighbor with typical (eg. no) computer knowledge isn't getting a free ride.
averagedude

join:2002-01-30
Mesa, AZ

Re: Haven't heard anything from SBC

I wish you were my neighbor!
simijs

join:2002-10-27
Yuma, AZ

I have SBC with Wireless

SBC here in CA is marketing the 2wire homeportal
wireless connection. I've had it for about a week
now and love it. I'm not sharing with my nighbors
yet, But I get a signal down the street on my laptop.

Power to the people with Wi-Fi.

elias
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join:2000-07-24
Miami, FL
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[DSLi] We're Wiresless-Friendly =)

We've always been open to our customers' needs and wants, and what's current.

We don't mind customers using routers and wireless routers/accesspoints.

-- Elias

Sedated3
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Re: [DSLi] We're Wiresless-Friendly =)

said by elias See Profile:
We've always been open to our customers' needs and wants, and what's current.

We don't mind customers using routers and wireless routers/accesspoints.

-- Elias
Excellent. Keep the attitude, listen to the people and you'll surely gain a few customers in this densely populated area of NYC.

A word or two to that effect (indirectly or directly addressing wifi/hotspots) on DSLi.com would go a long way for potential shoppers. News around here spreads quickly.

Elias may I also suggest if you're sincere about your commitment to wireless maybe a word or two in the NYC Wireless.NET Mailing lists or in chat would gain some prospects.

»www.nycwireless.net/wireless_mai···ist.html

Good luck to DSLi! I wish more ISPs were this way.
-Sed
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technohippie

join:2002-11-01
San Francisco, CA

Connection Sharing Site

For those of you who are trying to share access with your neighbors, check this site out. »www.cityshare.net.

It's a searchable database of people who are trying to share access.

Quantex$
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join:2002-11-01
U.S.A.

Why care?

Why do the ISPs care?

Suppose I get a T1, 10 megabits up and down, for suppose $1000 a month(I don't know T1 pricing). I share it with 20 people, and they all pay me. The ISP is still getting their $1000 a month so what are they complaining for? They'll still be getting all the money they were getting before.
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sherpaboy

join:2001-07-06
Seattle, WA

Re: Why care?

Right on the mark!

Smart ISP's don't care, matter of fact, they encourage it. The ones who are whining, are the ones who were stupid enough to offer *unlimited* for $59.95. There is no way to pay for the bandwidth at those prices.

While a T1 only runs at about 1.5 megabits, $1000.00 a month is right on the mark.

I think that is the only way Wi-Fi is gonna fly. What cracks me up, is that there are... er... uh... I mean were so many ISP's offering cheap unlimited bandwidth without a thought about who is gonna pay for it. It is equally funny how many people think that wireless will be free. Somebody has got to pay for it.

A good ISP would be happy to have you as a client because it appears that you have a clue what's going on.


statecop
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join:2002-09-16
Beverly Hills, CA


my two cents

Long Live Open Source,

I dont think they should have a problem with this because this is basically what cable companies do already....They are just shooting you bandwidth over the cable and you are sending it over the air with wi-fi. Where some of the companies are having the problem is the have some hot spots sucking Mucho bandwidth and taking away from others. Satelite providers have a Fair use limit where they cut you back when you hit a certain amount in a time period. I had this happen to me a few times and it sucks! I hope that doesnt catch on with some of the other providers. For the most part I dont think this movement, while a good idea, will make it to be much more than surfing a little over dailup speed because of what will be pending limitations by ISPs and hardware limitations of some of the routers.

The other major problem will be the one bad apple syndrone.......Which will basically be one moron start pumping spam through the host, which will look like its coming from the poor guy that is giving service to everyone. Thus he will most likely get disconnected for spamming because even though it come from the network it will be marked with his IP which the owner is responsible.

Just a few thoughts on the subject.....I wish we lived in the perfect world where this would work but we DO NOT.
[text was edited by author 2002-12-01 00:29:18]

SharJeep
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Willingboro, NJ
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Re: my two cents

said by statecop See Profile:
Long Live Open Source,
The other major problem will be the one bad apple syndrone.......Which will basically be one moron start pumping spam through the host, which will look like its coming from the poor guy that is giving service to everyone.
Or maybe something far worse then spam. My access point isn't always on, but for a long time, when it was on, I left it open. That is, until I read a news thing about the FBI(?) tracing some bas***d's IP and busting him for kiddy porn. Started me thinking that if some slimeball in my area was using MY connection for that type of activity, guess where the trace would lead? WiFi at my house is now locked down.

RICK JAMES

join:2002-11-29
Buffalo, NY

Re: my two cents

WHAT DO YOU NEED TO GET AN FREE WI FI WIRELESS CONNECETION?
HELP ME OUT SOME
[text was edited by author 2002-12-12 14:27:19]
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