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|  AkumalDaveLife's A BeachPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-20
Minneapolis, MN | Re: A Good Deal Well, you don't mention what bandwidth your friend was promised or is receiving but, on the surface, it certainly sounds like a good deal.
Welcome to the BBR forums, by the way!
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| | | I just inquired also, awaiting a response. If there are no contracts, then what have you got to lose, except down time.
DTV is " suggesting" current DSL customers stay on and connect with "DirectSwitch 1500/128" package at $59.95 per month.
It includes:
1500/128 ADSL circuit
1 static IP
5 email addresses
Unlimited dial-up backup
Rapid offers the following:
Residential Service
(Verizon Territories) *
Bronze Plus
768Kbps / 128Kbps
$39.95 / Month
DSL Pro
1.5Mbps / 128Kbps $49.99 / Month
Gamer
1.5Mbps / 384Kbps $59.00 / Month
DS Zilla
7.1Mbps / 768Kbps $149.00 / Month
Residential Service
(Bellsouth Territories) **
Best Effort
1.5Mbps / 256Kbps
Key West to West Palm Beach
$49.99 / Month
$60 Setup
1.5Mbps / 256Kbps
All other Bell South Areas (see map above) $59.99 / Month
$60 Setup | |
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| | Speakeasy aren't the only hot swap pioneers Bway.net
local nyc isp can do the same swap
no PPPoE
static IP | |
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| | | Re: Speakeasy aren't the only hot swap pioneers I considered them at one time but found their prices were a bit steep for this average resident. | |
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| | | | Re: Speakeasy aren't the only hot swap pioneers true their prices are a bit higher, but typically you get what you pay for.
higher price = more reliable/stable connection with good support. that's been the general report from speakeasy users....wish I could get it! | |
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Isn't this the problem...Ask people that had Flashcom, Telocity, DirectTV, ....now want another cheap national number grabbing, over subscribed backhaul to go out of business connection.
If people haven't caught on...free hardware, free first month, free everything means they won't be in business long.
Not a lot of ISP's doing no PPPoE software plus static IP these days like small customer service oriented ISP's.
The choices now are becoming the Bells or the Cables and that is it! This should not happen. Support your local ISP's if you can. | |
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| | | | | Re: Speakeasy aren't the only hot swap pioneers My local ISP (IQuest) drove me to DirecTV when they backed out of their promise of a free modem and wanted to charge me for one AND take away my static IP. That is why DirecTV was ideal. Static IP, DNS service, great tech support, a 768/128 connection, add your own hub/switch/router, no "garbage" just clean internet, and more--where else can I get all of that for $49.99/mo.? Now, there is NO WHERE. I'm not going back to my local good-for-nothing ISP. Once bitten, twice shy. | |
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| | | covad.net 49.95/mo for the same service level, $99 equipment fee with rebate = free (rebate expires 12/31/02).
They're hot-swapping me on Dec. 23rd 
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| | | | Re: Speakeasy aren't the only hot swap pioneers > covad.net 49.95/mo for the same service level, $99
> equipment fee with rebate = free (rebate expires
> 12/31/02).
> They're hot-swapping me on Dec. 23rd
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join:2002-03-07
Boston, MA |  I like Covad
Covad doesn't charge extra for networking, and when I got a Efficient Networks 2 port router ($44 at Circuit City) I got rid of the PPPoE software and everything seemed even faster. | |
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| | | | Re: I like Covad But when I looked at Covad's site, it says you will be served by PPPoE. How can you get rid of it.? BTW, because of these stupid one year contract terms and Cyberonic is not available in my area, it looks like the 328/128 slow option is the only one I can take until Charter gets its upgrade completed in my area. | |
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join:2002-03-07
Boston, MA | Re: I like Covad Here's how to get rid of PPPoE from your computer:
Buy a router that supports PPPoE directly, even if you don't want to hook up any other computers. The Siemens/Efficient Networks units work really well with the Siemens/Efficient DSL modems that Covad ships.
All you do is plug it in, go to a specific IP address that corresponds to the router's settings page, enter your username and password just once, check the PPPoE box and everything else default, and you don't need any special software or settings on the computer. I've tried Windows NT, ME, and now also XP, works just great. And now the routers are even less, saw the 2 port model for $39.95 at Circuit City. Well worth it IMO. | |
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AkumalDaveLife's A BeachPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-20
Minneapolis, MN | Good report, Karl Nice summation of the events and resultant conversations/issues!
I really do feel the pain of abandoned DirecTV DSL customers (and have the scars of Northpoint & Metricom / Ricochet to prove it). I just hope the migration mechanism has improved in recent months (as your article alludes).
One wonders what goes on in the Corporate Mind that justifies the ill will generated by cutting off 170,000 (presumably) paying customers. One also has to wonder if the DSL unit wasn't worth something to someone (why not sell instead of abandon?). Oh well, it's spilt milk at this point.
Good luck to the refugees and to independent ISP's and CLEC's everywhere.
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| |  There is no such thing as Hot Swap
-gary | |
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| | | Re: There is no such thing as Hot Swap Well I just received this:
Dear DIRECTV DSL customer,
Per your request, we have terminated your service.
You will not be charged a cancellation fee of any kind. If you already
received the DIRECTV DSL gateway or if you receive it soon, you do not
need to return it.
We apologize for any inconvenience this has caused you. We suggest that
you look for an alternate DSL provider. If you are a DIRECTV subscriber,
your satellite television service will not be disrupted in any way. | |
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| | | | Re: There is no such thing as Hot Swap quote:
If you already
received the DIRECTV DSL gateway or if you receive it soon, you do not
need to return it.
Free DSL modems!! This means that you can put them up on Ebay? | |
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| | | AkumalDaveLife's A BeachPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-20
Minneapolis, MN | Re: There is no such thing as Hot Swap said by fifty nine:
Free DSL modems!! This means that you can put them up on Ebay?
Yeah, but have you ever seen one of those monsters? Doubt there would be much market or reuse for them.
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| | | Well, I have no termination request in with DirecTV DSL (haven't even talked to them, emailed them...nothing).
So explain this:
We are pleased to inform you that we have confirmed DSL service availability at your address. Your line is scheduled to be prepared for DSL service on December 23, 2002. There is no need for you to be home on this date.
A DSL Installation Kit will be shipped to your address within 24-48 hours. Once you receive the DSL Installation Kit, you will be ready to complete the installation by following the easy-to-use instructions in your DSL Installation Kit.
We encourage you to use the SMART Account Manager at www.covad.net to track the status of your order. Simply log into SMART, using the user ID and password you selected at the time you ordered service, and click on the 'Order Status' link.
This message applies to the following order:
Client:
Covad Order Number:
Installation Address:
Installation Phone No.: 415-XXX-XXXX
Thank you for choosing Covad.
Covad Customer Care | |
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| | | | Re: There is no such thing as Hot Swap Check out CovadDSL.com. It's such a user-friendly site! Covad.net is a fine management tool. They're a good DSL brand and provide great service! | |
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Check out CovadDSL.com. It's such a user-friendly site! Covad.net is a fine management tool. They're a good DSL brand and provide great service!
How about this kind of checking it out?
»DirecTV Customers Flee Digital Oblivion | |
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»DirecTV DSL | |
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jamesd0
join:2001-09-13
Carol Stream, IL | oh please I hope this time in the migration they will have update info for the customers instead of leaving them in darkness. | |
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KatOakVIP
join:2001-09-10
Seattle, WA | Speakeasy Switch FAQ Hello!
I provide support in the Speakeasy forum here & thought I'd post with more information.
Our FAQ is located here.
We can perform hotswaps in the Central Office.
You can email me directly with any questions you have -- or post them in the forum.
Kat Oak
Speakeasy
kat@speakeasy.net | |
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| | | Re: Speakeasy Switch FAQ I Was going to commit to a 3 Or 4 year contract to get a better deal and you know what speakeasy said we don’t care our packages our it no room for change. Bad company policy if you ask me what do you think? | |
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| | | | Re: Speakeasy Switch FAQ Oh and by the way have a safe and Merry Christmas! to all | |
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 dslextremePremium,VIP
join:2001-02-23
Canoga Park, CA | Speakeasy may be stretching the truth There is no such process for clients using Pac Bell. Here is a QUOTE from SBC Pacific Bell: names have been deleted.
"The ISP change process was supposed to be implemented 1Q 2003 but with all the programming issues it looks like summer of 2003. This was to be a mechanized process. That leaves a manual process that is supposed to cut the customer downtime to 4 -5 business days...not exactly a hot cut! (name witheld) is joining the lawyers on some calls to see if she can release the manual process documents to us. This is supposed to happen within a couple of days. In the meantime, DirecTV customers are being referred back to DirecTV site for updates. As soon as I hear anything new I'll let you know. I will let you know as I find out more information." | |
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Ninersfan!!!I don't know about you but I'm swelled up at the thought of switching!Whats your opinion on a new ISP?Checked out Covads site but seems like they all say about the same thing.Think it's for real about directvinternet?
Does this look for real?
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| |  SqueeksDadI Miss HerPremium
join:2002-09-14
Hyattsville, MD | Re: buzzsaw1 I got you beat on the timing... | |
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I got you beat on the timing...
maybe, but if you don't have your "DSL Installation Kit" in hand today, then in all likelihood your earliest will be same as mine 12/23 but your right about the progress indicator page anyway 
Have they shipped to you yet? Just wondering myself if I will get a tracking number and email confirmation when shipment has been made here myself (should be today if I'm going be live on the 23rd anyway).
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| | Bluegrass.net signed up today! cutover by the end of the month.
if you live in the louisville, ky area, bluegrass.net has a good deal
49.95 per month
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Not to nitpick, but I believe the article's reference to a "December 16 email" is inaccurate. Nobody in the forum reported an email sent to them much before about 6:30 PM PST December 17, and it appears that many, if not most, emails were not sent out until December 18. | |
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|  HarleyYacYacoPremium
join:2001-10-13
Allendale, NJ
kudos:2
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I just saw the commercial on DTV.
Lee
PS
I have OOL as a ISP
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| | | | Re: Minor detail Yeah, they still have it "this week anyway", wouldn't count on that either: »Hughes May Can DirecWay
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| | 768 SDSL@$49.00/mo -- no complaints here. I was a Telocity customer running on the Rhythms network. I got a deal on 768 SDSL with a static IP and ran my own domain out of my apartment--running my own webserver, ftp, email, SSH, VNC, filesharing networks, and everything else I could think of. When Telocity and Rhythms went out of business I was really worried that I'd be limited to a PPOE connection with a lousy 128kbps upload through DirecTVDSL. Fortunately they picked up my circuit and I kept my awesome deal. I never had any outages beyond one 2 hour stint and so I never had to deal with what everyone says is lousy support. So I have no complaints with DTVDSL and I know I won't find as good of a deal anywhere else. But does anyone know of a comparable deal out there? Speakeasy looks like my best option (static IP is a must) but I'm still going to have to pay almost $90 to keep a respectable 768Kbps upload speed. Anyone know of anything better available in the midwest? | |
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| | | Re: 768 SDSL@$49.00/mo -- no complaints here. LOL
Your class of service at that price has consistently been the kiss of death for anyone who provisioned it.
Let's see; NPT, Rhythms. Thank goodness you were a legacy customer for Covad.
You were a very lucky guy to fall through the cracks at DirectTV.
But honestly, you were probably costing them more than you paid for that service (Talking about usage potential. No I don't know you or your usage habits. You have to admit, that type of usage potential was there) | |
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| | No migration is planed A little bird told me that there is no migration plan. They've just hope that all customer will switch by themselves.
Good luck guys. | |
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| | | Re: No migration is planed said by patskoo:
A little bird told me that there is no migration plan. They've just hope that all customer will switch by themselves.
Good luck guys.
So is this coming from "corporate"? You seem to have inside information here....comeon, spill the beans
Doesn't matter to me, I'm already pending a "hot-swap" from covad on 12/23...No need to even cancel as apparently DTV has granted Covad a blanket authorization to do the switch.
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| | | | Re: No migration is planed It just a little bird that flew by I couldn't get any more information out of it. That's all I got. They've just put up a plan but they've already lay off more than half of their employees. So, who will do the implementation? None. All the people who is still with the company is enough to help them close down the service not migrate customer. 160000 on 4 or 5 different ILEC. | |
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.......particularly those who have the most to lose from the continued success of the baby bells. According to Dane Jasper, President of both the California ISP Association and DSL provider Sonic.net.....
First, if it wasn't for the baby bells, you would not be in business. The bell system built the infrastructure needed to allow communication between cities and countries, it connected the world. They continue to maintain the infrastructure, at a great expense.
CLEC's hurt not only the bell's but everyone, including you. Regardless of who you pay for services, you are still connected through your ILEC, you are on their cable, their switch, their poles, their fiber, you are serviced by their technicians, with their equipment. When was the last time you saw a technician from a CLEC come out to your house or business and install a circuit for you? More so, when was the last ime a CLEC technician went on a cll out at 3AM in 20 below weather to restore service on a cable cut? You will never see a CLEC technician, CLEC's don't have any technicians, they simply purchase circuits and dialtone from the Bell's at a discount and resell the services to the end user. CLEC's are nothing more than a billing agent. They are only there because some uneducated legislators thought they knew everything about communications and decided to give the Bell's competition. Real competition is where someone would hire their own techs, put their own cable in the ground, build their own C.O.'s and provide the same services that the Bell's do to their customers. Not this type of regulatory competition where regulatory commissions, made up of people who's knowledge of daltone is nothing more than picking up the phone and hearing dialtone, make decisions that require ILEC's to give huge discounts to CLEC's, some upwards of 75%, and require ILEC's to provide services for these CLEC leeches over their infrastructure, while loosing money.
One day when an ILEC has had enough, and are no longer a profitable business, they will shut dialtone down. It will only take a small ILEC to do this, at that point, there will be an awakening and people will realize the importance of supporting the ILEC's.
The bottom line is, you only have dialtone and digital data services because the bell's are here, if no one supported them, you would not have the services that they maintain, you would have no communication other than mail and word of mouth, you would have nothing and technology would mean nothing.
Look around you, you pick up the phone and call someone, you have a pager, a cell phone (yes, cell towers are connected through data circuits provided by your ILEC, without them, you would not be able to use your cell phone), a DSL circuit, the internet .... all of these made possible and brought to you everyday of the year and maintained by your local ILEC, 24/7/365 .... regardless of who bills you for the service (CLEC) .... where would you be without the Bells?
Support the Bell's ...... without them .... you would not have telecommunications ..... there is no one else who could fill their place in 100 years or more .....
For those new to this, here are a few definitions:
ILEC => Incumbent Local Exchange Carrier, the people who actually provide you with your telecommunication services. The Baby Bell which owns and maintains the telecommunication infrastructure in you local area.
CLEC => Competitive Local Exchange Carrier, a company who leeches off the ILEC, they are allowed by government regulations to purchase services offered by the ILEC's at a discount which is determined by the government's regulators. There are small CLEC's and large CLEC's, most stay in business off the fines which ILEC's are required to pay to them for various service related issues. They do not maintain your dialtone, they only markup and resell the dialtone they purchased from the ILEC. The ILEC's maintain the dialtone they sell to the CLEC. | |
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| | CLECS keep the Bells honest "First, if it wasn't for the baby bells, you would not be in business. The bell system built the infrastructure needed to allow communication between cities and countries, it connected the world. They continue to maintain the infrastructure, at a great expense."
First of all, the Bell system was a monopoly that built their systems gradually over a hundred years, and for a long time, that system sucked. We funded the build through our tax dollars (subsidies and money spent by the government directly to build it) and forced uptake of their service (monopoly). Now that we build the infrastructure, we should be able to use it (meaning CLEC's). Now the Bells bitch after the legislation they pushed to pass (the telco act of 1996) b/c they realize that they are losing too many local customers to replace with long distance services, especially now with free long distance offered on most cell plans. Basically, they got what they asked for but now they are crying b/c their business plans failed to predict the low profitablity of long distance couple with the large loss of customers to CLEC's. I know the last poster works for one of the Bells and seems proud to do it, but that person needs to get real and get their head out of the Bell jargon they push to their employees. Customersm have never had it so good. Whether it long distance, DSL, local phone services, things are cheaper and more reliable now than ever. To say that this is not a direct result of competition is foolhardy. If the Bells fail I sm sure there would be plenty of investors willing to take on their taxpayer paid for infrastructure and use it themselves. Capitalism, you have to love it.
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MERRY CHRISTMAS FROM DTVBB
Ned Hayes
10355 North De Anza BLVD.
Cupertino, CA 95014
408 863 6600
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(if your line will support it) via Cyberonics.
We are attempting to get at least 50 or 100 users to sign-up as a group in order to either get the usual setup fee of $99 cut in half or waived entirely.
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twid
join:2001-03-21
Santa Clara, CA | My thoughts on picking a replacement I'm another DirecTV refugee. I just signed up today with Cyberonic. Here's what I looked at.
PacBell (SBC) - The prices are cheap, but for me the Acceptable Use Police is ridiculous. Basically, you are agreeing to do nothing with your connection but surf the web. That's not what I wanted.
Here is the AUP if you're curious: http://support.sbcglobal.net/legal/aup.shtml
Speakeasy - A little more expensive ($99 for the worldcom line), but everyone says good things. Unfortunately, we're not sure when we might be moving and Speakeasy requires a 12-month contract. Also, their web site is TERRIBLE. You have to go through prequal to see their options, and then comparing the options requires clicking, going back, clicking, going back. Hint to speakeasy: a good DSL tech doesn't make a good web designer.
DSLi - Um, no. Never. Not after all the stuff on them here recently. 8-)
BritSys - They wanted a 12-month contract too.
Cyberonic - They offered a no-contract line for $99 up front and $49.00 a month for a worldcom 1500/768 line. No equipment fee. The guy on the phone picked up within four rings, took my info, and got me the contract quickly.
So, I'm still a little iffy about the stability of the little guys, but I'm month to month so if service stinks I can switch. Honestly, I would have signed up with speakeasy and paid a little more if they offered month-to-month contracts, but I don't want to be stuck with a $300 cancellation fee if we move out-of-state, which we're considering. | |
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