Count Hogula$
Notorious Dog
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join:2002-06-19
Corona, CA
| Why bother
Do we actually think for a moment that US telcos will adopt anything decent? Please...if it's not a patented US currency printing press or a customer cornholing machine...they won't be interested.
And even better...
"For example, on longer phone lines, ADSL2 will provide a data rate increase of 50 kbps—a significant increase. This data rate increase also produces an increase in reach of about 600 feet, which translates to an increase in coverage area of about six percent, or 2.5 square miles."
Wooohooo...a whopping 50kbps, 600 feet...WOW...totally worthless! In about a zillion years they'll have enough range to reach me at 60,000ft from the nearest CO. Hell, telcos can even measure their copper runs accurate to 600ft. I'm serviced at my office at an actual copper length of 19,200ft...while Verizon originally estimated under 15,000ft.
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clevere1
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join:2002-01-06
Vancouver, WA | Wow!
It's good for a total of 8,000 feet! Instead of screwing around with short length technologies, why don't they develope something that has far better range .. like 15-30 miles from the telco ... |
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Count Hogula$
Notorious Dog
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join:2002-06-19
Corona, CA
| said by clevere1  :
It's good for a total of 8,000 feet! Instead of screwing around with short length technologies, why don't they develope something that has far better range .. like 15-30 miles from the telco ...
And it's not even 8000ft from the CO (about 1-1/2 miles)...it's 8,000ft of copper which in real distance is MUCH shorter. What a complete waste of time. It ranks up there with DOCSYS2 when DOCSYS one supports multimegabit speeds with zero problems.
There is no point in offering 20Mb technologies when NO providers will provide to the limits of current technologies.
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AthlGrond
Premium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO
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| reply to clevere1
said by clevere1 :
It's good for a total of 8,000 feet! Instead of screwing around with short length technologies, why don't they develope something that has far better range .. like 15-30 miles from the telco ...
Thats ADSL2+ (not to be approved until '03) ADSL2 has an increase in service area! Yep a whopping 6% in distance (600 FT)!!! Whooh, I'm giddy, I'd better sit down...
Let's just say that if you didn't get DSL before, you don't get it now either. Yep 15-30 miles would be great, but we are talking about phone lines right?
On the bright side the diagnostic stuff sounds like a godsend to DSL providers. |
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AthlGrond
Premium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO
·Comcast
| reply to Count Hogula$
said by Count Hogula$ :
There is no point in offering 20Mb technologies when NO providers will provide to the limits of current technologies.
Yep, want to know how the "new technology" is going to impact you? Just look at how the last "new technology" was implemented.
The real problem is that the guys in charge have so very little motivating them to implement new and better things... |
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Count Hogula$
Notorious Dog
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Corona, CA
| reply to AthlGrond
said by AthlGrond :
On the bright side the diagnostic stuff sounds like a godsend to DSL providers.
Yeah...now they can provide crappy service much more efficiently 
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AthlGrond
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join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO
·Comcast
| said by Count Hogula$ :
Yeah...now they can provide crappy service much more efficiently
Glad I didn't have to explain that! 
and if at some point in time the market suddenly has competition then we can have lower prices to go with the increase in efficiency! |
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guhuna
R.I.P Mike
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join:2001-03-31
Brentwood, CA | reply to Count Hogula$
to you it might be crappy but to others its all they can get, and the cable co's dont look like they are doing any better.
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Count Hogula$
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Corona, CA
| said by guhuna :
to you it might be crappy but to others its all they can get, and the cable co's dont look like they are doing any better.
The lack of choice doesn't make it less crappy.
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53059959
Temp banned from BBR more then anyone
join:2002-10-02
PwnZone
| i think right now..
you can get it in like a few parts of san francisco, and pheonix? for vdsl at least. on the webpage, you can get 2mbps service (up to 5000ft away) or the fast one, i forget something like 5 or 10mbps but i remember the distance: 2500ft from CO. what they need to do is expand the distance of these technologies rather then the speed. the speed has always existed. we all know that twised pair is capable of 38mbps asynchronous. there are ways dsl can be expanded but its very expensive. i was reading in a book that it is possible to be able to get dsl as easily as 56k, but the telco companies have to buy costly equiptment and lots of it. 56k analog signals can be boosted to handle long distances. digital ones cannot. at least with the current technology. i say fiber up every house in america. |
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TheDarkElf
Thehappyelf
join:2001-02-12
Mclean, VA
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Re: Why bother
i agree, i want DSL. but 600 feet aint gonna cut it to get as far as i am. *Worthless technology alert* |
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Sealink
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join:2002-08-09
U.S. | New Modems?
I wonder if ADSL2 will use existing modems or require new ones? |
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panth1
The Coyote
join:2000-12-11
Boca Raton, FL
| What about the wire
The problem is that ILEC's are still using 50 year old copper pairs that are 26 gauge and practically kill the dsl signal. When they do decide to replace the lines, it usually ends up being fiber to a DLC and then oops.. we ran out of money for a remote dslam.
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ | reply to 53059959
Re: i think right now..
the best you can get in phoenix is 1mbps and that is pretty much useless due to the amount of ports they filter. *yawn*.
on the upside, vdsl customers have had success getting qwest to turn interleaving off on their vdsl. |
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zoom314
Superman
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join:2001-04-30
Yermo, CA
| reply to TheDarkElf
Re: Why bother
said by TheDarkElf :
i agree, i want DSL. but 600 feet aint gonna cut it to get as far as i am. *Worthless technology alert*
Yeah, 600 feet is Totally Worthless at 26,600 feet versus 16,000 feet Verizon (ex-GTE) maximum or 10,600 feet to go before I could get ADSL, Which is about how far My CO is from where I live. The Best I can do is Charter Pipeline, But I'm on a New Network that has very few problems and was recently completed where I live (in My part of town at least). So I'll stay with Charter, ISDN is available via Verizon, And ISDN is costly Internet Access with Verizon (ex-GTE) and is not much better than Dialup too.
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | reply to clevere1
Re: Wow!
I'm about 7000 feet of copper from the exchange... Maybe it'll work for me. |
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Omega
Displaced Ohioan
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join:2002-07-30
Cheyenne, WY
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| reply to panth1
Re: What about the wire
The phone lines have to replace the wire. I know in the country, people on dial-up are lucky if they can get 24kbps. When I went to Nedbraska 2 years ago, the hotel has a computer/56K modem, I connected at 28,000bps, when I got home my 56K flet like broadband (for a while, then it sucked again).
At least ADSL2 is a minor (and i mean minor) improvement, I would not mind getting an extra 50kbps. Soon (maybe in a century) everyone will have 10mbps+ LAN in all there houses, and we will be bitching about how we can only get 5 megabytes/seconds. |
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Dragasoni
We're All Mad Here
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join:2001-12-14
Rotonda West, FL
| Kinda off subject but...
Why can I only get Verizon DSL?? Covad is not available, so I'd have to suffer with a useless 128 kbps upload. I really miss my 768 kbps upload I used to have on cable. I really wish I could get the 1500/768 kbps DSL package, but I can't. If I want 768 kbps upload from any provider available to me, the prices are ridiculous. I did have 4000/768 for $84.95 a month, but then RR cut my speed to 2000/384 but still charged the same $84.95 a month.
I know a guy who works from Verizon in Tuxedo, NY. He claims, they are taking out DSL lines faster than they are putting them in. Why you might ask? Because Tuxedo, NY is served by Optimum Online! Why get 768/128 for 49 a month, when you can get 10000/1000 for 40? Again, I don't need those speeds, but how about a fair price on a 768 kbps upload somewhere?
Did Verizon ever think if they tried to compete with cable that they might actually sell some DSL lines? Seriously, some of these DSL prices are insane. Tampa Bay DSL is a rip off, for example. Their 1500/384 kbps service is 100 bucks a month! Have a look: »www.tampabaydsl.com/Res_DSL.htm
Are they worried about not being able to rip off T1 customers anymore? Yes, they must be. So now they figure out how to make useless 768/128 kbps DSL reach 600 feet further. Am I supposed to be impressed? I'm not and I think it is pointless. We need more competition in the broadband industry. Cause I'm starting to think both cable and DSL suck...
-Dragasoni-
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ddavtian
join:2000-08-19
San Jose, CA |  FIBER!
They should invest research and money in fiber, I mean that's where we're headed anyway, so why toy with anything in the middle if we're going to end up with fiber at the end of anyway.
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