| Why bother Do we actually think for a moment that US telcos will adopt anything decent? Please...if it's not a patented US currency printing press or a customer cornholing machine...they won't be interested.
And even better...
"For example, on longer phone lines, ADSL2 will provide a data rate increase of 50 kbps—a significant increase. This data rate increase also produces an increase in reach of about 600 feet, which translates to an increase in coverage area of about six percent, or 2.5 square miles."
Wooohooo...a whopping 50kbps, 600 feet...WOW...totally worthless! In about a zillion years they'll have enough range to reach me at 60,000ft from the nearest CO. Hell, telcos can even measure their copper runs accurate to 600ft. I'm serviced at my office at an actual copper length of 19,200ft...while Verizon originally estimated under 15,000ft.
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 | | | Re: Why bother i agree, i want DSL. but 600 feet aint gonna cut it to get as far as i am. *Worthless technology alert* | |
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Yermo, CA | Re: Why bother said by TheDarkElf:
i agree, i want DSL. but 600 feet aint gonna cut it to get as far as i am. *Worthless technology alert*
Yeah, 600 feet is Totally Worthless at 26,600 feet versus 16,000 feet Verizon (ex-GTE) maximum or 10,600 feet to go before I could get ADSL, Which is about how far My CO is from where I live. The Best I can do is Charter Pipeline, But I'm on a New Network that has very few problems and was recently completed where I live (in My part of town at least). So I'll stay with Charter, ISDN is available via Verizon, And ISDN is costly Internet Access with Verizon (ex-GTE) and is not much better than Dialup too.
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dang.
I'm 800 feet away from the second closest switching station, and since Qwest won't upgrade mine (apparently because they're broke, or something), so I need to get DSL from the further station (meaning only IDSL is available). If they could boost it another 200 feet or so, this would be great technology! Ah, well, guess I'm stuck with AT&T broadband for a while longer. | |
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| | | | | | It might be good enough. QWEST told me for years that I was too far away to get DSL. One company even tried installing it on QWEST's equipment.
QWEST still thinks I can't get it. But I went to Earthlink and they installed it anyway. As long as I have something that looks like DSL, acts like DSL, and is called DSL by Earthlink, it doesn't matter what QWEST thinks. | |
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| | | | |  bear73Metnav... Fly The Unfriendly SkiesPremium
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| | | | A technology that I've started seeing is IDSL, using ISDN technology to get the DSL signal out way past the 18kft mark.
Cisco has the hardware and its started to be sold by TDS is some markets. I haven't seen the training info on it yet, but its much more promising than an extra 600 feet - why even bother reporting 600 extra feet? | |
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| | | | | Re: Why bother Are you talking about something new or the same old IDSL that's only 144Kbps/144Kbps? | |
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| | | | | | Re: Why bother no, it's ADSL, so it's much faster than IDSL. Typical speeds I've seen offered are 784/384 and 640/128, depending on area and provider. It doesn't appear there's going to be much of a speed improvement, though. | |
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Davis, CA | Wait for an RT (Remote Terminal). TelCos run fiber from the CO to a remote location to make DSL avail. to customers outside of the normal distance area. | |
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Santa Clara, CA | Why bother for ADSL2 at all - It still will be 768Kbps down and 128Kbps up for $50 a month - if you can get it.
Now if the ILEC offering 10Mbps down for $12 to $15 a month | |
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| | | Dude. When you bash "shitty american DSL", always remember about other countries. Japan, for example, with its overpriced and non-existent coverage. Hell, Nome, Alaska probably has better broadband than majority of japs.
Entire country is stuck on 64k ISDN hahahaha, in 2003. | |
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| | | | Re: Why bother Dude, I live in Tokyo and I got 12MBit/s ADSL for about $25/month. So. | |
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12MBps ADSL has been available here in Japan for a while now for the price of roughly $20US/month. For $60US, you could even get FTTH (Fiber to the Home) - 100Mbps (although in practice, you only get about 40Mbps, but symmetrically). Nowadays, only the rural areas of Japan aren't covered by broadband. Perhaps you should pay attention to current events since you happen to live there (based on your domain). | |
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| | | | My father lives in southern Mexico and has DSL at 256/128. It's a town that is smaller than many US cities that don't have DSL yet. | |
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Dude. When you bash "shitty american DSL", always remember about other countries. Japan, for example, with its overpriced and non-existent coverage. Hell, Nome, Alaska probably has better broadband than majority of japs.
Entire country is stuck on 64k ISDN hahahaha, in 2003.
Nice fiction guy. Other people from those countries report differently.
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| | | | | Re: Why bother maybe he should have said UK and not Japan...where we have only just started having a 'reasonable' coverage with 0.5 mb ADSL! | |
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| | | | I'm an American which has experienced both U.S. and Norway. I had great cable modem access in Clearwater, FL.. well until the network saturated and my original 300K bytes/sec downloads rarely ever were seen. Instead I came to expect maybe 30K bytes/sec.
Here in Norway, although deployment is a bit slow in some areas, government regulations require 98% or better coverage on all technologies from the Telco. This means that even though at the moment only 50% (estimated by me) can get up to 1024/256, within 2 years, 98% of the country will be able to get at least that much.
I personally receive 1024/512 for approximately $60 monthly which is about the same as $48/month + norwegian taxes.
Remember, this is Norway a fairly large country (california sized and mountainous) with a spread out small population (4.5 million). If they can do it, it's terribly pathetic that it isn't being done in the U.S.. | |
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| Re: Why bother In Norway (and several other countries), it's about getting technology to the people that want it.
In the US, it's ENTIRELY about fighting over who'll make the money and the people be damned. | |
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| Re: Why bother "In the US, it's ENTIRELY about fighting over who'll make the money and the people be damned."
You forgot to mention about the cable & telcos giving us big marketing hand jobs all the while to make us feel like we're getting the best deal in the world. If at least one carrier got a damn clue and put at least half of what they spend on marketing into REAL customer service, equipment, and a more than half-assed attempt at building a network then I bet they'd do quite well for themselves. But that's what common sense would dictate. All those genius telco execs with their MBAs and that business-speak alien language will tell you otherwise. Swell. | |
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| Re: Why bother Excellent point Chug;
It is amazing how ATTB advertises on major network outlets here in LA when they have very little service area here...and even less service area serving ATTBi. You would think they would just do direct mail and call it done...directly targeting the homes that they can service. Telling me about all these great services like Telephony while not offering it doesn't do much good. And really...what's the point. It's like our local electric company...Edison International. They even have Anaheim Angels Stadium named after them (Edison Field of Anaheim). All the while you ask...why does an electricity monopoly need to advertise...it's not like we have a choice.
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| | | | Yeah, Nome does.
It's got a COM21 based Cable-modem system.. Highest speeds are 1024K.
The disadvantage is that Internet traffic is delivered via Satellite, so latency is horrible. Gaming is impossible. Web surfing is fine, though. | |
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| | | Well also consider that the distance from the CO to the house can usually be tested... they usually test by measuring the load on the line. The more things you have plugged into the line (phones, fax, pc, callerID, etc.) all make the load more. Actually having a DSL modem as the only thing hooked to a given phone line will add about 9,000feet worth of "load" if someone were to check it from the CO. Most regular phones add about 1k-4kfeet of "load" to a line.
So unless they come out to the house and disconnect your phone line from the grey box (NID) and hook up the equipment there, it's very possible that it could be inaccurate by a few thousand feet. | |
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|  DrTCPYours trulyPremium,ExMod 1999-04
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Round Rock, TX | said by Count Hogula$:
Do we actually think for a moment that US telcos will adopt anything decent? Please...if it's not a patented US currency printing press or a customer cornholing machine...they won't be interested.
They will be interested.
Yes, in terms of extra coverage and bandwidth the new standard will be just a refinement but increased remote diagnostic capabilities and better handling of noise will reduce deployment (truck roll) and support costs. Some customers at the edge of the their loops will be able to get somewhat more stable connections.
Besides new chipsets will be ADSL2 anyways so they will get it like it or not.
Oh, many of the features of this technology is US patented (coming from Aware Inc »www.aware.com ) Plus it will be a standard under ISO which USA is a member of. | |
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said by Count Hogula$:
Do we actually think for a moment that US telcos will adopt anything decent? Please...if it's not a patented US currency printing press or a customer cornholing machine...they won't be interested.
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Vancouver, WA
kudos:1 | Wow! It's good for a total of 8,000 feet! Instead of screwing around with short length technologies, why don't they develope something that has far better range .. like 15-30 miles from the telco ... | |
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It's good for a total of 8,000 feet! Instead of screwing around with short length technologies, why don't they develope something that has far better range .. like 15-30 miles from the telco ...
And it's not even 8000ft from the CO (about 1-1/2 miles)...it's 8,000ft of copper which in real distance is MUCH shorter. What a complete waste of time. It ranks up there with DOCSYS2 when DOCSYS one supports multimegabit speeds with zero problems.
There is no point in offering 20Mb technologies when NO providers will provide to the limits of current technologies.
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| |  AthlGrondPremium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO
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| Re: Wow! said by Count Hogula$:
There is no point in offering 20Mb technologies when NO providers will provide to the limits of current technologies.
Yep, want to know how the "new technology" is going to impact you? Just look at how the last "new technology" was implemented.
The real problem is that the guys in charge have so very little motivating them to implement new and better things... | |
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| | | | Actually, in Europe (or specifically The Netherlands) several ISPs
offer a '2-8mbit' ADSL deal, with 2mbit guaranteed on the copper
and up to 8 if you're close enough. So they are indeed providing to the
limits of current technologies. | |
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| | Eek2121Lovin Verizon FIOS
join:2002-10-12
Newton, NJ Reviews:
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And it's not even 8000ft from the CO (about 1-1/2 miles)...it's 8,000ft of copper which in real distance is MUCH shorter. What a complete waste of time. It ranks up there with DOCSYS2 when DOCSYS one supports multimegabit speeds with zero problems.
There is no point in offering 20Mb technologies when NO providers will provide to the limits of current technologies.
Umm, last time I checked, DOCSIS speed caps mentioned were the total speeds for the node, NOT per connection, so DOCSIS2 WOULD help, ALOT. | |
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| | | | | Re: Wow! Actually the large improvement is for symmetrical applications (mainly for business apps like video conferencing). It just provides more stable downstream while providing faster upstream.
But unless providers change their MO and actually bother investing in new technologies...the whole point is moot. They aren't using docsis 1.1 to it's potential...so there is no point in moving to 2.0.
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Labrador | Node speeds are scalable. ISP's _want_ you to think otherwise.
The less speed they can give per person, means just more people they can stuff on a node. Since the piece of coax per node is shared, there isnt any possible way they can provide the full 45000/10500 speeds to each user. Coax can only handle so much bandwidth. The shared nodes is the bottleneck. Only way they can provide fast service is to unshare the system, and make it dedicated, thus having a mini node for each subscriber at each persons household cable drop, fed by fibre or ethernet.
This would cost many millions.
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| AthlGrondPremium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO Reviews:
·Comcast
| said by clevere1:
It's good for a total of 8,000 feet! Instead of screwing around with short length technologies, why don't they develope something that has far better range .. like 15-30 miles from the telco ...
Thats ADSL2+ (not to be approved until '03) ADSL2 has an increase in service area! Yep a whopping 6% in distance (600 FT)!!! Whooh, I'm giddy, I'd better sit down...
Let's just say that if you didn't get DSL before, you don't get it now either. Yep 15-30 miles would be great, but we are talking about phone lines right?
On the bright side the diagnostic stuff sounds like a godsend to DSL providers. | |
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| | | | Re: Wow! said by AthlGrond:
On the bright side the diagnostic stuff sounds like a godsend to DSL providers.
Yeah...now they can provide crappy service much more efficiently 
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| | |  guhunaR.I.P MikePremium
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Antioch, CA | to you it might be crappy but to others its all they can get, and the cable co's dont look like they are doing any better.
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| | | | | | Re: Wow! said by guhuna:
to you it might be crappy but to others its all they can get, and the cable co's dont look like they are doing any better.
The lack of choice doesn't make it less crappy.
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| | | I'm about 7000 feet of copper from the exchange... Maybe it'll work for me. | |
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| | | | | Re: Wow! My office is at 19,200ft with VerizonDSL and according to the local provisioning manager I'm getting consistent syncs of 608/128 and typical real speeds in the low 500's down and 128-140's up.
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| | | ...why don't they...
Simple answer: money.
There are already plenty of broadband technologies that will do 20,000 miles. They are just hugely expensive. You want 45 Mbps to your house, you have several choices, all very expensive.
The whole point of ADSL is to see how much bandwidth you can squeeze out of the POTS copper pair that is already in place, which saves the cost of stringing new media from point A to point B. | |
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PwnZone | i think right now.. you can get it in like a few parts of san francisco, and pheonix? for vdsl at least. on the webpage, you can get 2mbps service (up to 5000ft away) or the fast one, i forget something like 5 or 10mbps but i remember the distance: 2500ft from CO. what they need to do is expand the distance of these technologies rather then the speed. the speed has always existed. we all know that twised pair is capable of 38mbps asynchronous. there are ways dsl can be expanded but its very expensive. i was reading in a book that it is possible to be able to get dsl as easily as 56k, but the telco companies have to buy costly equiptment and lots of it. 56k analog signals can be boosted to handle long distances. digital ones cannot. at least with the current technology. i say fiber up every house in america. | |
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|  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
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kudos:4 | Re: i think right now.. the best you can get in phoenix is 1mbps and that is pretty much useless due to the amount of ports they filter. *yawn*.
on the upside, vdsl customers have had success getting qwest to turn interleaving off on their vdsl. | |
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join:2000-12-11
Boca Raton, FL | What about the wire The problem is that ILEC's are still using 50 year old copper pairs that are 26 gauge and practically kill the dsl signal. When they do decide to replace the lines, it usually ends up being fiber to a DLC and then oops.. we ran out of money for a remote dslam.
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|  OmegaDisplaced OhioanPremium
join:2002-07-30
Cheyenne, WY | Re: What about the wire The phone lines have to replace the wire. I know in the country, people on dial-up are lucky if they can get 24kbps. When I went to Nedbraska 2 years ago, the hotel has a computer/56K modem, I connected at 28,000bps, when I got home my 56K flet like broadband (for a while, then it sucked again).
At least ADSL2 is a minor (and i mean minor) improvement, I would not mind getting an extra 50kbps. Soon (maybe in a century) everyone will have 10mbps+ LAN in all there houses, and we will be bitching about how we can only get 5 megabytes/seconds. | |
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| | | | Re: What about the wire I wouldn't bitch about 5 megaBYTES/second on a 10megaBITps LAN. I'd be filing a patent. | |
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| | | OmegaDisplaced OhioanPremium
join:2002-07-30
Cheyenne, WY | Re: What about the wire opps, typo on my part. But you know what I mean. | |
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join:2001-12-14
Palm Bay, FL
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| Kinda off subject but... Why can I only get Verizon DSL?? Covad is not available, so I'd have to suffer with a useless 128 kbps upload. I really miss my 768 kbps upload I used to have on cable. I really wish I could get the 1500/768 kbps DSL package, but I can't. If I want 768 kbps upload from any provider available to me, the prices are ridiculous. I did have 4000/768 for $84.95 a month, but then RR cut my speed to 2000/384 but still charged the same $84.95 a month.
I know a guy who works from Verizon in Tuxedo, NY. He claims, they are taking out DSL lines faster than they are putting them in. Why you might ask? Because Tuxedo, NY is served by Optimum Online! Why get 768/128 for 49 a month, when you can get 10000/1000 for 40? Again, I don't need those speeds, but how about a fair price on a 768 kbps upload somewhere?
Did Verizon ever think if they tried to compete with cable that they might actually sell some DSL lines? Seriously, some of these DSL prices are insane. Tampa Bay DSL is a rip off, for example. Their 1500/384 kbps service is 100 bucks a month! Have a look: »www.tampabaydsl.com/Res_DSL.htm
Are they worried about not being able to rip off T1 customers anymore? Yes, they must be. So now they figure out how to make useless 768/128 kbps DSL reach 600 feet further. Am I supposed to be impressed? I'm not and I think it is pointless. We need more competition in the broadband industry. Cause I'm starting to think both cable and DSL suck...
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| I would get that 1500/768, but I can't. Verizon DSL or nothing for me. I hate that, and I will not settle for a useless 128 kbps upload cap.
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| | | Hah, did any of you actually investigate the cost of putting down fiber in those quantities? 
Denmark has about 90-95% coverage with about 50% covered by 2048/512 ADSL. | |
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| | | Don't praise FTTH too much. Our community has it. It's capped like nothin else and VPN is blocked. It's sad, people that have FTTH want to get wireless internet access here.
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| | DrTCPYours trulyPremium,ExMod 1999-04
join:1999-11-09
Round Rock, TX | Re: FIBER! said by Dirk Daring:
Don't praise FTTH too much. Our community has it. It's capped like nothin else and VPN is blocked. It's sad, people that have FTTH want to get wireless internet access here.
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Well, unfortunately service practice of the provider make a whole difference on the user experience. I hope we do not see such providers often. | |
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FIBER!
They should invest research and money in fiber, I mean that's where we're headed anyway, so why toy with anything in the middle if we're going to end up with fiber at the end of anyway.
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| | DSL vs Cable for business Umm, yes but for businesses where the choice is RR or DSL the choice is a no brainer. You go DSL. Why? Cause RR wants to charge 20 PER connection. No router use unless you pay 20 for each person connecting. It makes no difference to them that you get NO EXTRA bandwidth for each 20$ and it also makes no difference that they allow extra connections via router on home subscribers. Hell, in Syracuse, they refuse to have 2 modems in one house and TELL you that you MUST buy a router. Try telling this to the RR business class people and they'll tell you that it is incorrect and that you are supposed to be paying per connect. Dumb, no matter how many connections I have I still only get 2Mb/down so where's the friggin harm, it's not like extra bandwidth is taken. | |
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|  rchandraStargate Universe fanPremium
join:2000-11-09
14225-2105 | Re: DSL vs Cable for business That's relatively simple to grasp, actually. Marketers and salescritters are running the show, not engineers (or if there are engineers running it, they're not very bright). But alas, if engineers could (consistently *) run businesses, it would make a lot more sense.
* What I mean is it's rare that a competent engineer would also be a good high-level manager. You don't see too many engineers that also run the company.
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| | You guys over look this? "Bonded DSL lines are the key to offering fractional T-1 services, or even connections that range between a T-1 and a T-2," Benini said. "ADSL2 offers flexible data rates that carriers can build new offerings around. Through bonding, carriers can increase the data throughput on an ADSL channel to as high as 40 Mbps."
So they will offer for say twice the price twice the speed? Where do I sign up? | |
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join:1999-07-13
Miami, FL | band-aid technology I've felt that the telcos and research firms should be concentrating more on FTTH technologies rather than eking out the last bit on a century-old infrastructure. I remember in 1992 how a Popular Science article estimated that the state of New Jersey was supposed to have almost every home serviced by fiber by 2006...yeah right. | |
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| | Future is in the local community stuff The future for getting broadband will be community-oriented systems.
Myself and a small team set up wireless to 95% of the houses in my development. 2 T1's provide backbone connectivity and they never run more than 70% saturation. Oh, and we're making $2800/mo in profit at $30/mo for service. | |
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| | | Re: Future is in the local community stuff I think your lucky no real bandwidth hogs. A couple bad customers could eat you up. | |
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| | Wireless eats from behind The real question in my mind:
How long until wireless makes these 'keep copper alive advances' moot?
After all, why maintain copper when you don't have to? | |
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| | | Re: Wireless eats from behind
I mean, sure DSS is great TV on a clear day... but it turns to crap on a snowy or heavy rain day.
But I guess it's got to be better than cable. | |
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| DrTCPYours trulyPremium,ExMod 1999-04
join:1999-11-09
Round Rock, TX | said by immovable_object:
The real question in my mind:
How long until wireless makes these 'keep copper alive advances' moot?
After all, why maintain copper when you don't have to?
Wireless is a good thing but there is simply not enough wireless frequency spectrum available. | |
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| | | Re: God u guys are lucky..... Here in Slovenia we can get ADSL via ISDN for 59 US $ per month - 4096 kbps down, 512 kbps up, unlimited traffic, static IP. If you are a student, you get a 10$ discount. | |
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| | | | Re: God u guys are lucky..... Here in Sweden I get 2.5MBit down and 768kbit up for $45 a month with static IP and unlimited traffic.
There are others cheaper too but lower speeds though.
If you want VDSL you can get that too in some cities and 8MBit both ways costs $120/month. | |
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| | | With cox@home in America, they are charging me $45/month, for 500k down, and I'm lucky if I can upload at 10k/s. If I upload at anything over 6k/s, then it feels like I'm browsing the net on a 9600 baud modem. The damn corporate bastards keep lowering the caps every month. Pretty soon it will be like using 9600 baud modem all the time and they will still raise the price..... | |
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| | ugh..stop moaning! :) I'm paying around $220 a month for adsl in Ireland...just thought I'd share my pain | |
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| | Just be grateful... Just be grateful if you don't have to deal with British Telecom. They're entirely incompetent!! Each day I go home hoping they haven't 'accidentally' cut my service...AGAIN! | |
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Stony Plain, AB | Re: Just be grateful...
(peak times im 750 - 1.2 mbit up & 300+ kbit down)
i run 2 pc's on a cheap hub and have never been bugged about
uploads & downloads(my 12 yr old is a P2P freak). I've had
cable for 3 yrs and its always been about the same. am i just lucky?. i'll stick w/cable | |
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join:2002-11-05
la14yw | asynchronous or asymetrical? From the ISP planet article by Patricia Fusco:-
"First, let's review the nomenclature for asynchronous digital subscriber line standards. "Study Group 15," a task force within the International Telecommunication Union (ITU), is responsible for developing ADSL standards. The group has categorized projects under various designations, such as G.dmt, G.lite, G.voice, and G.bond. "
So when did the A in ADSL stand for asynchronous?
It should be asymmetrical surely?
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slotman33Premium
join:2002-09-18
Phenix City, AL | DSL on long copper loops Just for the record, I have Bellsouth DSL at my house. I'm over 19.5Kft of circuit from their CO. (Probably more like 20K)
I get consistently at *least* 520kbps down, 256kbps up.
The highest I get is 716kbps sync down, 256kbps up (upload speed limit of provider).
If the phone company tells you that DSL doesnt work past 15Kft then they're full of shit.
If you work them hard enough and get to know some of the people in the CO/sales office you can usually get a connection if you're less than 22Kft. 22kft is about the maximum distance of ADSL (without a repeater). | |
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| | | Re: DSL on long copper loops The equipment that is used to bring you DSL gets better all of the time as does the line quality. What was true in DSL distance requirements in the past is not true today. | |
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| rchandraStargate Universe fanPremium
join:2000-11-09
14225-2105 | Equipment performance/quality improvements notwithstanding, the reason they operate this way is all a numbers game. They've found that beyond distance X, the number of signal quality-related support calls (and therefore the cost of serving these circuits) is beyond their profit margin tolerance. Ergo, while loops out to 22k might work, in their Infinite Wisdom (TM) they've decided to cut their losses and declare 15k to be their limit. 12k used to be the limit here, but they're now willing to service up to 15k. Go figure. Maybe they're (Verizon) getting better at what they're doing.
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| | Voice limits distance I work for an independent telco and deploy ADSL daily.
The biggest distance problem with ADSL is not the data,
its voice. For the phone line to carry voice for more
than about 18k, we must install load coils, which are
inductors that cancel out the capacitance of the
line. They pass voice great but kill DSL. ADSL is only
a winner for telcos if they can use the same pair for
both voice and data.
Where our company has extra copper pairs available,
we will run a second pair to the home for DSL and
unload it. We have had reliable ADSL doing this out
to 30 kft. | |
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 KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
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| Wow! Faster! More data throughput! That way ... You can hit your monthly cap even faster then before!!! Woohoo!
You can feel the joy of knowing your speed is capped at a level that is 1/20th of what you could really get! Yeah! Feel the joy.
Basically: Stronger, Faster, Smarter, makes no difference when the big corporate morons management want to hold you back and restrain you so they can get as much money out of everyone they can.
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| Spike401Fox Powered
join:2002-04-27
Labrador | Re: Wow! Faster! More data throughput! That way ..
What good is this new technology when broadband is already going to the shithole. Monthly caps, port blocks, high prices, missing freedom, and total disatisfaction.
This 'trapped' feeling isnt even the meaning of broadband.
Same goes with DOCSIS2, higher cable performance, but for what?
Its all useless technology.
Until ISP's can become profitable and get rid of these restrictions and give freedom back to their users, then that will be the day this new technology will be useful.
Before then, it needs to be thrown out.
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